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NeoStar

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    • I was bored so I decided to fire up pokemon again i'm trying to build a team and I came up with the following:

    I'm running the sim in gen 5 btw.


    Smeargle @ BrightPowder Speed/Defense Iv's Jolly Nature:

    Spore
    Baton Pass
    Calm Mind
    Bulk Up

    Ampharos @ Quick Claw SP.attk/Speed Iv's Modest Nature

    Signal Beam
    Power Gem
    Light Screen
    Thunder Bolt

    Kingdra @ Leftovers Sp.Attk/Speed Iv's Modest Nature

    Surf
    Ice Beam
    Dragon Breath
    Signal Beam

    Houndoom @ BlackGlasses Sp.Attk/Speed Iv's Modest Nature

    Flamethrower
    Dark Pulse
    Thunder Fang
    Nasty Plot

    Wheezing @ BrightPowder HP/Defense Iv's Impish Nature

    Haze
    Sludge Bomb
    Toxic
    Pain Split


    Marowak @ Thickclub Attack/Defense Iv's Adamant Nature

    Earthquake
    Swords Dance
    Ancient Power
    HP Bug


    Let me knwo if you have any suggestions or want to rate it. I'll test it for a while and see how good it works since I can't get swtor to download till at least tommorow.



    And Before People say replace smeargle with blissey, I like my smeargle it'd probably be better to give him nasty plot/agility but I figured calm mind, bulk up would work too.
     

    XEL

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    • Seen Nov 20, 2022
    Giving us some EV spreads would help :)

    And if this is for competitive play, Brightpowder and Quick Claw are banned. BlackGlasses is simply outclassed by Life Orb, too.
     

    Sayan

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    • Ok firstly I think you mean EVs when you write IVs.

    Now, coming to point. There are some glaring problems with your team.

    1. The standard Nickwak set us no longer viable cause Ancientpower is now a special attack. Replace it with Rock Slide (it's not 100% accurate though, I know it sucks).

    2. Replace Kingdra's Dragonbreath with Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor. Also Signal Beam is too weak. A physical attacking Kingdra with Outrage is also viable.

    3. Replace Smeargle's Calm Mind with Quiver Dance which is universally better. You might wanna change bulk up with Gear Shift. Shell Smash passing Smeargle is also quite viable.

    4. Haze is now outclassed by Clear Smog.

    5. Your teams is quite lacking in type synergy. For example your team is quite weak to Earthquake after Weezing dies. Also, some common playstyles like weather, and bulky boosting sweepers walk all over this. The only way to solve this is substituting Pokemon. If you agree to do that, please reply and I'll suggest some substitutions.
     

    sent1mental

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    what Sayan suggested ^
    and Marowak isnt specially offesive
    if your planning to pass Marowak some stats it better in a sub, or you can pass it some speed though agility or shell smash
    Take off Hp ice and Ancient power
    Add thunderpunch and Double Edge
     

    Sayan

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    • Oh yeah, I didn't notice the Hidden Power on Marowak! Replace that and Ancientpower ASAP.

    And Smeargle should be holding a Focus Sash.
     

    NeoStar

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    • Good tips, I used most of them


    Yeah I meant evs instead of iv's i'm sorry about that.

    I'm sort of new to gen 5 so I didn't know ancient power was a special attack move now but how is HP bug not viable for marrowak? He can take out psychic,dark and one of his weaknesses grass types. With baton pass of attack/speed he's nearly invulnerable.


    One thing I noticed with your recommendations while testing my team on pokemon online is that sleep clause affects my team severely since smeargle can only get 1-2 stat increases off before he is forced to pass and when it's off he's far to op and can just spore everyone to death before passing to amph or marrowak and flattening pretty much anything.



    This is an example of sleep clause off
    Spoiler:



    Complete amph rape.




    And with it on
    Spoiler:

    Complete rape

    I've also noticed that roar/whirlwind own me as well.

    So is my team that "unbalanced" where it get's flattened on sleep clause and is far to overpowered without it?
     
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    Sayan

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    • All Hidden Powers are special now, regardless of type. HP Bug is also not viable. You can abuse recoilless Double Edge instead (use Rock Head 'Wak)
     

    PlatinumDude

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    • Smeargle may be better off with only one stat-up move, since it has a tough time getting both boosts up if it opts for two. It's also better off with Quiver Dance or Shift Gear as its boosting move of choice because Quiver Dance boosts Speed in addition to the user's Special stats, while Shift Gear also gives an Agility boost and a Howl boost at the same time.

    Use a Timid nature on Houndoom for more Speed. Don't use Thunder Fang in that case, since it runs off Houndoom's lowered physical Attack:
    -Nasty Plot
    -Dark Pulse
    -Fire Blast/Flamethrower
    -Taunt/Hidden Power (Grass)
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Flash Fire

    Ampharos' bulk is decent, so it can use a bulky attacker set. Quick Claw is frowned upon in competitive play, since it relies on luck:
    -Volt Switch
    -Focus Blast
    -Hidden Power (Grass/Ice)
    -Thunderbolt
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 208 HP/252 SAtk/48 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs
    Ability: Static
     

    Sayan

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    • Well, the Smeargle set might be able to utilize two boosting moves. It wouldn't need to use both, but having both lets it pass boosts to sweeper at both ends of the physical/special spectrum. That way it gets to have more possible boost recipients and is more unlikely to be rendered useless.

    However, if you want to forgo a set up move, it can be replaced by Substitute (to ease prediction), Foul Play (it uses the target's attack instead of Smeargle's pathetic attack).
     
    antemortem

    antemortem

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    • NeoStar said:
    Smeargle @ BrightPowder Speed/Defense Iv's Jolly Nature:

    Spore
    Baton Pass
    Calm Mind
    Bulk Up
    Click to expand...

    For one, Brightpowder is banned. For two, Calm Mind isn't necessary since you have Ampharos for Sp. Def 'coverage.' Since Smeargle has access to Nasty Plot, just give it that to optimize Spore's effectiveness. Bulk Up can also be replaced by Swords Dance to get straight to the point.
    NeoStar said:
    Ampharos @ Quick Claw SP.attk/Speed Iv's Modest Nature

    Signal Beam
    Power Gem
    Light Screen
    Thunder Bolt
    Click to expand...

    Why Power Gem? On Ampharos, since this is walled by Gliscor, give it HP Ice. It can also benefit from HP Fire for Ferrothorn and/or Scizor considering those are just as rampant as Gliscor and Kingdra already covers Gliscor, in a sense. Replace Quick Claw with Life Orb or Leftovers.

    Signal Beam is an all right coverage move, I guess.
    NeoStar said:
    Kingdra @ Leftovers Sp.Attk/Speed Iv's Modest Nature

    Surf
    Ice Beam
    Dragon Breath
    Signal Beam
    Click to expand...

    Instead of Dragonbreath, just give it Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor and replace Leftovers with either Choice Specs or Life Orb to maximize Sp. Atk power.

    Throw out Signal Beam and replace it with HP Fire for Ferrothorn/Scizor/Magnezone.
    NeoStar said:
    Houndoom @ BlackGlasses Sp.Attk/Speed Iv's Modest Nature

    Flamethrower
    Dark Pulse
    Thunder Fang
    Nasty Plot
    Click to expand...

    Get rid of Thunder Fang and add HP Grass for Gastrodon and Rotom-W. Replace glasses with Life Orb.
    NeoStar said:
    Wheezing @ BrightPowder HP/Defense Iv's Impish Nature

    Haze
    Sludge Bomb
    Toxic
    Pain Split
    Click to expand...

    Don't use Sludge Bomb + Toxic. Use Will-o-Wisp instead of Toxic for Scizor, Skarmory and Excadrill (in some places) Replace Powder with Leftovers.
    NeoStar said:
    Marowak @ Thickclub Attack/Defense Iv's Adamant Nature

    Earthquake
    Swords Dance
    Ancient Power
    HP Bug
    Click to expand...

    Not even sure what to do with this. Marowak is competitively unstable in the OU metagame.
     
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