JX Valentine
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Sweet. Tons of activity while I'm gone.
Yeah, I think this might be a good idea. While it'd be hilarious-awesome to do and definitely something people will actually want to read through just because it'd be so off-the-wall, we'll need to remember that the whole point of the rules thread is to drive home the rules. We could do the prose part and then, at the end, just put whatever we tried to say in spoiler tags.
Also, we could try to cover one concept/section of the rules per installment. For example, the chapter in which Astinus rolls out of bed and skips off to get her starter could also be laced with bits about the introduction to the rules and the very basic rules everyone just needs to follow. ("You can only get this license if you've read and understood all of PC Region's rules first." "Why do I need to know the rules of a completely separate region?" "You just do. Shut up, kid.")
I was actually thinking we could use your penchant for making lulzy legendaries here. XD
...This just planted the image of Astinus cosplaying Ahiru in my head.
Which is to say, YES, WE SHOULD DO THIS.
XD Oh, I'm just the person who smacks people over the head.
As for the round robin, I was thinking it'd help things out. We could plan out a basic plot that we should follow and have everyone write out bits that cover the rules we want to throw in. Then, someone assembles the stories and proofreads/edits, and it gets slapped up on the main forum as a sticky. That way, we don't overwork a single person and can get the most important part of the forums done in less than a year, with full feedback from its team of writers. Thus, it'll probably need to be in a separate thread once we get started so we can decide on what to put in, how to work out the story, and what the plot actually is.
What do you guys think?
Not to sound bitter, but would this be a good thing or a bad thing for a forum of writers? I mean, part of the reason why people were facepalming with how the FFL was going was because people kept forgetting that they were in the writing subforum and just talked about whatever they wanted (even if some of them had PC blogs, and the rest of us didn't really care about their off-topic notes). This, of course, led to the clique atmosphere because it was suddenly "OMG FAMILY" and "OMG INSIDE JOKES" and "OMG BOLD TOPIC I'M NOT GOING TO DISCUSS ANYONE ELSE'S ANSWERS UNLESS I'M ARGUING" with only the select regulars and not, "Oh hey, this is the casual, laid-back space where writers can exchange writing-related stuff 'cause this is a writing-based community and all."
That and we could easily just link to the DCC or get a usergroup going if we want an off-topic area where kids who frequent this forum can talk about absolutely anything they want (be it writing or otherwise). In fact, that's one thing I actually forgot about: the fact that it was proposedby me that we just migrate the insanity parts to a usergroup if we really wanted to keep it so that FF&W wouldn't feel like it was excluding anyone by having this massive thread full of off-topic inside jokes. Would you guys like this to happen? If so, who would like to start it up? (Keep in mind that we could always link to it somewhere, so it's not like it'll be this obscure corner of PC.)
Admittedly, yes. The community's improving now that there's more dialogue happening between writers and readers, and yeah, this is why we've got to kick ourselves into gear: to keep it at this point or, if possible, move it forward.
*bows*
Honestly, I got confused by that last page. As far as I could tell, this was what happened: txt volunteered to draw something for it, you volunteered to do the emblems (using his art?), Buoysel volunteered for a single emblem, and...
Screw this BS. You get all of them. Just as long as they get done. =|
(That entire period's going to be hilarious in hindsight. I can sense it.)
Amen to this. You can be sure it'll be added to the reviewing guide.
Interesting idea, especially since Asty's been planning to do that with the Revision Bin since forever.
Asty, what'll you'll need to have happen for that Revision Bin to be converted? Alternatively, we've got the Fanfiction Archive. Would it be a good idea to get rid of the Revision Bin altogether and simply move one-shots to the Archive after a month of inactivity? (What would we do with past FFOTMs? Allow people to comment on them from then on out? Lock them and throw up an index of where people can find them so they won't be completely drowned by one-shots? Or would it be better to just convert the Revision Bin after all?)
Someone poke Asty in here.
Also agreed here. Short, positive reviews (the kind that point out something specific about the story/what someone liked about it specifically) are definitely okay, but we definitely have to teach kids that it's not cool to just leave it at "lololo ur a good writer plz write more!!1" ...Which seems to be happening a lot lately.
Sure. That works.
Also, XD to the note about Google. Also very true.
This would be an interesting idea, especially since some people like to complain that no one's reviewing their work. On the other hand, would it be too much like the beta thread? I know it was brought up in the FFL before, and someone had that concern.
Sweet. I'll clarify that on the jobs list, then.
All of this sounds like a good idea, especially that third one. It could be included in a second post to separate the concept of the thread from what might be a longer train of thought.
What would go into that guide, though? Maybe a list and short explanations of commonly used genres? A list of suggestions for how to find inspiration and cook it into a potential plot (since that's also a popular question 'round these parts)?
Also, I read your answers to the other questions. They pretty much made sense to me, and for the reviewing guide especially, I'll add them in.
Meanwhile...
Very true. Would it be obnoxious, and do normal mods have the power to do this?
Seriously now, we will need to keep it on track while still making it "interesting"... Perhaps there could be some nice, fiction-y explanation of the concept and then out a cute little to-the-point "lesson summary" afterward? That way we can have our cool methods of teaching, but we can also make it so that people actually understand the lessons.
Yeah, I think this might be a good idea. While it'd be hilarious-awesome to do and definitely something people will actually want to read through just because it'd be so off-the-wall, we'll need to remember that the whole point of the rules thread is to drive home the rules. We could do the prose part and then, at the end, just put whatever we tried to say in spoiler tags.
Also, we could try to cover one concept/section of the rules per installment. For example, the chapter in which Astinus rolls out of bed and skips off to get her starter could also be laced with bits about the introduction to the rules and the very basic rules everyone just needs to follow. ("You can only get this license if you've read and understood all of PC Region's rules first." "Why do I need to know the rules of a completely separate region?" "You just do. Shut up, kid.")
Though I gotta admit, I don't think that my tangent-ridden brain is the best nominee for this. Sorry. D: However, I can spew up ideas, so whoever is tagged with that job can holler to me for it. Just saying.
I was actually thinking we could use your penchant for making lulzy legendaries here. XD
I also had a vague concept of a evil arch-overlord writer, something akin to Drosselmeyer from Princess Tutu, if anyone's seen that.
...This just planted the image of Astinus cosplaying Ahiru in my head.
Which is to say, YES, WE SHOULD DO THIS.
Pfft, I'm just suggesting ideas, a round-robin works too. These are your stickies after all.
XD Oh, I'm just the person who smacks people over the head.
As for the round robin, I was thinking it'd help things out. We could plan out a basic plot that we should follow and have everyone write out bits that cover the rules we want to throw in. Then, someone assembles the stories and proofreads/edits, and it gets slapped up on the main forum as a sticky. That way, we don't overwork a single person and can get the most important part of the forums done in less than a year, with full feedback from its team of writers. Thus, it'll probably need to be in a separate thread once we get started so we can decide on what to put in, how to work out the story, and what the plot actually is.
What do you guys think?
I think if we have a sort of "playground" thread for everyone to goof off in - entirely separate from the nice, writing-oriented new FFL - then we may be able to keep the "Community" part of "PokéCommunity". Of course, if newbies start getting intimidated, we can always mow it down again. Just a note.
Not to sound bitter, but would this be a good thing or a bad thing for a forum of writers? I mean, part of the reason why people were facepalming with how the FFL was going was because people kept forgetting that they were in the writing subforum and just talked about whatever they wanted (even if some of them had PC blogs, and the rest of us didn't really care about their off-topic notes). This, of course, led to the clique atmosphere because it was suddenly "OMG FAMILY" and "OMG INSIDE JOKES" and "OMG BOLD TOPIC I'M NOT GOING TO DISCUSS ANYONE ELSE'S ANSWERS UNLESS I'M ARGUING" with only the select regulars and not, "Oh hey, this is the casual, laid-back space where writers can exchange writing-related stuff 'cause this is a writing-based community and all."
That and we could easily just link to the DCC or get a usergroup going if we want an off-topic area where kids who frequent this forum can talk about absolutely anything they want (be it writing or otherwise). In fact, that's one thing I actually forgot about: the fact that it was proposed
Only that the community is just fine, but if we don't set some boundaries it won't be all that awesome for much longer.
Admittedly, yes. The community's improving now that there's more dialogue happening between writers and readers, and yeah, this is why we've got to kick ourselves into gear: to keep it at this point or, if possible, move it forward.
THIS.
This is beautiful.
*bows*
In other news, let me get this straight - are txt and I the entirety of the Emblem department, or have we picked up more people? Honestly, I think it's a one-man job, but... :/
Honestly, I got confused by that last page. As far as I could tell, this was what happened: txt volunteered to draw something for it, you volunteered to do the emblems (using his art?), Buoysel volunteered for a single emblem, and...
Screw this BS. You get all of them. Just as long as they get done. =|
(That entire period's going to be hilarious in hindsight. I can sense it.)
We definitely need to make sure newbies know to say not only good things about a story, but bad things. "I like it! Update soon!", is not useful other than being a very mild ego boost. Actually critiquing a story is helpful, even if it's small things like, "Good story, but your grammar could really use some work!"
Amen to this. You can be sure it'll be added to the reviewing guide.
Get a Completed Stories section. Seriously, I feel sorry for all those Oneshots that stay on the first page for a day or two and then disappear forever. We need a place to keep them all so readers don't have to dig for hours to find a completed story. Maybe we can turn the Revision Bin into this since that section isn't really used?
Interesting idea, especially since Asty's been planning to do that with the Revision Bin since forever.
Asty, what'll you'll need to have happen for that Revision Bin to be converted? Alternatively, we've got the Fanfiction Archive. Would it be a good idea to get rid of the Revision Bin altogether and simply move one-shots to the Archive after a month of inactivity? (What would we do with past FFOTMs? Allow people to comment on them from then on out? Lock them and throw up an index of where people can find them so they won't be completely drowned by one-shots? Or would it be better to just convert the Revision Bin after all?)
Someone poke Asty in here.
Well, I think they need to be taught that mindless fangirling is okay, provided it comes with a good few reasons why they are mindlessly fangirling.
Also agreed here. Short, positive reviews (the kind that point out something specific about the story/what someone liked about it specifically) are definitely okay, but we definitely have to teach kids that it's not cool to just leave it at "lololo ur a good writer plz write more!!1" ...Which seems to be happening a lot lately.
I don't think a test should be linked to IMO, but maybe a mention of such things if need be?
Sure. That works.
Also, XD to the note about Google. Also very true.
Not that we need it per-say (and IMO it may only be worthwhile after some more work is done first), but seeing using sppf ideas that work here is cool maybe a reviewers thread (as in, people post profiles to be a reviewer people can ask for reviews from after they are approved, etc? Kinda like the beta thread though and tbh this would be low importance-wise). *throwing around ideas*
This would be an interesting idea, especially since some people like to complain that no one's reviewing their work. On the other hand, would it be too much like the beta thread? I know it was brought up in the FFL before, and someone had that concern.
I think I'll manage,
Sweet. I'll clarify that on the jobs list, then.
- 1st post to tell people to post any ideas they may have
- Allow people to discuss ideas in any amount of detail (but the more the better)
- Maybe a short guide of things to consider with story ideas? E.g. how likely is such an idea to occur in the fic itself, how long will it be, etc? Hmm...
- No flaming, spam etc. =p
All of this sounds like a good idea, especially that third one. It could be included in a second post to separate the concept of the thread from what might be a longer train of thought.
What would go into that guide, though? Maybe a list and short explanations of commonly used genres? A list of suggestions for how to find inspiration and cook it into a potential plot (since that's also a popular question 'round these parts)?
Also, I read your answers to the other questions. They pretty much made sense to me, and for the reviewing guide especially, I'll add them in.
Meanwhile...
I recall a pop-up window appears for people when they get a PM - maybe something similar for first-timers to the forum? Hard to ignore that... hmm. *shrugs*
Very true. Would it be obnoxious, and do normal mods have the power to do this?