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Hail Team Help Needed

Jolteon*

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    • I'm trying to get into competitive battling. I rng'd a bunch of pokes so i might as well use 'em. This is a fifth gen double battles team. I need suggestions for slot 5 & 6, and also I need item suggestions for the first four in case I do battle subway.

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    Abomasnow@Leftovers
    Calm Nature
    252 HP, 172 Defense, 84 Sp Def
    Snow Warning
    Substitute, Protect, Blizzard, and Leech Seed
    Strategy: I send this guy out to set up hail. I use substitute first, and if it looks like it's in real danger I use protect, then substitute, etc. When it's not under attack, I use leech seed on whatever the potential threat is. Then I use blizžard to beast with damage.

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    Glaceon@Choice Scarf
    Timid Nature
    252 Special Attack, 4 Special Defense, 252 Speed
    Snow Cloak
    Blizzard, HP Ground, Shadow Ball, Ice Beam
    Strategy: I send this guy out along side Abomasnow. I usually use blizzard, unless it's useless (as in they both resist it) because it hits both opponents hard. If it won't do much I either use Shadow Ball or Hidden Power wherever they work. Ice Beam is on there in case I switch out and switch back in so that it can hit one opponent. Also if hail runs out it is better due to accuracy.

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    Walrein@Leftovers
    Bold Nature
    220 HP, 244 Defense, 46 Speed
    Ice Body
    Substitute, Protect, Roar, Toxic
    Strategy: Sub, Protect, fully healed, sub, protect, fully healed, etc. opponents dead. I use toxic in case they are impervious to hail. I also use roar in case they are gonna beast or I want to force entry hazards upon them.

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    Forretress@Leftovers (again)
    Relaxed Nature (0 Speed IV)
    252 HP, 176 Defense, 80 Special Defense
    Sturdy
    Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Rapid Spin, Gyro Ball
    Strategy: Set up Toxic Spikes and spikes. Rapid Spin Hazards. Use Gyro Ball to deal damage.
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    Please help out.
     

    sanshroo

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    • Don't run ice beam. If you suspect a sunny day or sandstorm team then switch out Abomasnow and throw him back in after you've dealt with the opponent's weather changer.

    Glaceon is kinda sketchy. Not the greatest IME. Cool that you gave it max speed though ;)

    Entry hazards might be a little too slow paced for double battles. Stall on double battles is also difficult. Walrien won't really work because the opponent will see it coming and have both their pokes target her.

    Always switch out Abomasnow if you encounter a tyranitar lead. Tyranitar will always win unless your opponent is completely inept. Abomasnow will get knocked down without a choice scarf. With 7 weaknesses on a double battle team you're guaranteed to get hit with supper effective moves. If you really want to do a sub seed (over rated) then at least hand him a focus band so you can throw down a blizzard or switch out when things go down hill. I advise running a special attack setup on Abomasnow with HP ground. His physical moves are good, but his blizzard is better. You could opt for a mixed attack setup, but then you are wasting good bulk from a detrimental nature.

    Kingdra is good for covering your fire weakness.

    Mamoswine is good for covering electric attacks.

    Your fortress will get magnezone trapped.

    Why is this even a double battle team? I don't really see anything special that works together.
     

    Jolteon*

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    • sanshroo said:
    Don't run ice beam. If you suspect a sunny day or sandstorm team then switch out Abomasnow and throw him back in after you've dealt with the opponent's weather changer.

    Glaceon is kinda sketchy. Not the greatest IME. Cool that you gave it max speed though ;)

    Entry hazards might be a little too slow paced for double battles. Stall on double battles is also difficult. Walrien won't really work because the opponent will see it coming and have both their pokes target her.

    Always switch out Abomasnow if you encounter a tyranitar lead. Tyranitar will always win unless your opponent is completely inept. Abomasnow will get knocked down without a choice scarf. With 7 weaknesses on a double battle team you're guaranteed to get hit with supper effective moves. If you really want to do a sub seed (over rated) then at least hand him a focus band so you can throw down a blizzard or switch out when things go down hill. I advise running a special attack setup on Abomasnow with HP ground. His physical moves are good, but his blizzard is better. You could opt for a mixed attack setup, but then you are wasting good bulk from a detrimental nature.

    Kingdra is good for covering your fire weakness.

    Mamoswine is good for covering electric attacks.

    Your fortress will get magnezone trapped.

    Why is this even a double battle team? I don't really see anything special that works together.
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    Changing to singles.....
    Ok, so what if I give abomasnow a focus sash, a quiet nature, and iv 0 (to make sure hail gets summoned). Then give it 252 HP, 4 Attack, 252 SpecialAttack. Blizzard, HP fire, Grass Knot, Ice Shard.

    Ill add Kingdra with Choice specs, Sniper, Modest, 252 SP attack, 252 SPeed, 4 hp, hydro pump, draco meteor, dragon pulse, and surf

    Mamoswine with focus sahs, adamant, 252 attack, 252 speed, and 4 defense, ice shard, endeacor, earthquake, and stealth rock.

    Ill give forretress shed shell so it can easily escape from magnezone.
    Thanks :D
     

    Musica

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    • Did you consider getting Kyurem as sweeper instead of Glaceon?

    Kyurem @ Leftovers
    Modest Nature
    56 HP (To let the substitute survive Seismic Toss/Night Shade) 236 SpA 216 Spe

    OR Timid Nature

    56HP 252 SpA 200 Spe

    ~Substitute
    ~Dragon Pulse / Draco Meteor if you want more power
    ~Blizzard (It's a Hail team soooooooo spam all the blizzards!!)
    ~Focus Blast for Steel/Fighting/Rock 'mons to counter you
     

    .Gamer

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    • I'm not a double expert (in fact I don't know anything) but maybe a bulky water type or something like Vaporeon / Milotic etc to absorb the fire attacks that will wipe you out?
     

    sanshroo

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    • .Gamer said:
    I'm not a double expert (in fact I don't know anything) but maybe a bulky water type or something like Vaporeon / Milotic etc to absorb the fire attacks that will wipe you out?
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    That's what kingdra is for. X4 resistance to fire is as good as it gets, especially with bulk like kingdra has.

    Jolteon* said:
    Changing to singles.....
    Ok, so what if I give abomasnow a focus sash, a quiet nature, and iv 0 (to make sure hail gets summoned). Then give it 252 HP, 4 Attack, 252 SpecialAttack. Blizzard, HP fire, Grass Knot, Ice Shard.

    Ill add Kingdra with Choice specs, Sniper, Modest, 252 SP attack, 252 SPeed, 4 hp, hydro pump, draco meteor, dragon pulse, and surf

    Mamoswine with focus sahs, adamant, 252 attack, 252 speed, and 4 defense, ice shard, endeacor, earthquake, and stealth rock.

    Ill give forretress shed shell so it can easily escape from magnezone.
    Thanks :D
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    Shed shell is good.

    Try this for abomasnow:

    Abomasnow @ Choice scarf
    Timid
    252 speed, 252 sp. attack, 6 HP
    -Shadow ball
    -Focus Blast
    -Blizzard
    -Energy ball

    Obviously you would always opt to use blizzard on this set. Even on neutral hits he'll wreck house. Alternatively:

    Abomasnow @ Choice scarf
    Jolly
    252 speed, 252 attack (31 speed)
    -Wood hammer
    -Earthquake
    -Outrage
    -Brick break/focus punch

    Max speed and a choice scarf allows abomasnow to outspeed and surprise un-scarfed infernape and other pokemons up to base 110 if I recall correctly.

    Mamoswine looks okay. Weird that you want stealth rock on him. It'd probably work though.

    Kingdra has good bulk and okay stalling potential. Consider using chesto-rest.
     

    PlatinumDude

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    • sanshroo said:
    That's what kingdra is for. X4 resistance to fire is as good as it gets, especially with bulk like kingdra has.


    Shed shell is good.

    Try this for abomasnow:

    Abomasnow @ Choice scarf
    Timid
    252 speed, 252 sp. attack, 6 HP
    -Shadow ball
    -Focus Blast
    -Blizzard
    -Energy ball

    Obviously you would always opt to use blizzard on this set. Even on neutral hits he'll wreck house. Alternatively:

    Abomasnow @ Choice scarf
    Jolly
    252 speed, 252 attack (31 speed)
    -Wood hammer
    -Earthquake
    -Outrage
    -Brick break/focus punch

    Max speed and a choice scarf allows abomasnow to outspeed and surprise un-scarfed infernape and other pokemons up to base 110 if I recall correctly.

    Mamoswine looks okay. Weird that you want stealth rock on him. It'd probably work though.

    Kingdra has good bulk and okay stalling potential. Consider using chesto-rest.
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    To be honest, Abomasnow is better going mixed if it's using Choice Scarf:
    -Blizzard
    -Wood Hammer/Seed Bomb
    -Hidden Power (Fire)
    -Earthquake
    Nature: Hasty
    EVs: 16 Atk/252 SAtk/240 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Ability: Snow Warning

    On the Specs set, Shadow Ball doesn't provide noteworthy coverage, while Focus Blast is prone to missing.

    On the Band set, Outrage is redundant with Abomasnow's Ice STAB.
     

    Saturated Hue

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    • Have you ever considered Specially Defensive Heatran? It has some actual firepower and remedies your team's general weakness to Fire-type moves. You also kinda lack a dedicated special wall. It can set up Stealth Rocks, so I'd probably recommend it over Forretress.

    Heatran @Leftovers
    Calm
    248 HP, 100 SDef, 160 Spd
    Lava Plume
    Stealth Rock
    Protect
    Toxic / Will-o-Wisp

    Also, if you decide to disregard the above suggestion and keep Forretress, I would trade in Toxic on Walrein for Blizzard, because it's kind of redundant to have both Toxic Spikes and Toxic on the team.

    Also, you should consider sticking Hail, as in the move Hail, to something on your team. If Abomasnow is dead, your opponent won't be as cautious as to not let their weather starter die, and you can catch them off guard.
     

    sanshroo

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    • PlatinumDude said:
    To be honest, Abomasnow is better going mixed if it's using Choice Scarf
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    Yeah, probably actually.
    EVs: 16 Atk/252 SAtk/240 Spe
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    Why the arbitrary 240 speed? Why 16 attack?

    Also, if you decide to disregard the above suggestion and keep Forretress, I would trade in Toxic on Walrein for Blizzard, because it's kind of redundant to have both Toxic Spikes and Toxic on the team.
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    It's not that redundant. Between flying pokemon, rapid spinners, and levitate pokemon I'm sure there'll be a chance when it comes in handy.

    Speaking of which... A ghost type might be useful to cover your fighting weakness and as a switch in when obvious rapid spinners get thrown out. Perhaps parahax froslass?
     

    PlatinumDude

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    • sanshroo said:
    Yeah, probably actually.

    Why the arbitrary 240 speed? Why 16 attack?


    It's not that redundant. Between flying pokemon, rapid spinners, and levitate pokemon I'm sure there'll be a chance when it comes in handy.

    Speaking of which... A ghost type might be useful to cover your fighting weakness and as a switch in when obvious rapid spinners get thrown out. Perhaps parahax froslass?
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    The 240 Speed EVs allow Abomasnow to outspeed Tornadus by 1 point (assuming the former has Choice Scarf)

    Still...I don't like using Dragon moves on Ice Pokemon unless that Pokemon's Kyurem.
     

    Jolteon*

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    • Musica said:
    Did you consider getting Kyurem as sweeper instead of Glaceon?

    Kyurem @ Leftovers
    Modest Nature
    56 HP (To let the substitute survive Seismic Toss/Night Shade) 236 SpA 216 Spe

    OR Timid Nature

    56HP 252 SpA 200 Spe

    ~Substitute
    ~Dragon Pulse / Draco Meteor if you want more power
    ~Blizzard (It's a Hail team soooooooo spam all the blizzards!!)
    ~Focus Blast for Steel/Fighting/Rock 'mons to counter you
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    I might consider this. I wasn't aware that this pokemon was not Uber. Thanks for the suggestion.

    sanshroo said:
    Shed shell is good.

    Try this for abomasnow:

    Abomasnow @ Choice scarf
    Timid
    252 speed, 252 sp. attack, 6 HP
    -Shadow ball
    -Focus Blast
    -Blizzard
    -Energy ball

    Obviously you would always opt to use blizzard on this set. Even on neutral hits he'll wreck house. Alternatively:

    Abomasnow @ Choice scarf
    Jolly
    252 speed, 252 attack (31 speed)
    -Wood hammer
    -Earthquake
    -Outrage
    -Brick break/focus punch

    Max speed and a choice scarf allows abomasnow to outspeed and surprise un-scarfed infernape and other pokemons up to base 110 if I recall correctly.
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    I'm going to try the one i did first.
    PlatinumDude said:
    To be honest, Abomasnow is better going mixed if it's using Choice Scarf:
    -Blizzard
    -Wood Hammer/Seed Bomb
    -Hidden Power (Fire)
    -Earthquake
    Nature: Hasty
    EVs: 16 Atk/252 SAtk/240 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Ability: Snow Warning

    On the Specs set, Shadow Ball doesn't provide noteworthy coverage, while Focus Blast is prone to missing.

    On the Band set, Outrage is redundant with Abomasnow's Ice STAB.
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    See above.
    Saturated Hue said:
    Have you ever considered Specially Defensive Heatran? It has some actual firepower and remedies your team's general weakness to Fire-type moves. You also kinda lack a dedicated special wall. It can set up Stealth Rocks, so I'd probably recommend it over Forretress.

    Heatran @Leftovers
    Calm
    248 HP, 100 SDef, 160 Spd
    Lava Plume
    Stealth Rock
    Protect
    Toxic / Will-o-Wisp

    Also, if you decide to disregard the above suggestion and keep Forretress, I would trade in Toxic on Walrein for Blizzard, because it's kind of redundant to have both Toxic Spikes and Toxic on the team.

    Also, you should consider sticking Hail, as in the move Hail, to something on your team. If Abomasnow is dead, your opponent won't be as cautious as to not let their weather starter die, and you can catch them off guard.
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    I might do this, but I don't know how to rng in diamond on a mac. I have PPRNG, but I don't know how it works. THerefore I can't do this with a usable pokemon.
     

    Musica

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    • You can trade for a Heatran to get one. :D Or do you just want to use your own pokemon for battles? A little "fire"power can help you a lot too since you don't have anything that resists fire. Heatran is your man (monster) to do the job. If you're not up for Heatran, Volcarona can do something good too, but it doesn't resist fire, just neutral damage.
     

    Jolteon*

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    • Musica said:
    You can trade for a Heatran to get one. :D Or do you just want to use your own pokemon for battles? A little "fire"power can help you a lot too since you don't have anything that resists fire. Heatran is your man (monster) to do the job. If you're not up for Heatran, Volcarona can do something good too, but it doesn't resist fire, just neutral damage.
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    Well, the kingdra double resists fire i think. Also, I do only like to use my own pokemon :D
     

    sent1mental

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    i didnt read your team but Forretress has to go
    starmie or tentacruel works as a better spinner because look at your team... 4 weak to fire aint gonna work
    Lati@s would make a good sub latios specs latias calm mind set
    and last pokemon something physical haxorous, dnight, terrikon would work well
     

    Lewny

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    Articuno sub-set is awesome in my opinion,

    Blizzard
    Sub
    Roost
    Toxic

    Good stall in hail and run a flash fire pokemon to take this obvious fire hits.
    Aswell as taking out forretress, gains nothing from Hail and gives you more fire weakness.

    Articuno sub-set is awesome in my opinion,

    Blizzard
    Sub
    Roost
    Toxic

    Good stall in hail and run a flash fire pokemon to take this obvious fire hits.
    Aswell as taking out forretress, gains nothing from Hail and gives you more fire weakness.
     
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