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[Spoilers] Pokémon XY & Z Speculation

Aquacorde

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  • they seriously have enough characters already; let the ones we have get some time! they have yet to develop shota, the xy friends, millefeui, elle, granny tripokalon... plus alain and probably manon are going to show up? and team flare? and they might actually develop jessie in terms of tripokalons? that's a lot of people to run focus on. :T save the new personalities for next gen

    edit: hi lizardo haha. i still think episode N was as it was because of the earthquake and the initial plasma episodes being dropped; if plasma had been run throughout the series the climax probably would have been better. i was surprised that they haven't been popping flare into XY so much; being only in the mega-evo specials isn't the best for developing an organization. hopefully they won't rush this arc; as far as i can tell they have plenty of time before gen 7 to do a cool story with these characters.
     
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    Also @DBZ-fan ,
    Misty's Violent side is part of her personality ! Cutting it off in excuse of character development is same as killing a part of her.
    The main reason your okay with this because its Misty !
    To You , Misty has to be a "Flawless Being" and you want everyone to see Misty that way.
    So , You can't bear anyone point a flaw in Misty Or talk about her becoming Boring.
    Imagine Otae (Gintama) completely cut off her violent side and become a total nice girl in Order to be Mature! Do you think people like her that way.
    Thats the main problem of the Anime , Writers think Development mean Characters becoming non-violent & More mature! But Mature characters are usually the stupidest and weakest in most Anime! Example : Lucy (Fairy Tail) is the most mature member of Fairy tail But she often regard as the weakest or Useless by many fans.
    There is different between maturity and Competency ! During Original series , Brock was the most mature But Misty was The sharpest since she's always the 1st one to suspect TR's plan.
    The main reason rebooting Ash in BW series failed because Writer only made him weaker and studier while keeping his "Perfect mannered Mature" personality from DP .
    However , if Ash regained his self-centered , arrogant and sarcastic personalty from Original series while keeping his Battling skill and knowledge from DP then the rebooting would became a Success.

    Im afraid you dont understand point of character development than. Character development involves exactly that: Someone changing and growing emotionally with his/her personality evolving as result of various new people, new experiences, circumstances and struggles, challenges in life you face as person.

    Becoming stronger as trainer and staying 100% same like you were as small child is NOT character development.
    It only means how you became better with practice at what you enjoy doing, but if that knowledge and experience you received had no long lasting impact on you as person. Your essentially staying a same mental level with no progress or direction of going somewhere as individual building on yourself to become better and more resourceful person. Work on overcoming fears, flaws and develop new sides to your personality or skills.

    In Misty case character development didn't killed character but allowed to add extra depth to her personality. Let alone punching others being only bizarre, eccentric and outstanding character trait known by her.

    Additionally violence was never part of personality which defined how she should act.
    Far from it being used as mechanism, part of rough exterior from Misty side to hide her inner feelings, fears and flaws. Due to growing without parents and being berated and underestimated by older sisters and everyone else shaking up her selfworth and confidence. Developing need to be tough, abrasive and headstrong not wanting to give out impression of being weak. Or having need for anyone help, which wasnt true,. With Misty herself showing she wants to be recognized and noticed for her qualities and achievements. Having feelings for others but having trouble in expressing them properly like it was case with Ash and not being fine of being alone.

    Showing how stubborn, violent attitude didn't appeared out of nowhere setting up ground for meaningful character development in Misty case. Exploring on various other sides of her personality and showcase her other quirks and traits beside temper, being more than just loud cranky redhead. Get over complex of feeling less worthy compared to older siblings fighting for her place under the sun and discovering talents and strength she posess . Nevertheless presence of Ash and Brock made her recognize value and importance behind friendship and having someone to rely on not having to be all alone. Resulting in developing lot of care and atachment for them evolving and becoming stronger as person.

    Most of all becoming less violent as character does not mean someone have to turn in stepford wife having always smile on your face and be super nice to everyone.
    Nor Misty acted way your present to be the case in Hoenn at all still having flare presented through scolding, arguing and sarcasm(you dont need to punch someone in face or break his neck to be temperament or interesting).
    Still being full of sass, temper, loved to tease and be curious, Followed by her girly and adventurous nature.

    But Misty in Hoenn was also full of pride for her achievements, more compassionate and understanging for people needs and less selfish. Being willing to accept criticism and work on improving on her negative sides showing how she evolved and learned something as character.

    Something i appreciated.
    Not because Misty is among my favorites or because im apparently "blinded by liking toward fictional character to see anyhing wrong with it"(nice try at Ad Hominem there btw).

    But because i can recognize and appreciate when someone evolves and learn new things a character leaving impact on him. With growing up and developing forward allowing to explore and build on various new, fresh quirks and emotions to someone personality making it more rich that way.
    Because it prevents stagnation with characters not feeling static and repetitive going somewhere alongside their story.
    And because it allow us to better know protagonists in story and get grasp of idea in what are their motives. Why they behave in way they do and if their failures, hard work and learning on mistakes will get them somewhere or not.

    For same reason i don't find Ash to be "shell of his former self" nowadays just because he isn't acting like idiot full of himself and arrogant thinking he knows better than everyone else(that would be just giant step backwards cancelling out any influence and development Ash received in Pokemon series being back to starting point).

    But in a way evolved character who got molded thanks to various people, battles, bad and good times he went through shaping him up to become person he is at this moment. Not necessarily a bad thing, only adding more dimension to Ash who still has his core(being selfless, clueless, easy going and stubbornly rude), something which define his personality. But also developed more mature, selfcritic and responsible approach toward life and those who surround him being like older brother to his new friends in Kalos.

    Lastly how will someone act toward others as i mentioned before also largely depends on way others communicate with you as well.
    If everyone is nice, friendly, supportive and admirng of you, than it makes no sense or there exists any justification to act stubborn. Arrogant, imulsive and demeaning toward any of them.
    Delivering exact opposite instead of humor making character jarring and tasteless to follow.
     
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    they seriously have enough characters already; let the ones we have get some time! they have yet to develop shota, the xy friends, millefeui, elle, granny tripokalon... plus alain and probably manon are going to show up? and team flare? and they might actually develop jessie in terms of tripokalons? that's a lot of people to run focus on. :T save the new personalities for next gen

    You mean , all these blend character ! Original series had a lot of unique character who were better then these disappointments but none them gotten a chance.
    Such as : AJ , Giselle , Samurai, Duplica,Otoshi, Richie , Mandy , Cassy , Simon ,Cherry etc etc .
    So Why do I care about Blend character like Shota , Shauna , Tierno ?
    Not to mention , All of them are Newbie with less then one year experience! The Anime need more accomplished Character .
    There will be no harm in Anime if they fade away like other Original characters which were better then them.
    Plus , Serena is still Boring as hell and giving her a Goal didn't made her any better! Tripokalon is not nearly as fun as Contest So I don't care about anyone connected to it.
    If you think , Serena cutting her hair is Good development then let me remind you , Sakura Haruno (Pokemon) cut her hair as Well But she's still One of the most hated Anime girl.
    The Anime already shown 3 Tripokalon which were widely considered to be Boring and Time-waste by majority of Fans !
    The Only reason Tripokalon exist because Serena needed a Goal , Not because its important for the Storyline.
    By the way , You only mention character connected to Serena & Tripokelon ! May be, Your real focus is actually Serena.
    Unfortunately , Serena is nothing more a "Guest" who will be kick out in the next series So it makes Tripokalon completely pointless.
    Truth is , We don't have any interesting & BIZARRE character at all in XY! Just some blend ordinary character , Even Gerogia was better then them!
    That why the Show become Boring due to the lack of bizarre characters.
    The Anime need to follow ONE Specific Storyline and focus only on Character who important for the storyline.
    Pokemon is an Anime , Not some Korean Drama show So it need Interesting characters in THIS GEN rather then Next gen !
     

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  • ಠ_ಠ i mentioned every secondary character who still needs development barring like. sanpei and limone, who i forgot about momentarily. they are not all directly related to serena. they are all interesting characters who are being explored. any character is worrh expansion, because that's how they become deeper and more interesting characters. you just refuse to see that because you'd rather blab about your uninformed opinions which are completely rooted in irrational hatred. if you hate everything so much, there's really no point in watching is there? why bother if you think it's terrible? chill out man jfc
     
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    Im afraid you dont understand point of character development than. Character development involves exactly that: Someone changing and growing emotionally with his/her personality evolving as result of various new people, new experiences, circumstances and struggles, challenges in life you face as person.

    Becoming stronger as trainer and staying 100% same like you were as small child is NOT character development.

    From you point of view , Gold (PokeSpe) from PokeSpe didn't develop at all !
    After all , He's still Self-centered , arrogant , insensitive , perverted Jerk ! Seriously , What actually Change about him ?
    Real development is shown though A character's action & choice , Not by their personality !
    Just like , Natsu (Fairy tail ) still broke into Savertooth guild and beat up people just like he's always do. But he's development is shown when stop his fight with Savertooth's Master and leave.
    Misty can still be as violent as she always were even after her development ! She's doesn't need to act like a grown adult considering that she's still 10 year old.
    Same goes with Ash , He still 10 year old So he doesn't need to act like an adult to show his development.
    History witness that , Most genius were immature and tried dangerous thing as child! History also witness them having immature & irrational personality even during childhood.
    Its because Mature people restrain themselfs in order to be accepted by the Others But Genius really doesn't care about other opinion about them and shows their true self.
     
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    Famon, maybe it's time to accept that nothing the anime does or will do is going to compare to the OS for you. You seem to have convinced yourself that it's the end-all, be-all of the entire anime, that whatever flaws it may or may not have don't matter, and that every other series either needs to emulate it or it's a failure. You're incapable of judging XY, or any of the other series, for what it is because you're too busy comparing it to another series that ended back in 2002. All that seems to matter about XY is that it's not the OS - or whatever other anime you're determined to compare Pocket Monsters to this week. There's nothing the writers can do to satisfy someone with nostalgia goggles that thick. Why not just re-watch the OS and leave XY to people who'll at least try to give it a fair chance?

    I mean, this is a thread to discuss and speculate on XYZ. How in the hell is bringing up a bunch of OS supporting characters and COTDs relevant to anything about that? Why is it that almost every thread on here need to be derailed so that you or weedle_mchairybug can go on about how great the OS was? I get that we all have our preferred periods of the anime, but only you treat yours like it's a flawless sacred cow everything else needs to live up to.

    edit: hi lizardo haha. i still think episode N was as it was because of the earthquake and the initial plasma episodes being dropped; if plasma had been run throughout the series the climax probably would have been better. i was surprised that they haven't been popping flare into XY so much; being only in the mega-evo specials isn't the best for developing an organization. hopefully they won't rush this arc; as far as i can tell they have plenty of time before gen 7 to do a cool story with these characters.
    If everyone involved with Team Flare aside from Fleur-de-lis, Alan, and Pachira end up just being faceless grunts for Satoshi and co. to fight, then I don't really think they needed more than the Mega Evolution specials to set them up. And we really don't know how long the Team Flare stuff will be. Could be that there will be plenty of time to establish anyone else (AZ?) that might be important, anyway.

    Despite my last post, I actually do have hope that the writers will do this plotline justice so that it's not another "Team Magma/Aqua" or Episode N debacle. If the Mega specials are any indication, they seem to know where they're going with it all. And XY in general has been pretty good with its mini-arcs (Summer Camp, Corni, Mega Evolution specials), much more so than BW ever was, to give me enough faith in how they handle it.
     
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  • From you point of view , Gold (PokeSpe) from PokeSpe didn't develop at all !
    After all , He's still Self-centered , arrogant , insensitive , perverted Jerk ! Seriously , What actually Change about him ?
    Real development is shown though A character's action & choice , Not by their personality !
    Just like , Natsu (Fairy tail ) still broke into Savertooth guild and beat up people just like he's always do. But he's development is shown when stop his fight with Savertooth's Master and leave.
    Misty can still be as violent as she always were even after her development ! She's doesn't need to act like a grown adult considering that she's still 10 year old.
    Same goes with Ash , He still 10 year old So he doesn't need to act like an adult to show his development.
    History witness that , Most genius were immature and tried dangerous thing as child! History also witness them having immature & irrational personality even during childhood.
    Its because Mature people restrain themselfs in order to be accepted by the Others But Genius really doesn't care about other opinion about them and shows their true self.
    Actually... concerning Ash, he actually should be acting at least a little more mature by now. This guy has been in several life threatening situations, has met and said farewell to a large number of people and Pokemon, and has been to several places and has even saved the world a couple of times if the movies are anything to go by. Even if he's still a ten year old he should have changed and matured at least a LITTLE bit by now, simply because of the experiences he's went through. In the games your rivals change quite a bit as their journey progresses, and they become more mature and more capable each time you see them. This change might be small, like with Blue, or it might be drastic like with Cheren and Silver, but they were still the same age when their journeys began and ended, and they developed as characters quite a bit over the course of the game.

    Changing as a person over the course of your journey is a perfectly normal thing, and given that Ash is at least an accomplished trainer by now, he shouldn't be acting more or less the same way as when his journey began. Actual character development doesn't simply mean their personality changes, or the choices they make change. It means they grow as people, explore their strengths snd weaknesses, and either conquer those weaknesses or succumb to them. Your characters experience new things and meet new people, and this shapes them, making them better or worse, and this makes them more meaningful overall.
     
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  • Real development is shown though A character's action & choice , Not by their personality !
    Choice/Action and personality are not mutually exclusive. Generally, the former is governed by the latter, and the latter is built by the former. If the two are completely separate, then either the character's actions or their personality are not their own. You can't simply change one without affecting the other in at least the smallest degree.
     
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    Actually... concerning Ash, he actually should be acting at least a little more mature by now. This guy has been in several life threatening situations, has met and said farewell to a large number of people and Pokemon, and has been to several places and has even saved the world a couple of times if the movies are anything to go by. Even if he's still a ten year old he should have changed and matured at least a LITTLE bit by now, simply because of the experiences he's went through. In the games your rivals change quite a bit as their journey progresses, and they become more mature and more capable each time you see them. This change might be small, like with Blue, or it might be drastic like with Cheren and Silver, but they were still the same age when their journeys began and ended, and they developed as characters quite a bit over the course of the game.

    Changing as a person over the course of your journey is a perfectly normal thing, and given that Ash is at least an accomplished trainer by now, he shouldn't be acting more or less the same way as when his journey began. Actual character development doesn't simply mean their personality changes, or the choices they make change. It means they grow as people, explore their strengths snd weaknesses, and either conquer those weaknesses or succumb to them. Your characters experience new things and meet new people, and this shapes them, making them better or worse, and this makes them more meaningful overall.

    Its depend on what you believe to be Maturity ! Do you think Maturity mean acting like an adult or taking the right decision at right time ?
    There are lot of character that you would consider immature & stupid But they turn out be wisest character of the anime.
    One of the Best example is "Alder" , You won't consider him as a mature person because a Mature old man doesn't flirt with Girls same age as their daughter, annoy police officer and fall in sleep middle of Battle! People would see him as a Immature perverted Old man until he shows his wisdom by confronting a confused Gigalith.
    Same thing apply with Ash as well .
    Ash doesn't need to act like a grown-up as long as he shows incredible wisdom when he confront various matter ! There are lots of anime character like them .
    Such as Gintoki (Gintama) , Gold (PokeSpe) , Souma (Shokugeki no Soma) , Ben (Ben 10)
    Ash can still show ego , Taunt someone, seek attention , Pick fight with anybody , argue with someone in street , run toward an Ice cream track , Get obsessed with Action figure, and do hilarious thing on street.
    As long as he doesn't repeat the same mistake twice and forget important stuff.
    Honestly , I would love to see an episode where Siebold trying to open a Restaurant in Haunted building but all his worker get scared off by Ghost So he ask Alain , Ash and their sidekicks for help.
    Thought out the episode , Siebold & Alain claim Ghost aren't real and criticize Others for believing in them But They are one who get Scared the most and run like Chicken when they saw a ghostly woman which just happen to be Jessie with a dirty face & Wet hair.
     
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  • Same thing apply with Ash as well .
    Ash doesn't need to act like a grown-up as long as he shows incredible wisdom when he confront various matter ! There are lots of anime character like them .
    Such as Gintoki (Gintama) , Gold (PokeSpe) , Souma (Shokugeki no Soma)
    ...Did you just compare Ash to Souma?

    ...Did you just compare Ash to Gintoki?

    Famonpls. They're not even the same archetype. You're REALLY overgeneralizing these characters.
     
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    ...Did you just compare Ash to Souma?

    ...Did you just compare Ash to Gintoki?

    Famonpls. They're not even the same archetype. You're REALLY overgeneralizing these characters.

    I'm not comparing them , I'm wishing him to be like them !
    Plus , The Original Ash's personality was closer to them.
    Specially if we compare Ash & Souma's denseness toward Romance and their total dedication toward their Goal.
    Plus ,I remember Ash picking a fight with Primape for his hat and shouting to Misty that he send One million postcard for it.
    Also the fact that The Original Ash didn't hesitated to make slide comment toward Misty and tease her or play prank on people.
    Unlike the current Perfectly manner Ash who too much of a gentleman to tease anyone.

    FYI : May be , Ash should be more like Souma ! At least it more fun to see A Badass Ash taking on arrogant princess like Erina and elite trainer then A Gentleman Ash who can't win a League.
     
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  • Its depend on what you believe to be Maturity ! Do you think Maturity mean acting like an adult or taking the right decision at right time ?
    There are lot of character that you would consider immature & stupid But they turn out be wisest character of the anime.
    One of the Best example is "Alder" ! You won't consider him as a mature person because a Mature old man doesn't flirt with Girls same age as their daughter, annoy police officer and fall in sleep middle of Battle! People would see him as a Immature perverted Old man until he shows his wisdom by confronting a confused Gigalith.
    Same thing apply with Ash as well .
    Ash doesn't need to act like a grown-up as long as he shows incredible wisdom when he confront various matter ! There are lots of anime character like them .
    Such as Gintoki (Gintama) , Gold (PokeSpe) , Souma (Shokugeki no Soma)
    Ash can still show ego , Taunt someone, seek attention , Pick fight with anybody , argue with someone in street and do hilarious thing on street.
    As long as he doesn't repeat the same mistake twice and forget important stuff.
    Honestly , I would love to see an episode where Siebold trying to open a Restaurant in Haunted building but all his worker get scared off by Ghost So he ask Alain , Ash and their sidekicks for help.
    Thought out the episode , Siebold & Alain claim Ghost aren't real and criticize for believing in them But They are one who get Scared the most and run like Chicken when they saw a ghostly woman which just happen to be Jessie with a dirty face & Wet hair.
    First, keep in mind I know absolutely nothing of the anime past maybe early OG. My only experiences with it in depth are the movies, which I have watched and enjoyed mainly because of the legendary Pokemon. Darkrai was awesome, and I stand by that statement.

    Continuing on, that's not maturity. That's something called hidden depths, which is when you're introduced to a character and are then given backstory or other details that add to the character and make you look at them in a different light. Actual maturity isn't simply acting more like an adult or making good decisions. It's changing and growing as a person as you're shaped by the experiences you've had. You learn from your mistakes, face and conquer your fears, and learn to deal with your own strengths and weaknesses.

    Ash simply acting more grown up isn't maturity. Ash adjusting his tactics, learning from his wins and losses, being shaped by experiences with his friends and occasionally reaffirming why he's on his journey is. Ash can still act cocky, make mistakes and act like a little kid and still be a believable and well done character. But he can't start out being a young, inexperienced kid and still act essentially the exact same way he did to begin with after traveling to 5 different regions, attending numerous tournaments, meeting tons of people, being in dangerous situations that would be very scary for a 10 year old, and help stop evil teams that often want to cause the end of life as we know it. That's simply not how characters work. At this point he's a much more experienced trainer than anyone else with him, so if anything he should be acting at least a little different than he did before.
     
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    From you point of view , Gold (PokeSpe) from PokeSpe didn't develop at all !
    After all , He's still Self-centered , arrogant , insensitive , perverted Jerk ! Seriously , What actually Change about him ?
    Real development is shown though A character's action & choice , Not by their personality !
    Just like , Natsu (Fairy tail ) still broke into Savertooth guild and beat up people just like he's always do. But he's development is shown when stop his fight with Savertooth's Master and leave.
    Misty can still be as violent as she always were even after her development ! She's doesn't need to act like a grown adult considering that she's still 10 year old.
    Same goes with Ash , He still 10 year old So he doesn't need to act like an adult to show his development.
    History witness that , Most genius were immature and tried dangerous thing as child! History also witness them having immature & irrational personality even during childhood.
    Its because Mature people restrain themselfs in order to be accepted by the Others But Genius really doesn't care about other opinion about them and shows their true self.

    Character choices and actions dont happen randomly and out of nowhere. If protagonist in story tries to make up for mistake he did before, redeem for past failures or do what viewer could perceive as "right thing" to do. Ignition behind that is change in someone personality and character developing different perception on persons and surrounding.

    Discover new feelings he/she wasnt aware of adding more layers to its behavior. Or deciding to take responsibility behind its actions.
    One does not go without another. If someone starts revealing deviations and differences in behavior compared to actions done in past. It means its personality changed and matured as well.

    Otherwise you haven't developed or learned anything at all.

    Point of maturing behind Ash, Misty, May etc. Now Serena isn't to make characters conceal their true self or restrain over anything.
    Its to learn how to avoid making same mistakes in future. Came to realization what they want from life and where they stand with their career(like showed with Serena case), Be open to criticism and accept reality of not knowing everything with there existing stronger, smarter individuals out there. Having long way to go before accomplishing your dreams(see Ash).

    Discover your own qualities, deal with misfortune making amends with past, learn new skills and meet other people which leave impact on our life and personality. Starting to work on bettering ourselves(see Misty).
    Its natural way of progression and going forward.

    None of them acts like adults either . Something which impose question on its own.
    What exactly constitutes as behavior of an adult?

    Because every person is different. Have different habits, personality, childhood, different leaning rate and path through which he/she grew. You can be very poised, calm and peaceful. But you could also be flamboyant, dashing and courageous. All of this can be characteristics of adult behavior with measure through which someone can be considered as mature lying in how resourseful independent and responsible you became. How your reacting to circumstances and challenges compared to your younger self.

    Misty after maturing did not stopped being irrational, moody and fiery at times. Still fangirling over cute stuff and water pokemon. Being rebellious and sarcastic throwing jokes at her sisters and friends(like Ash/Brock; their case more so out of endearment),. Shown to have temoer being irritated by Psyduck, Colonel Hanson or Team Rocket questioning their desire to constantly chase Ash and Pikachu. Being spirited,interested in battles and adventure.

    Ash didnpt stoped being easy going taking things lightly sometime which backfire on him as showed in first gym in Kalos or in losing to Sanpei. Gluttonous and reckless thinking about food over anything else . Brash and reckless getting himself in trouble (such as jumping in open Volcano, almost falling in abyss when not listening others trying to get to other side by jumping on Drifblim) etc.
    Or sincere, caring and enthusiastic over pokemon exposing himself to danger and taking hits to earn their trust. Especially with Frogadier as far as his Kalos pokemon go.
    Still having long way to go before they can be what could be called fully grown up individuals.

    This characters didnt lost their appeal, imperfections and enjoyable traits .
    Some of them may had been decreased and refined, but maturity only helped them to develop new redeeming qualities to their personalities. Allowed to develop friendship and close relationships between themselves and be more responsible and organized as persons or trainers,
    Delivering new, fresh exture and appeal to themselves.

    As more similar fictional characters are to people in real life they become more realistic and relatable. Allowing viewer to find himself in some of this characters forming emotional link. It adds more depth and substance to character developing new appeal and value . While gaining some new fresh quirks and traits to already existing ones making for more complex and sympathetic protagonist preventing stagnation and flanderization.

    Because i don't know about others but i like when characters in story actually change and advance instead of remaining forever at square one.
     
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    First, keep in mind I know absolutely nothing of the anime past maybe early OG. My only experiences with it in depth are the movies, which I have watched and enjoyed mainly because of the legendary Pokemon. Darkrai was awesome, and I stand by that statement.

    Continuing on, that's not maturity. That's something called hidden depths, which is when you're introduced to a character and are then given backstory or other details that add to the character and make you look at them in a different light. Actual maturity isn't simply acting more like an adult or making good decisions. It's changing and growing as a person as you're shaped by the experiences you've had. You learn from your mistakes, face and conquer your fears, and learn to deal with your own strengths and weaknesses.

    Ash simply acting more grown up isn't maturity. Ash adjusting his tactics, learning from his wins and losses, being shaped by experiences with his friends and occasionally reaffirming why he's on his journey is. Ash can still act cocky, make mistakes and act like a little kid and still be a believable and well done character. But he can't start out being a young, inexperienced kid and still act essentially the exact same way he did to begin with after traveling to 5 different regions, attending numerous tournaments, meeting tons of people, being in dangerous situations that would be very scary for a 10 year old, and help stop evil teams that often want to cause the end of life as we know it. That's simply not how characters work. At this point he's a much more experienced trainer than anyone else with him, so if anything he should be acting at least a little different than he did before.

    I think we have a misunderstanding ! I'm not saying that Ash should go back to being a Rookie who forget type and repeat same mistake twice.
    Its same as wishing BW Ash Back whom I hate.
    I'm talking about other trait of Ash's personality that doesn't haven't anything to do with his Skill as a Pokemon trainer.
    Like Ash's temper , mischief , Ego , Attention seeking , Showing off etc etc.
    A lot of trait of Original Ash disappeared , It as if Writer turn Ash into completely different character.
    Cheek this page from a Doujinshi
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    If you only watch Original Series then you should see this as a scene from Original Series where Misty makes a Slide Comment and Ash gets angry.
    However , Red (The Boy in the pic) process Ash's unorthodox tactic to win battle and learn from past experience . However , He still has same personality as Original Ash with the Battling skill of DP Ash.

    ಠ_ಠ i mentioned every secondary character who still needs development barring like. sanpei and limone, who i forgot about momentarily. they are not all directly related to serena. they are all interesting characters who are being explored. any character is worrh expansion, because that's how they become deeper and more interesting characters. you just refuse to see that because you'd rather blab about your uninformed opinions which are completely rooted in irrational hatred. if you hate everything so much, there's really no point in watching is there? why bother if you think it's terrible? chill out man jfc

    Because Bad Writing deserved to be Criticize !
    If you just watch the show and praise it no matter how Bad it is Then it Same as Not Watching at all.
    If that's you idea of watching an Anime then it mean your not watching it seriously enough.
    For example : Few year ago I saw frustrated People angry at the way Brazil lose the World Cup despite not being Brazilian themselves.
    Its easy for me to say "Watch it like Nothing is perfect" Because I don't watch Soccer that seriously.
    However , It mean more for People who watch Soccer seriously and those who doesn't watch Soccer seriously doesn't have the right to tell them how to watch Soccer .

    Plus , Why Do think XY series has declining Rating and the Movie earning less money if XY series that perfect ! Does Kids hate strong , Smart and Competent Ash ?
    Or , May be something is wrong with XY Series ?
    Like Blend Characters , Blend character interaction , Lack of Comedy , Lack of Challenge , Boring filler etc etc.

    Also , What Kind of development Writer can give to those XY Character beside shoving their Roster with powerful pokemon and give them Some accomplishment ???
    BW Series tried to do the same thing and Doomed itself ! You basically wishing XY Series to repeat the same mistake !
    From What I see , There nothing to develop for Shauna , Tireno and Travor! They only exist to promote the game and they did their Job.
    Same thing goes with Shota , If Writer try to gave him meaningless Spotlight then it will ruined his character Just like the trash named Trip .
    The Best thing Writer can do with Shota is have him suffer a crashing Defeat against an arrogant & Cruel trainer in the League and Ash avenging him by beating that trainer.
    Currently , The Series need to create Character who need development and important for Ash's development ! Characters like Paul , Gary .
    If The Anime tries to give every single character Spotlight then it will doomed itself! Pokemon's main storyline is Ash's goal and villainous arc So The series need character who can play an important role there.
     
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    I hope the Battles in the "New Atmosphere" will be like this--



    I don't think I know the Right English to explain How this battle is unique and exciting !
    However , It partly because "Protect" was use to save both Pokemon & trainer So it felt like the Trainer & The Pokemon fighting side by side.
    Honestly as All the Pokemon Fans ask , If Studio can make B2W2 trailer that good then why can't that do the same with the whole series ??

    Honestly , I would prefer a villainous ark where 6 or 5 Difficult-minded Trainer with Megevolution save the world from evil Team !
    Well , We has Ash as the Hero and Alain as the Loner Wolf! So I guess the Anime need 3 or 4 more trainer with their own Insecurities & Issues .
    Plus , It would be cool Ash have A rival like Georgia or Burgundy who aims to beat him!
    Honestly , They were undeveloped yet they were better then all "Developed" Character of BW Series.
    Because they knew how to make a episode Funny!
     

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  • I think Ash will get Carbink for his 6th slot. Or maybe Honedge.

    Carbink would mean Ash's first Fairy-type Pokemon and would promote the new type. There's also a really cool thing that can be done with it and would mean Ash's first legendary Pokemon... (hint: it has to do with Diancie). I'd like to see the faces of all Lucario/Mewtwo fanboys when Ash gets (Mega) Diancie. xD

    Honedge on the other hand eliminates the need for a Phantump, which can go to James. Honedge can abuse attacks such as Shadow Sneak and Sacred Sword, which I would really love to see in the anime.
     
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    We should also talk about other aspect of Pokemon XY&Z--

    --1) Will Emma make her appearance in this series ? Do we will see Ash battling Essentia ?

    --2) Movie 16 will feature Zygrade and Pokemon XY&Z will also feature Zygarde ! Does that mean there going to be 2 Zygarde ?

    --3) Will Ash get to know Lysandre ? Or This arc will end with Ash barely knowing him ?

    --4) What will be the reaction of the world because of Ash-Greninja ! Press probably want an Interview , Researcher would try to get a sample , and Challenger from various area will challenge Ash to see the power of Ash-Ninja. So new Rival confirmed ?

    --5) Will the "Team Flare arc" be same as all arc where Alain will be The Big hero that beat Lysandre while Ash just run the Lab until he finds a Machine and destroy it therefore saving the world ?
     

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  • We should also talk about other aspect of Pokemon XY&Z--

    --1) Will Emma make her appearance in this series ? Do we will see Ash battling Essentia ?

    --2) Movie 16 will feature Zygrade and Pokemon XY&Z will also feature Zygarde ! Does that mean there going to be 2 Zygarde ?

    --3) Will Ash get to know Lysandre ? Or This arc will end with Ash barely knowing him ?

    --4) What will be the reaction of the world because of Ash-Greninja ! Press probably want an Interview , Researcher would try to get a sample , and Challenger from various area will challenge Ash to see the power of Ash-Ninja. So new Rival confirmed ?

    --5) Will the "Team Flare arc" be same as all arc where Alain will be The Big hero that beat Lysandre while Ash just run the Lab until he finds a Machine and destroy it therefore saving the world ?

    About that second one. I actually think that the movie will either be the conclusion to XY&Z and Flare's arc or be similar to Mewtwo in the OG who 's story got a conclusion in the First movie (and later had a special) yet didn't involve Team Rocket (outside of the trio).
     

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  • About that second one. I actually think that the movie will either be the conclusion to XY&Z and Flare's arc or be similar to Mewtwo in the OG who 's story got a conclusion in the First movie (and later had a special) yet didn't involve Team Rocket (outside of the trio).

    The movies never influence to the anime. It's deliberately made vague if the movies actually exits within the anime.

    We should also talk about other aspect of Pokemon XY&Z--

    --1) Will Emma make her appearance in this series ? Do we will see Ash battling Essentia ?

    --2) Movie 16 will feature Zygrade and Pokemon XY&Z will also feature Zygarde ! Does that mean there going to be 2 Zygarde ?

    --3) Will Ash get to know Lysandre ? Or This arc will end with Ash barely knowing him ?

    --4) What will be the reaction of the world because of Ash-Greninja ! Press probably want an Interview , Researcher would try to get a sample , and Challenger from various area will challenge Ash to see the power of Ash-Ninja. So new Rival confirmed ?

    --5) Will the "Team Flare arc" be same as all arc where Alain will be The Big hero that beat Lysandre while Ash just run the Lab until he finds a Machine and destroy it therefore saving the world ?

    It's unlikely there will be interveiws, samples, many challengers, ect. Maybe Sycamore will want to see Greninjash, but more likely it will be a character of the day. Maybe there will be one new rival as a result of Greninjash, but probably nothing more than a character of the day.
     

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  • The movies never influence to the anime. It's deliberately made vague if the movies actually exits within the anime.



    It's unlikely there will be interveiws, samples, many challengers, ect. Maybe Sycamore will want to see Greninjash, but more likely it will be a character of the day. Maybe there will be one new rival as a result of Greninjash, but probably nothing more than a character of the day.

    The anime does influence the movies however, the same Mewtwo that appeared in Movie 1 is the one that appeared in the Original anime.
     
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