Latias was voted as OU twice if I remember right, which should be enough to keep it in OU. However, that was 6-2 and 6-3. In 6-4 and 6-5 (why did we even have those stages lol), Latias was voted as Uber both times, technically banning it. However, iirc it shouldn't have been considered for Uber in 6-4 and 6-5 because of its already voted OU status 2 stages in a row. So yea it looks like a corrupted Smogon chain of command if you ask me lol.
Also Gamer Latias was brought down after Platinum's release, so Mence did have Outrage at the time. I don't see why people started having problems with it now, same with Mence. Maybe they just got lazy and whiny because they basically bandwagoned with people who were lazy and whiny.
Who cares if they shouldn't have had the last two tests? As long as they get it right, why should it matter? Lol corrupt chain of command, it's not like they control how people vote. And really, their policy ultimately was more about Manaphy than Latias since they wanted to "be sure" with it. When Manaphy was finally banned, a stunning Uber majority was in front of them for Latias as well, which they couldn't just ignore.
Also it's so annoying how dismissive the pro-OU crowd with not just Salamence but Latias is with the pro-Uber people. Instead of the other side being people you disagree with, they're "lazy and whiny" or "they're just using bandwagoning tactics." My lord, it's not so black and white (and certainly not so favorable to one side). You must also consder the fact that the set that got Latias banned (Choice Specs) was pretty obscure for a long time. Just check out
these stats from October 2009, which was when Latias was number 3 in usage. Only one eighth of Latias used Specs. It actually never rose to 25%, even as awareness grew, so naturally alarm is going to be low if it's not used a whole lot.
But even with that aside, there is a perfectly logical argument for Latias belong in the Uber tier. If you disagree with it, fine, but acting like people are lazy or anything else just because they don't agree with your position is preposterous.
See this is why i dont trust the suspect tests in the slightest. Nor do i participate in them.
If you read the smogon thread, a well know memeber makes a statement i.e "Wow specs Latias is really powerful its pretty hard to stop!" or something similar and then everyone bandwagons and goes all like "Wow man it can even get past Blissey with Trick" and "If it predicts right it can beat everything" and so more bandwagoning and more theorymoning is born. Seriously, they did the same with Froslass in UU, the same with Raikou and started to do the same with Rhyperior, Duggy, Snover and Walrein to an extent but dropped it off with those and are doing the same with Mence now. Its pretty ridiculous that everyone zones in on a suspect then bandwagons it out of the tier. Froslass was voted UU twice then people like Heysup (no offense to him) wanted it gone and at every opportunity pointed out how uber its Spikes were apparently making anything from Raikou to Chansey sweep everything in the tier so yeah. Really players moan way too much.
Also wasnt Latias voted OU by a majority TWICE before so uh yeah i really didnt get that either or why it even needed to be tested again after that. :/
Basically the same thing I said above applies here. Reckless hyperbole with the whole bandwagoning and theorymoning and "these players moan too much" is just totally absurd. There are voting requirements and paragraph submissions for a reason. The voters are for the most part made up of top players with a ton of experience and knowledge, and with the paragraphs to make sure their reasoning is good. You can call it "bandwagoning" or "theorymon" all you want but the truth of the matter is that experienced players don't base their opinions off of theory or popular opinion but their own personal experience, and a lot of the "victims" of "bandwagoning" can't even vote. It sounds like a pretty poor scapegoat if you ask me. Furthermore, many of these players vote Uber because they've abused to sets rather than lose to them, so I would think that you can't call that whining or moaning but instead a logical conclusion. There is no need to demonize a way of thinking anyway >_>. No idea about the UU analogy though since I don't pay attention to that tier, so sorry about that haha.
It's actually kind of hilarious how this thread is not only hardly about Salamence anymore but also is hardly even arguing anymore. It's just a bunch of people haranguing Smogon or the suspect voters for supposed laziness or theorymon. The fact that none of the characteristics have even been mentioned shows just how crooked and useless this thread really is at this point. Why the hell should I keep this thread open if we can't even discuss something like civilized human beings? ._.
