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Competitive Team Questions (and Incomplete Team Help)

PlatinumDude

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    • Live in Color said:
    I need help trying to find a good balanced team, I've got 3/6 planned that I'm working on currently. Right now I'm more concerned with finding a Stealth Rocker/Spiker and a Spinner as well as two walls.

    The 3/6 Pokemon I'm going to have so far are my sweepers.

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    Cobalion @ Leftovers/Life Orb
    Justified
    Jolly
    252 Atk, 252 Spe, 6 HP
    -Swords Dance
    -Close Combat
    -X-Scissor
    -Earthquake

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    Volcarona @ Leftovers
    Flame Body
    Bold
    240 HP, 216 Def, 52 Spe
    -Quiver Dance
    -Fiery Dance
    -Bug Buzz
    -Roost

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    Hydreigon @ Life Orb/Expert Belt
    Levitate
    Mild
    -Draco Meteor
    -Fire Blast
    -Super Power
    -Earthquake/Dark Pulse

    So, yeah I've got no walls really, Volcarona is somewhat but takes a bit of setting up, and can't rely on it for defense. I was thinking having a Jellicent and Skarmory combo, but that still leaves me with no Spinner.
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    Cobalion's role is better done by Terrakion because of the latter's superior Attack and offensive typing:
    -Swords Dance
    -Rock Polish
    -Stone Edge
    -Close Combat
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Air Balloon

    If you still want to use Cobalion, you'll have to play to its strengths, which are its high Speed and Defense, as well as a good support move pool:
    -Thunder Wave
    -Stealth Rock/Roar
    -Close Combat/Volt Switch
    -Hidden Power (Ice)
    Nature: Impish/Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/208 Def/48 Spe
    Item: Leftovers

    Jellicent has very good synergy with Volcarona; it switches in to the Water moves it's weak to:
    -Scald
    -Toxic/Will-o-Wisp
    -Recover
    -Taunt
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
    Item: Leftovers

    or
    -Scald/Surf
    -Shadow Ball/Ice Beam
    -Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
    -Recover
    Nature: Calm
    EVs: 252 HP/36 Def/220 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Water Absorb
     

    Live in Color

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    • Thanks PlatinumDude, I'm gonna stick with Cobalion for now as a sweeper just because I like him, I may end up getting Terakion eventually. I think Jellicent would be a good combo with Volcarona, but what about a Spinner? Or another wall to go along with Jelli?
     

    PlatinumDude

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    • Live in Color said:
    Thanks PlatinumDude, I'm gonna stick with Cobalion for now as a sweeper just because I like him, I may end up getting Terakion eventually. I think Jellicent would be a good combo with Volcarona, but what about a Spinner? Or another wall to go along with Jelli?
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    Donphan is a good Rapid Spinner to use because it can pose an offensive threat and support the team:
    -Stealth Rock
    -Rapid Spin
    -Earthquake
    -Ice Shard/Roar
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy

    or
    -Rapid Spin
    -Earthquake
    -Stone Edge/Head Smash/Fire Fang
    -Ice Shard/Stealth Rock
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy
     

    Ho-Oh

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    someduderic said:
    I have a question. How does one go about choosing an online team?
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    Generally it depends on the person. A common way is if you have a specific Pokemon that looks interesting you build a team around it, to cover the threats to that specific Pokemon, while still having enough Pokemon to be able to take out the major threats in the metagame. Others base it around a type of playstyle - for example if you want a stall team then in OU for example usually certain Pokemon appear a lot in those playstyles because they're the only ones that fit. Or rain - there's almost always Politoed thanks to its ability and so on, or others are dependent on the lesser used playstyles such and Trick Room or Baton Pass where certain Pokemon only have roles in the higher tiers to perform those specific roles. So really it depends on both knowing what the metagame is likely to throw at you and what type of team/Pokemon you want if that makes sense.
     

    Sira420

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    • evaluate all dragon team, please ^-^

    Look for gaps and weaknesses, it will have alot, since it is an all dragon team

    Alright well my first entrant is giratina! Yey
    Giratina @griseous orb
    Adament
    252 ev in atk 252 ev in speed

    Dragon tail
    Toxic
    Shadow force
    Its fly, but I've been thinking of switching fly for a fighting move (great type coverage)

    My goal is to use toxic and dragontail till all of opponets pokemon are poisoned and weakened. Once achieved I can hack away at hp using shadow force... Jst Giratina itself can probably defeat an ok team... BUT lets say it gets knockef out. It would probably be cause of a dragon type, an ice type, psychic, dark or ghost. So my next pokemon is out to counter those.

    Latios @ soul dew
    Modest
    252 ev spatk, 252 ev speed

    Psychic
    Dragonpulse
    Flamethrower
    Focus blast/ aura sphere

    Normally I would put calm mind somewhere on this latios but because Giratina already poisoned and injured the pokemon, it'll be overkill. Latios already has exceptionally good special attack. Well all of his moves defend Giratinas weakneses so that speaks for itself

    Finally the one and only terra shark!!

    Garchomp @yache berry
    Nauhty
    252 ev attack, 252 ev speed

    Dragon claw
    Earthquake
    Swordance
    Rockslide

    He only needs 1 swordance and he becomes unstopable... But he'll probably jst use earthquake in his 1st move to end the battle c[:

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    PlatinumDude

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    • Sira420 said:
    Look for gaps and weaknesses, it will have alot, since it is an all dragon team

    Alright well my first entrant is giratina! Yey
    Giratina @griseous orb
    Adament
    252 ev in atk 252 ev in speed

    Dragon tail
    Toxic
    Shadow force
    Its fly, but I've been thinking of switching fly for a fighting move (great type coverage)

    My goal is to use toxic and dragontail till all of opponets pokemon are poisoned and weakened. Once achieved I can hack away at hp using shadow force... Jst Giratina itself can probably defeat an ok team... BUT lets say it gets knockef out. It would probably be cause of a dragon type, an ice type, psychic, dark or ghost. So my next pokemon is out to counter those.

    Latios @ soul dew
    Modest
    252 ev spatk, 252 ev speed

    Psychic
    Dragonpulse
    Flamethrower
    Focus blast/ aura sphere

    Normally I would put calm mind somewhere on this latios but because Giratina already poisoned and injured the pokemon, it'll be overkill. Latios already has exceptionally good special attack. Well all of his moves defend Giratinas weakneses so that speaks for itself

    Finally the one and only terra shark!!

    Garchomp @yache berry
    Nauhty
    252 ev attack, 252 ev speed

    Dragon claw
    Earthquake
    Swordance
    Rockslide

    He only needs 1 swordance and he becomes unstopable... But he'll probably jst use earthquake in his 1st move to end the battle c[:

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    (c/p'd from the thread Wolflare closed; if this isn't allowed Wolflare, delete this)

    While Giratina is equipped with the Griseous Orb, you should focus on its Origin Forme's offensive capabilities, not the defensive capabilties that its Altered Forme can do better. Also, Shadow Force is a bit easy to play around, despite the fact that it hits past Protect:
    -Draco Meteor
    -Shadow Sneak
    -Dragon Tail/Dragon Claw
    -Hidden Power (Fire)/Earthquake/Will-o-Wisp
    Nature: Naughty/Lonely
    EVs: 248 Atk/252 SAtk/8 Spe
    Item: Griseous Orb

    Latios can't learn Flamethrower, Focus Blast and Aura Sphere. It also has better moves it should be using than just Psychic and Dragon Pulse:
    -Draco Meteor
    -Thunder/Grass Knot
    -Surf/Hidden Power (Fire)
    -Recover/Psyshock/Dragon Pulse
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Soul Dew

    Garchomp is better off with a Jolly nature to let it outspeed as many things as it can. Rock Slide doesn't provide enough power to KO threats. Replace it with Stone Edge for the higher power, despite the lower accuracy, or Fire Fang, to let it hit Ferrothorn, Scizor and Forretress, should you go against them.

    IMO, you seem like you need some hazard support. Dialga can provide that for you:
    -Stealth Rock
    -Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
    -Fire Blast
    -Roar/Dragon Tail/Thunder
    Nature: Modest/Quiet
    EVs: 252 HP/56 SAtk/200 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure

    In the future, it might be a better idea to research on what moves your Pokemon can possibly learn before making their sets.

    You have 2 slots left open in the team; you need 6 Pokemon for this team to be considered a full team. I'll let someone else figure out the last 2 slots.
     

    Sira420

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    • I'm not to big on looking for my moves and stratagies on smogon, I prefer to learn through trial and error c[:
    My latios had
    Calm mind
    Reflect
    Dragon pulse
    And psychic

    I haven't played pokemon in a while so I didn't know which moves latios could learn, wups my bad. I wanted to make latios more offensive to protect my adamant giratina. oh and with Giratina, you're right I should go with its origin form... I jst wanted extra speed to poison the apponent first. And shadow force was only to buy time for toxic. If you switch to a normal pokemon in the middrl of shadow force I'll jst use dragon tail again ^-^

    I was thinking about it and on terrakill I'm going to replace rockslide with firefang, so thanks ^-^

    And now I gotta work on getting me a Dialga :D
    But with different moves, (I'm not a big fan of stealth rocks)
    The other 2 slots are for rayquaza and lucario

    Rayquaza
    252 atk 252 speed

    Dragondance
    Dragonclaw
    I'm thinking of earthquake and maybe even flamethower umm idk

    Lucario
    Same atk and speed evs
    Drain punch
    Iron tail
    Swordance
    aura sphere/ extreme speed - which one is better?
    I know to many sweepers

    I probably need one other annoyer, apart from giratina a possibly a wall and a rapid spinner... So which pokemons do you think need to get off my team so I can add a milotic, a meganium or something around there
     
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    PokeTrade

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    • Aww man, I need a new battle plan!

    Lately, I have been doing online launcher battles. It hasn't gone to well...

    This is my team at the moment:

    Emboar
    Serperior
    Samurott
    Cinccino ( Or what ever it's called :P I forget because it's nick-named )
    Ditto
    Zoroark

    Half of this team was made by my friend. I decided to use the three main starters, but change Emboar to a Blaziken once i get one. Emboar is a terrible fire starter Pokemon. Ditto isn't the best one I would have picked and im starting to think my friend was intending me to have total doom. Zoroark is okay in some cases, sometimes using his illusion and getting un-noticed looking like my Emboar the whole match. I don't think it's a good team, and don't know what members to change, so i ask for your help. I don't think i wanna ask my friend for help again...
     

    PlatinumDude

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    • Sira420 said:
    I'm not to big on looking for my moves and stratagies on smogon, I prefer to learn through trial and error c[:
    My latios had
    Calm mind
    Reflect
    Dragon pulse
    And psychic

    I haven't played pokemon in a while so I didn't know which moves latios could learn, wups my bad. I wanted to make latios more offensive to protect my adamant giratina. oh and with Giratina, you're right I should go with its origin form... I jst wanted extra speed to poison the apponent first. And shadow force was only to buy time for toxic. If you switch to a normal pokemon in the middrl of shadow force I'll jst use dragon tail again ^-^

    I was thinking about it and on terrakill I'm going to replace rockslide with firefang, so thanks ^-^

    And now I gotta work on getting me a Dialga :D
    But with different moves, (I'm not a big fan of stealth rocks)
    The other 2 slots are for rayquaza and lucario

    Rayquaza
    252 atk 252 speed

    Dragondance
    Dragonclaw
    I'm thinking of earthquake and maybe even flamethower umm idk

    Lucario
    Same atk and speed evs
    Drain punch
    Iron tail
    Swordance
    aura sphere/ extreme speed - which one is better?
    I know to many sweepers

    I probably need one other annoyer, apart from giratina a possibly a wall and a rapid spinner... So which pokemons do you think need to get off my team so I can add a milotic, a meganium or something around there
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    Like I said before, Altered forme Giratina is better at using defensive sets than its Origin Forme. Both formes play differently; Altered Forme Giratina uses its huge 150 HP in conjunction with its 120 Defense and Special Defense to wall opponents, and possibly shuffle them around with Dragon Tail. Origin Forme Giratina (which is only accessible via Griseous Orb), is better off as an all-out attacker, due to the swapped offensive and defensive stats. Both formes have the same base Speed of 90.

    Your Latios looks like it had a defensive set. Latias (Latios' twin) can pull off defensive sets better because of its 130 Special Defense, further boosted by Soul Dew. As a general rule of thumb, use only offensive sets with Latios and defensive/support/tank sets with Latias.

    Dialga's best traits are its good defensive typing and high defenses. Its Speed isn't high enough to let it go hyper-offensive. And what are you talking about? Stealth Rock is one of the best support moves ever made. It damages all Pokemon, which Spikes and Toxic Spikes don't do, when they enter battle (even though the damage varies depending on what type the Pokemon is). Stealth Rock isn't very hard to get up either; it only takes 1 layer for Stealth Rock to do its job. Dialga has the defenses and typing to get Stealth Rock up easily. Said move also works well with Giratina's Dragon Tail, racking up extra damage on the Pokemon that switches into battle; Giratina's Ghost typing also ensures that opponents can't Rapid Spin away the rocks, since SR is an entry hazard.

    Rayquaza is rather versatile when it comes to offensive movesets; it can go physical, special or both:
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Overheat
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry

    or
    -Draco Meteor
    -Fire Blast/V-create
    -ExtremeSpeed
    -Outrage/Dragon Tail
    Nature: Hasty/Naive
    EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb

    or
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage
    -Draco Meteor
    -Fire Blast/Earthquake
    Nature: Mild/Rash
    EVs: 40 Atk/252 SAtk/216 Spe
    Item: Life Orb

    or
    -Swords Dance
    -Dragon Claw
    -ExtremeSpeed
    -V-create
    Nature: Jolly/Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb

    or
    -Outrage
    -V-create
    -Draco Meteor
    -Earthquake/ExtremeSpeed
    Nature: Hasty/Naive
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf

    or
    -Outrage
    -V-create
    -ExtremeSpeed
    -Earthquake
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band

    Lucario doesn't really do well in Ubers because of its somewhat average offenses and poor defenses compared to the resident Ubers there. Excadrill is your best bet in its place as a Rapid Spinner:
    -Earthquake
    -Rapid Spin
    -Swords Dance
    -Rock Slide/Iron Head/Substitute
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 176 HP/60 Atk/252 SDef/20 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Mold Breaker

    PokeTrade said:
    Lately, I have been doing online launcher battles. It hasn't gone to well...

    This is my team at the moment:

    Emboar
    Serperior
    Samurott
    Cinccino ( Or what ever it's called :P I forget because it's nick-named )
    Ditto
    Zoroark

    Half of this team was made by my friend. I decided to use the three main starters, but change Emboar to a Blaziken once i get one. Emboar is a terrible fire starter Pokemon. Ditto isn't the best one I would have picked and im starting to think my friend was intending me to have total doom. Zoroark is okay in some cases, sometimes using his illusion and getting un-noticed looking like my Emboar the whole match. I don't think it's a good team, and don't know what members to change, so i ask for your help. I don't think i wanna ask my friend for help again...
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    Emboar isn't that bad. While it has less Speed than Blaziken or Infernape, it hits rather hard with a Choice Band attached.

    You're right on Cinccino's name.

    Ditto isn't that bad of a Pokemon because of its Imposter ability copying the opponent as soon as it enters battle. I'll throw out some move sets for all your Pokemon:

    Serperior:
    -Coil
    -Leaf Blade
    -Aqua Tail
    -Return/Substitute
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Leftovers

    or
    -Substitute
    -Calm Mind
    -Giga Drain
    -Hidden Power (Fire/Rock)/Dragon Pulse
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers

    or
    -Glare
    -Giga Drain
    -Dragon Tail
    -Taunt
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers

    or
    -Reflect
    -Light Screen
    -Giga Drain
    -Taunt
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Light Clay

    Emboar:
    -Flare Blitz
    -Superpower
    -Wild Charge
    -Head Smash/Stone Edge
    Nature: Adamant (Choice Band)/Jolly (Choice Scarf)
    EVs: 128 HP/252 Atk/128 Spe (Choice Band) or 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe (Choice Scarf)
    Item: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf

    or
    -Fire Blast
    -Superpower
    -Hidden Power (Ice)
    -Grass Knot/Substitute
    Nature: Rash/Mild
    EVs: 128 HP/252 SAtk/128 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Leftovers

    Samurott:
    -Hydro Pump/Surf
    -Ice Beam
    -Grass Knot/Hidden Power (Grass)
    -Megahorn/Superpower/Taunt/Aqua Jet
    Nature: Naive/Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb

    or
    -Swords Dance
    -Waterfall
    -Aqua Jet
    -Megahorn
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry/Leftovers

    Cinccino:
    -Tail Slap
    -Bullet Seed
    -Rock Blast
    -U-turn
    Nature: Jolly/Adamant
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Choice Band
    Ability: Skill Link

    Ditto:
    -Transform
    Nature: Relaxed/Sassy
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef (Relaxed) or 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef (Sassy)
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Ability: Imposter

    Zoroark:
    -Dark Pulse/Night Daze
    -Flamethrower
    -Focus Blast
    -Trick/U-turn
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf

    or
    -Nasty Plot
    -Dark Pulse/Night Daze
    -Focus Blast
    -Flamethrower/Substitute
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Leftovers

    or
    -Dark Pulse/Night Daze
    -Flamethrower
    -Focus Blast
    -Sucker Punch
    Nature: Hasty/Naive
    EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb
     

    WolfMirage

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    qustion i want to make an online team and im thinking of useing my ingame team. please help reveiw and tell me if they will work for online play
    but this team setup is working wonders ingame

    balance: flygon
    defence and specail defence: magnezone
    speed and attack: arcanine and unfezant
    speed and specail attack: starmie
    attack and specail attack and speed: zoroark
     
    Satoshi Ookami

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    • WolfMirage said:
    qustion i want to make an online team and im thinking of useing my ingame team. please help reveiw and tell me if they will work for online play
    but this team setup is working wonders ingame

    balance: flygon
    defence and specail defence: magnezone
    speed and attack: arcanine and unfezant
    speed and specail attack: starmie
    attack and specail attack and speed: zoroark
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    Overlook looks nice but nothing can be said until you provide natures, movesets, and possibly IVs/EVs.
     

    WolfMirage

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    Competitive Team Help

    can i please get help on guide lines on how to chosse the right pokemon in order to make Competitive Team.
    so far heres what im thinking so far:

    kingler(with sheer force Ability)
    moves: crab hammer, superpower

    Genesect: thunder, bug buzz, gunk shot

    Arcanine: wild charge, fire blast, outrage
     
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    PlatinumDude

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    • WolfMirage said:
    can i please get help on guide lines on how to chosse the right pokemon in order to make Competitive Team.
    so far heres what im thinking so far:

    kingler(with sheer force Ability)
    moves: crab hammer, superpower

    Genesect: thunder, bug buzz, gunk shot

    Arcanine: wild charge, fire blast, outrage
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    Kingler lacks enough moves to take advantage of Sheer Force (i.e. moves that have a chance to occur, such as Rock Slide, which has a 30% chance of flinching), so Hyper Cutter is the preferred ability:
    -Swords Dance
    -Agility
    -Crabhammer
    -Return/X-Scissor
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 48 HP/252 Atk/208 Spe
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Hyper Cutter

    or
    -Crabhammer
    -Double-Edge/Return
    -Superpower
    -X-Scissor
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Hyper Cutter

    But then again, Kingler isn't seen often in standard play due to having imbalanced stats; while it has high Attack and Defense, its Special stats and HP are low and its Speed is average. Try something else like Starmie. It can learn Rapid Spin to clear entry hazards:
    -Hydro Pump/Surf
    -Ice Beam
    -Thunderbolt
    -Rapid Spin/Recover
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
    Ability: Natural Cure

    Genesect has a wide special movepool to take advantage of. Gunk Shot has terrible coverage, so don't bother with it. It makes a good scout with Choice items:
    -U-turn
    -Ice Beam
    -Thunderbolt/Bug Buzz
    -Flamethrower/Bug Buzz
    Nature: Hasty/Naive
    EVs: 8 HP/248 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf

    or
    -U-turn
    -Ice Beam
    -Flamethrower
    -Thunderbolt/Bug Buzz
    Nature: Hasty/Naive
    EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Expert Belt/Focus Sash

    or
    -Bug Buzz
    -U-turn
    -Ice Beam
    -Thunderbolt
    Nature: Naive/Hasty
    EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Specs

    or
    -Rock Polish
    -Ice Beam
    -Flamethrower
    -Thunderbolt/Bug Buzz
    Nature: Timid/Modest
    EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb

    or
    -U-turn
    -Iron Head
    -Flamethrower/Zen Headbutt
    -Explosion/Ice Beam
    Nature: Naughty/Lonely
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band

    Arcanine should generally focus on physical attacks, since its physical movepool is decent:
    -Flare Blitz
    -ExtremeSpeed
    -Wild Charge/Crunch
    -Close Combat/Morning Sun
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 72 HP/252 Atk/8 SDef/176 Spe
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Intimidate/Flash Fire
     

    Murt93

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    • I posted my Team already I just need a few question's answered in order to make a few last minute changes
    my team is Infernape,Garchomp,Metagross,Latios,Swampert and Dusknoir
    The sets are pretty standard and the EV's too, the team is for SS
    Here are my questions:
    What is the speed of a hasty/naive jolly 192ev's infernape with 15-25 Iv's I know max is 176 but I think thats 31 IV's and 252 EV's The reason I ask is I can only give 31 IV's to it and if I find out the stat I can decide if I want to put it in attack or speed if its easier can some decide fr me I think speed is more important but I need it to kill the things its faster than
    Can anyone think of a better replacement for dusknoir provided its bulky and can deal at least enough damage a tank basically that doesn't add to many weaknesses and preferably is immune to something for an easy switch in :L

    sorry just found out the infernape stat its hasty with 15 Ivs is 159 and 25 Ivs is 165 so that really isnt fast enough 31 IV's is only 168 so instead of the spread of 252/64/192 should I make it 252/44/212 That gives it 130 sp.atk the moveset is
    Infernape@life orb (Hasty,Naive)
    Close combat
    Overheat
    U-turn
    Stone edge/mach punch

    212 EV'S gives it 170 speed but is 130 sp.atk enough for overheat to OHKO most steels namely bronzong and bulky grass types Venasaur/exeggutor? because anything that fire is neutral on I think close combat will do more damage provided its also neutral?

    so should I bump the speed EV's to 212 or is 168 fast enough and I'm worrying over nothing?
     
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    Bulbasaur vR

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    Gengar Moveset

    Gengar Moveset
    Hi guys im looking into a gengar but not totally sure what to do. im doing a 3rd gen gengar ATM so please keep that in mind.
    the current one i have is
    Bashful Nature
    EVs 252 Sp ATK/252 Hp/ 4 Sp DEF
    moveset
    Hypnosis
    Dreameater
    Curse
    Shawdow Ball

    All ideas are welcome would appreciate the help
     

    Sira420

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    • This moveset is a pretty good idea lol. It puts apponents to sleep, sets in curse, and restores/ damages the other pokemon. Pretty good except hypnosis got doen graded to 60% accuracy and gengars bleh defences c[x
    I would recomend a more sweeping assualt. His speed and special attack are no laughing matter. So give him a life orb to hold and a modest naturevand you got yourself a pokemin capable of seriously denting an apposing team.
    Gengar @life orb
    Shadowball
    Focus blast
    Pain split
    Substitue/thunderbolt
    With this set you'll go in substitude, this prevents you from deing the next turn and get a status like paralasis or burn. Now use pain split it will restore your health and bring your apponents down. Then either shadow ball or focus blast. Killing the other pokemon, now repeat. Pain split is used very handy with life orb and substitude and it works especially good with pojemon who have lots of hp. instead of substued you can use thunder bolt for more neutral coverage
     
    Zeffy

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    Sira420 said:
    This moveset is a pretty good idea lol. It puts apponents to sleep, sets in curse, and restores/ damages the other pokemon. Pretty good except hypnosis got doen graded to 60% accuracy and gengars bleh defences c[x
    I would recomend a more sweeping assualt. His speed and special attack are no laughing matter. So give him a life orb to hold and a modest naturevand you got yourself a pokemin capable of seriously denting an apposing team.
    Gengar @life orb
    Shadowball
    Focus blast
    Pain split
    Substitue/thunderbolt
    With this set you'll go in substitude, this prevents you from deing the next turn and get a status like paralasis or burn. Now use pain split it will restore your health and bring your apponents down. Then either shadow ball or focus blast. Killing the other pokemon, now repeat. Pain split is used very handy with life orb and substitude and it works especially good with pojemon who have lots of hp. instead of substued you can use thunder bolt for more neutral coverage
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    You totally disregarded the fact that the OP was asking for a 3rd Gen Gengar set. A much more fitting all-out attacker (in 3rd gen, that is) should look like this:

    Gengar @Leftovers
    Timid/Modest nature
    4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    ~ Thunderbolt
    ~ Ice Punch
    ~ Giga Drain
    ~ Fire Punch

    This would also work in-game perfectly. Unless you have R/S because Ice and Fire Punch are only available via move tutors in Emerald. You could replace both moves with Shadow Ball and Hypnosis if that is the case.
     
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