Moveset Help & Other Questions

Juxapose said:

Where does it say this? The rule clearly states that it does not stay active.

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Hello. Bulbapedia's description of Destiny Bond isn't as precise as you take it so. I took the liberty of replicating a similar scenario in your case--which something uses Destiny Bond first turn and the opponent using a move that wouldn't hit and then the opponent outspeeds and KOs on the second turn: the effect of Destiny Bond is retained until the user makes another move. Therefore, since the Gengar hadn't had the chance to move first before you KO'd it, Destiny Bond was still active.

Polar Spectrum said:

Welllll guys, the glory of this debacle is that it's completely objective not subjective, and can be tested to a very definitive answer in game. Why not just boot up your X/Y, / Showdown and test it out?

I'll do it right now. I actually have a gengar with destiny bond. I know where I can get that scenario too.

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None of my Pokemon have Destiny Bond. I'll have to train one to have it.

Polar Spectrum said:

Also - my quick and simple question, does anyone know a place to EV train for Defense in X/Y through horde battles other than route 10 where you get hordes of Nosepass? I have a mold breaker Sawk with earthquake which eliminates the obnoxious Sturdy, but the rate of finding Yanma there is still perturbing.

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A good place to go for Defense horde EV training in X/Y is Route 18; its all Geodudes and Durants there, both of which give Defense EVs. The only other Pokemon that appears in hordes there is Heatmor, but they're very rare. Just still bring your Mold Breaker Sawk along.

Salt&PepperDiner said:

A good place to go for Defense horde EV training in X/Y is Route 18; its all Geodudes and Durants there, both of which give Defense EVs. The only other Pokemon that appears in hordes there is Heatmor, but they're very rare. Just still bring your Mold Breaker Sawk along.

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Thank you - I tried this today and it was exactly the kind of solution I was looking for, many thanks.

PlatinumDude said:

You can't rely on Bulbapedia for everything, you know. While they do their best to post the correct and up-to-date info, they may get things wrong.

This is from Banette's analysis on how Destiny Bond works:

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well, i prefer pokemon database. Sometimes, it doesn't have full information but it has a good interface. However, Bulbapedia wins the information part. i don't think people that creat a wiki have wrong information.

What are some good stall-breakers this gen?

Actually, how do you fight stall? I've learned that I'm really really bad against stall teams.

Zekrom said:

What are some good stall-breakers this gen?

Actually, how do you fight stall? I've learned that I'm really really bad against stall teams.

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Magic Bounce from Mega Absol or Espeon reflects status moves back. Mega Mawile with Substitute also helps against stall; from behind the Sub. Swords Dance to amp up Mawile's Attack works too, in order to overwhelm the generally bulkiness of stall.

Prankster Taunt from something like Thundurus also helps prevent stall teams from setting up.

Shadow Tag Gothitelle deals a number on stall teams.

Whats a good moveset for a Sassy swoobat, a Quirky cradily and a recently released bold fancy vivillion


The reason why I'm so pcky is because its a event and the other two are shiny!
Thanks in Advance!

machupichu18 said:

Whats a good moveset for a Sassy swoobat, a Quirky cradily and a recently released bold fancy vivillion


The reason why I'm so pcky is because its a event and the other two are shiny!
Thanks in Advance!

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Honestly, Sassy is a waste of Swoobat's Speed, while Quirky doesn't do anything beneficial for Cradily. Leave them alone.

You could do a bulky Quiver Dance set for Vivillon, but you should've kept going until you get a +Speed nature that's not Jolly, since Volcarona does bulky Quiver Dancing better, since Vivillon is very frail, even with defensive investment:
-Quiver Dance
-Sleep Powder
-Hurricane
-Bug Buzz/Roost
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Compound Eyes

PlatinumDude said:

Honestly, Sassy is a waste of Swoobat's Speed, while Quirky doesn't do anything beneficial for Cradily. Leave them alone.

You could do a bulky Quiver Dance set for Vivillon, but you should've kept going until you get a +Speed nature that's not Jolly, since Volcarona does bulky Quiver Dancing better, since Vivillon is very frail, even with defensive investment:
-Quiver Dance
-Sleep Powder
-Hurricane
-Bug Buzz/Roost
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Compound Eyes

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But what about hold hands for double battles?

machupichu18 said:

But what about hold hands for double battles?

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Think of Hold Hands as the doubles version of Splash. That's right, it's absolutely useless.

..... Wow, just wow
So what is the best swoobat, cradily (okay its not shiny), sabeleye accelgor and sprirtzee moveset, I really want to use it in upcoming battle competitions, also what is the best sticky webber out there,


I know it's a lot but that's all I need to know, then I'm dunzo

machupichu18 said:

..... Wow, just wow
So what is the best swoobat, cradily (okay its not shiny), sabeleye accelgor and sprirtzee moveset, I really want to use it in upcoming battle competitions, also what is the best sticky webber out there,


I know it's a lot but that's all I need to know, then I'm dunzo

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Swoobat is kinda meh; it's outclassed by other Psychics like Alakazam, Lati@s and Deoxys, due to them having more coverage and power. But if you insist:
-Substitute
-Calm Mind
-Stored Power/Psychic/Psyshock
-Heat Wave/Air Slash
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Salac Berry
Ability: Simple

Cradily:
-Stealth Rock
-Toxic/Rock Slide
-Recover
-Giga Drain/Energy Ball
Nature: Bold/Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers

or
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Curse
-Rock Slide/Seed Bomb
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers

Aromatisse (Spritzee is its pre-evolved form):
-Wish
-Protect
-Moonblast
-Aromatherapy
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Aroma Veil

Accelgor (this set is best used on hyper-offense, but this team may not look like one):
-Spikes
-Encore
-Bug Buzz
-Final Gambit
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Unburden/Sticky Hold

The best Sticky Web user out there is Shuckle because it's guaranteed to get one up with Sturdy:
-Stealth Rock
-Sticky Web
-Encore
-Infestation/Toxic/Knock Off
Nature: Bold/Impish
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Mental Herb
Ability: Sturdy

Raising my first competitive team?

Hey guys. So I'm headed off to college in a few months, and I have a feeling that there will be a formidable pokemon community where I'm headed. In preparation, I think it would be fun to have a competitive team on hand to be able to battle if/when the opportunity arises. Fourth generation would be my preferred generation for competitive play, so I would be playing on Pearl, if that makes any difference. Here's my dilemma, however...

Whenever I begin to search for "EV Training" or "Team Building" or "IV Breeding" I just feel overwhelmed with information. I really am having trouble finding valuable, detailed, and concise guides to how to build a team. Quite frankly, aside from a general idea of team composition and the extreme basics of IV's and EV's, I'm clueless at this point. Could anyone point me in the right direction, or just help me get started in the process of building a formidable competitive pokemon team on Pearl? (It would be vanilla Pearl on my DS by the way)

Also, do a decent amount of people still play 4th gen games? Or am I wasting my time?

Finally, should I put in a few dollars and pick up platinum, or does it matter?

Thanks so much!

I know the feeling lol. Cant really help though. I assume you saw the Smogon's guide, there are many guides but they are all sort of complicated for people who just got or are trying to get into competitive.

Also I am currently playing Pokemon Platinum, for the first time, so you're not the only one.

Anybody know a good move set and Evs for a brave natured charizard, since I want to train it effectively and a hasty shell armor crawdaunt?

DarkIllumination said:

Anybody know a good move set and Evs for a brave natured charizard, since I want to train it effectively and a hasty shell armor crawdaunt?

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Brave's not the best nature for a Charizard, but you could probably make do using the Mega Zard X bulky set:

-Charizard w/Charizardite X
Nature: Brave
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 144 HP, 252 Attack, 112 Speed
Moves: Dragon Dance, Roost, Dragon Claw, Fire Punch/Earthquake

Crawdaunt's not really worth using without Adaptability. Shell Armor's kinda a useless ability on any Pokemon too.

Thanks sounds like a good set and if doesn't work with crawdaunt I can breed for the better ability or use the capsule to switch abilities.

DarkIllumination said:

Thanks sounds like a good set and if doesn't work with crawdaunt I can breed for the better ability or use the capsule to switch abilities.

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Adaptability is Crawdaunt's Hidden Ability, so you can't use the capsule to change it to that.

If you do get one with Adaptability, you'll wanna roll with something like this:

-Crawdaunt w/Life Orb or Focus Sash
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Sp.Defense
Moves: Aqua Jet, Knock Off, Crabhammer, Swords Dance