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How could Ash steal a pokemon?

twillight

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    Stealing pokemon is pretty much impossible, so organisation like Team Rocket are doomed from the start. Just remember: to trade pokemons you need a special machine to rewrite the pokemons mind, who are eternally attached to their masters.

    Now this is the point we reach Ash's Charizard.
    Remember how he got it?

    The story goes like this: Charizard's owner said it should wait for him in the middle of a forest. Yes, his intention was to abandon it, but that was never told to charizard, especially not as an order!
    Then came a lot of running around, which ended up with Charizard's owner going back for Charizard, commanding it to keep going with him.

    Ash's reaction? Beating the other kid violently, and taking away his pokemon.

    WHUT? Ash just stole a pokemon? So he is better at stealing them than Team Rocket? And pretty much did an impossible task?!?
     

    weedle_mchairybug

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    twillight said:
    Stealing pokemon is pretty much impossible, so organisation like Team Rocket are doomed from the start. Just remember: to trade pokemons you need a special machine to rewrite the pokemons mind, who are eternally attached to their masters.

    Now this is the point we reach Ash's Charizard.
    Remember how he got it?

    The story goes like this: Charizard's owner said it should wait for him in the middle of a forest. Yes, his intention was to abandon it, but that was never told to charizard, especially not as an order!
    Then came a lot of running around, which ended up with Charizard's owner going back for Charizard, commanding it to keep going with him.

    Ash's reaction? Beating the other kid violently, and taking away his pokemon.

    WHUT? Ash just stole a pokemon? So he is better at stealing them than Team Rocket? And pretty much did an impossible task?!?
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    It's implied that Damian released Charmander from the Pokeball when he abandoned him (as when he says "Charmander, return!", Damian is shown throwing the Pokeball at him as if he was about to catch him, when trainers usually use that laser beam function to recall Pokémon).
     
    alisaie

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    Ash didn't steal the Pokemon if Charmander decided that he wanted to go with Ash instead of Damian. It was Charmander that decided to use Flamethrower on Damian; Ash did not command Charmander to do it. So I basically fail to see how it would be considered stealing. Pokemon aren't property to begin with. :V
     

    twillight

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    Charmander CAN NOT decide to go with anyone else but its master! That's the point!
    Captured pokemons ARE property! They are not allowed to have free will. Island of the Giant Pokemon illustrate this perfectly.
    "There is no such thing as a bad pokemon. Pokemons do bad things because they obey Masters. Master is Master" - Ekans.

    It used firebreath on its master? Who cares? Did plenty the same time on Ash from various reasons. But no matter how much it hated, petied, despised Ash, could not get away. Remained SLAVE of him.
     
    Gligar

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    • twillight said:
    Charmander CAN NOT decide to go with anyone else but its master! That's the point!
    Captured pokemons ARE property! They are not allowed to have free will. Island of the Giant Pokemon illustrate this perfectly.
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    I mean you have a point, but on that day, freedom of speech for pokemon began taking place.
     

    twillight

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    mimimahboul said:
    I mean you have a point, but on that day, freedom of speech for pokemon began taking place.
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    Ye, and just because officially Ash is "the hero", and charizard's actual owner was a "prick", and charizard breathed on him, you oh-so-sudden overlook the fact that Ash just stole a pokemon. The same person who generally likes to steal. Ash stole bicycles, motorboats, and who-know-what else during his career. Ok, he never stole an entire stadium (unlike Jessie and James), but c'mon!
     

    weedle_mchairybug

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    Did you even read my response? It was implied that Damian when abandoning Charmander had released it from his Pokeball, considering Damian tried to throw the Pokeball at Charmander when demanding that he return to him, when had it been under his ownership, he'd use that laser recall function, like most Pokémon Trainers do with their Pokémon both before and after this episode.
     
    Satoshi Ookami

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    • twillight said:
    Ye, and just because officially Ash is "the hero", and charizard's actual owner was a "prick", and charizard breathed on him, you oh-so-sudden overlook the fact that Ash just stole a pokemon. The same person who generally likes to steal. Ash stole bicycles, motorboats, and who-know-what else during his career. Ok, he never stole an entire stadium (unlike Jessie and James), but c'mon!
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    I won't pry deep into the fact you keep using Charizard instead of Charmander and just send this here.
    weedle_mchairybug said:
    It's implied that Damian released Charmander from the Pokeball when he abandoned him (as when he says "Charmander, return!", Damian is shown throwing the Pokeball at him as if he was about to catch him, when trainers usually use that laser beam function to recall Pokémon).
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    Release: Act of giving up your property.
    This property's owner is voided, ergo, it can become different.
    Changing ownership of voided property is by no meaning a theft.

    weedle_mchairybug said:
    Did you even read my response? It was implied that Damian when abandoning Charmander had released it from his Pokeball, considering Damian tried to throw the Pokeball at Charmander when demanding that he return to him, when had it been under his ownership, he'd use that laser recall function, like most Pokémon Trainers do with their Pokémon both before and after this episode.
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    You didn't quote him so he probably didn't?
     

    twillight

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    It's implied that Damian released Charmander
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    The problem is, although the intention did exist, it has never manifested in action. (Yes, I've read you. But you obviously not read MY post at #6.)
     

    weedle_mchairybug

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    Satoshi Ookami said:
    You didn't quote him so he probably didn't?
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    I did quote his post, actually, the first post anyways.

    twilight said:
    The problem is, although the intention did exist, it has never manifested in action. (Yes, I've read you. But you obviously not read MY post at #6.)
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    First of all, it DID manifest in action (or have you completely forgotten that Damian was shown throwing Charmander's Pokeball at it while yelling "Charmander, return!" instead of using that laser recall function that most trainers both before and afterwards used).

    Second of all, he needed to get away from those flock of Spearow quickly as well as quickly get to the Viridian Pokémon Center to get his Pikachu healed up. Granted, Pikachu's condition was largely his fault, but still... I guess you have a point regarding the motorboat, though.
     

    twillight

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    Damian was shown yelling "Charmander, return!"
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    And that's it exactly: return. Not "capture" or "gotcha", but "return",what is the command to put your own pokemon back to its pokeball.
     
    Famon

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    twillight said:
    And that's it exactly: return. Not "capture" or "gotcha", but "return",what is the command to put your own pokemon back to its pokeball.
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    Except the Pokeball didn't work and he got burn by Charmender flamethrower.
    Probably because it was already released But Damian was just too arrogant So he believe he can get back his released Pokemon with his old pokemon.
     

    weedle_mchairybug

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    twillight said:
    And that's it exactly: return. Not "capture" or "gotcha", but "return",what is the command to put your own pokemon back to its pokeball.
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    Clearly you haven't read it, because if you had, you would have noticed that I specifically mentioned that while he said that, he was clearly shown throwing the Poke Ball, not using that laser recall thing.
     

    Garchomp

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    Who the ever loving f*** cares?

    Damian had every intention to abandon it and only pretended he wanted it back to save face.
     

    weedle_mchairybug

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    Satoshi Ookami said:
    Can you confirm it by using original Japanese source?
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    Based on Dogasu's comparison of the episode (and bear in mind, this is the redo comparison), the only change of note is that the dub omitted Damian's comment that Charmander was weak enough to be defeated by a Poliwag, just changing it to just being weak to many Pokémon (though they still kept the gist of what he was saying when Brock mentioned Charmander was naturally weak to water types), meaning most likely the return thing was in the Japanese version.

    And Twilight, Damian actually THREW the Pokeball at Charmander. The return function, as demonstrated by many characters both before and AFTER this episode, had them using that laser function. Yes, he might have said "return," but the actual actions indicated he was actually trying to throw the Pokeball at Charmander, not simply having it return to his Pokeball, something that hasn't been demonstrated before or since, which implies that he actually released it.
     
    Famon

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    weedle_mchairybug said:
    Based on Dogasu's comparison of the episode (and bear in mind, this is the redo comparison), the only change of note is that the dub omitted Damian's comment that Charmander was weak enough to be defeated by a Poliwag, just changing it to just being weak to many Pokémon (though they still kept the gist of what he was saying when Brock mentioned Charmander was naturally weak to water types), meaning most likely the return thing was in the Japanese version.

    And Twilight, Damian actually THREW the Pokeball at Charmander. The return function, as demonstrated by many characters both before and AFTER this episode, had them using that laser function. Yes, he might have said "return," but the actual actions indicated he was actually trying to throw the Pokeball at Charmander, not simply having it return to his Pokeball, something that hasn't been demonstrated before or since, which implies that he actually released it.
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    Plus , Nurse Joy know What Demion did ! So She might have cancel his Pokemon trainer License.
     

    weedle_mchairybug

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    Famon said:
    Plus , Nurse Joy know What Demion did ! So She might have cancel his Pokemon trainer License.
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    Is he even licensed to begin with? He certainly has more than six Pokémon in his party (Based on what was stated exactly two episodes later, a licensed trainer, ie, a trainer with a Pokedex, has a limitation of six Pokémon, and their Pokémon once they exceed capacity goes to the person they got their [first] Pokedex from (in Ash's case, Professor Oak), and Episode 2 mentioned his Pokedex IS a trainer's license (Episode 7, Waterflowers of Cerulean City, also implied that Gym Leader badges act as licenses/IDs as well).).
     
    Iceshadow3317

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    Pokemon Anime and is totally different from the games. In the games, most pokemon are more like mindless beasts. In the anime, they are more sentient. This is also true with Pokemon Manga.

    Pokemon don't have their mind erased, they continue to remember their own trainers. Ash's Tepig was abandoned and Ash took it in and caught it, but Tepig still remembered its own trainer. Dawn and Ash traded pokemon, Aipom still remembered Ash.

    Honestly, your whole argument is invalid for the anime. Because the anime is totally different from the games and the manga is different from the games, but not as much as the anime.
     
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