unneeded dig/10
Anyway, a few things
1. I linked there because it explained tiers? It would have been the same if i linked to smogon, which ill do now ive found the link.
http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_tiers Oh look it says the same thing as bulba, regardless most of that was pretty irrelevant. Its even more irrelevant because judging by your posts you didnt read what i was even responding to, which my point in a nutshell "there is no point in a tier above ubers because its a ban list and its pointless it being balanced". That was it and nothing more.
2. Ubers primary function IS a ban list. Just as BL is to UU. The only difference is BL doesnt have a metagame. Everything else is usage based. :/
3. Once again an unneeded dig. Regardless im pretty sure i know what im talking about considering, i dont know, ive been to #1 in basically every relevant tier on smogon this gen and last?
You obviously know nothing about it then. No its not just a ban list. If it were just a ban list then you could not use anything on that list. Learn to actually read what is in front of you instead of trying to correct other people when you cannot even post correct information.
Uber is its own Tier. It has nothing higher than it because it is an "Anything Goes" tier. It still has its own set of rules that must be followed just like every other tier. As the tiers go downward the rules get stricter.
The entire CONCEPT OF A TIER LIST IS TO BAN. The tiers themselves however are not just ban lists. They are their own entities of separate specified fields of play.
Your entire response is unneeded and full of misinformation.
So, take your three points which are as meaningless as your attempt to correct others and keep it to yourself. Ubers are their own tier whether you want to admit it. They are their own form of play. Its an open form of play and is NOT primarily a Ban List. If it is, then the primary function to every Tier is to be a Ban list as you cannot use Pokemon within upper tiers in lower tiers. Ubers themselves can move off of the Uber Tier just like any other Pokemon can move in and out of their own respective tier lists with proper usage.
And if memory serves, there were two Pokemon currently in the Uber lists that, for a time were Banned from even that tier for use.
One point on a Pokemon from the Yber list dropping: Wobbuffett. It has been Uber since Gen 3 and dropped to BL in Gen 5. If it were simply a Ban list why would a Pokemon that for 2 Generations be on the top list then suddently drop back down? It wasn't used nearly as much is one answer. Its still an OP nuisance. Its counters haven't changed all to much, there are a few extra ways to bypass its ability, but its still as capable as it has been since its days as an Uber.
With Fairy type, Garchomp may fall out of Uber. Its still an insane powerhouse that can sweep through a team, but it may not see as much use unless its Mega Form provides so much of a boost that its the main reason to keep Garchomp in Uber.
All the lists change. Uber is no exception to this and still falls under use because the ones in there are insanely strong. All Tiers also present a specific Power gauge. Which is why they are banned from competing below their set tiers. Pokemon in RU are considered to be more powerful and cause an unfair gap in NU teams, therefore they are banned from use in NU. And yes that is written in Smogon in each explanation of the tiers. Each tier on the way down is weaker than the one above.
This makes each tier its own separate entity. OU consists of everything below it, with the actual OU list being the top of what is considered to be OU Standards. UU is the very top of what is considered UU Standard. Everything in OU is considered too powerful to compete in UU and therefore they are banned from use in UU styled play.
THAT is what the tier list is. It itself is a Ban list to keep upper tiers from being used in the lower tiers, but the Tiers themselves are styles of gameplay used in the competitive metagame. Uber is a competitive style that is equivalent to a Battle Royal where no one is barred entry regardless of power. It is the strongest Tier and like all tiers it will cycle in and out. The Pokemon used in Uber are eventually going to fall from grace due to system or content shifts like the current changes.
Mawile has potential to make it all the way up to UU with her new found typing, Ability, Mega Form, and possible Move set change. Azumarill has the ability to make it into OU thanks to her type change alone seeing as she already has a powerful ability.
Charizard has a chance to move out of NU and up to UU in Drought teams, and Venusaur can move up from OU if the people that use him can find him a decent move set to go with his new found resistance to two of his weaknesses cutting the number of attacks to be used against him in half. Venusaur is already an OU Pokemon thanks to the B/W update to it and it still has potential to move further up.
If Blissey becomes a Fairy Type she can be moved into Uber as her only weaknesses are Steel and Poison, both of which aren't even close to common in Uber and she tanks everything in it. The only thing Blissey has to fear in Uber is Dialga, Genesect and Excadrill. Two of which she also resists the other half or is immune to. She's immune to almost all of the current Uber list. Blaziken is really the only thing not threatened by her as he resists her Fairy attacks but at the same time he only does normal damage to her.
Blissey most certainly isn't a Pokemon that should be "Banned" as she's just a giant wall used to stall. If she gains Fairy type like a majority of us anticipate I see her moving into Uber mostly because of how much use she is going to get. The more use you have the more chances are you'll end up in the top most tier. She'd also be considered too useful to have in OU. But that doesn't say that a Poison Type Pokemon from UU cannot kill her as fast as anything in an upper tier. That Pokemon in UU just isn't shown to be used as much or for as much as a Blissey. Blissey's potential is just greater even though she'd have more counters the further down the list she'd go.
So once more, The Tier List Concept is to establish an effective ban list to balance out the gameplay for specific sets of Pokemon. The actual Tiers themselves are by no means a Ban List. They are different styles of play reflecting the current meta usage of the generation. Pokemon in Uber today may be OU tomorrow. Pokemon in NU today may shoot to Uber tomorrow due to even a few changes.
Metagross is going to drop out of OU now that he has 2 Common Weaknesses added to him.
Bronzong may drop down to NU or even the newer Tier PU as his useage may dwindle down to practically nothing since his stats aren't as good as Metagross even though based on which ever ability it has it has 3 weaknesses compared to Metagross' 4.
Jirachi may or may not drop out of OU. Eventhough both Jirachi and Metagross have the same Base Stat Total of 600, Metagross isn't as evenly balanced as Jirachi is and Jirachi's Serene Grace is a much better ability to utilize offensively. With some Poison Type attacks or even Poison Type Pokemon making a potential move forward in usage, Jirachi is an appropriate counter to nullify a Poison Attack and then deal some heavy status damage to them. 60% Flinch from STAB'd Iron Head has its benefits that not being able to drop stats doesn't.
Even still it could pull a 180 on my prediction and the opposite happen in favor of Metagross' ability to nullify Stat reducing attacks.
The tier list is going to change this coming generation. What was in each individual tier has a chance to move to either an upper or lower Tier. This includes Ubers.
Can we please drop this whole unneeded argument about Ubers? Ubers, BL, BL2, and BL3 are all tiers whose main function is to act as a ban list for the tiers below them. Ubers is only a playable metagame because it has enough Pokemon to be one. There isn't going to be a tier above Ubers because Ubers is meant to be
"a 'free-for-all metagame with no restrictions on which Pokemon may participate." The only rules in Ubers are clauses, and even then, they have been trying to remove them as of late.
Just finished writing my post and your's wasn't there until I finished. Sorry. Still I have a lot of predictions for Fairy related Pokemon added in with support of what I was arguing. Is it ok if my post stays in regards to only keeping the discussion based on my thoughts on possible tier shifts?
