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Vsjester13

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  • So yeah i was thinking of getting into Competitive battling and was wondering if this is a good team or not.

    Infernape.
    Moveset,
    Mach Punch,
    Fire Punch,
    Swords dance,
    Close combat.
    Nature:Adamant.
    EVs: 252 in Attack and Speed
    Ability:Blaze.
    Item: Air Balloon

    Rhyperior
    Moveset.
    Rock Slide,
    Earthquake,
    Stone Edge,
    Megahorn,
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 Attack and Defence
    Ability: Solid Rock.
    Item: Life orb

    Heracross
    Moveset.
    Megahorn,
    Close Combat,
    Facade,
    Stone Edge,
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 in Attack and Speed
    Ability:Guts
    Item:Toxic orb

    Feraligatr
    Moveset.
    Swords Dance,
    Ice Punch,
    Earthquake,
    Waterfall,
    Nature: Adamant.
    EVs: 252 in Attack and Speed
    Ability:Torrent.
    item:Life orb

    Hydreigon
    Moveset.
    Dragon Pulse,
    Fire Blast,
    Flamethrower,
    Crunch,
    Nature: Quirky
    EVs: 252 in Speed and Sp.def.
    Ability:Levitate
    Item: Wide lens

    Eelektross
    Moveset.
    Flamethrower,
    Wild Charge,
    Grass Knot,
    Thunder.
    Nature: Quiet
    EVs: 252 in Sp.Attack and Sp.defence
    Ability: Levitate
    Item: Focus Sash

    So yeah any help would be nice and please rate.

    Edit: Added Eelektross and Hydreigon plus items for all of'em.
     
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    CloudNine

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    Infernape // Jolly or Adamant // 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Flare Blitz or Fire Punch
    Close Combat
    U Turn
    Stone Edge or Mach Punch

    Metagross // Jolly // 52 HP / 252 Atk / 204 Spe
    Agility
    Meteor Mash
    Earthquake
    Ice Punch or Zen Headbutt

    Cacturne // Adamant // 188 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Def / 20 SpD / 28 Spe
    Spikes
    Seed Bomb
    Sucker Punch
    Substitute or Drain Punch

    Galvantula // Timid // 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Thunder
    Bug Buzz
    Energy Ball
    Hidden Power Fire

    Swampert // Adamant // 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Def
    Waterfall
    Ice Punch or Avalanche
    Stealth Rocks
    Earthquake

    Sigilyph // Timid // 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Psychic
    Air Slash
    Roost
    Calm Mind or Hidden Power Fighting


    Swampert should be you're tank/starting Pokemon
     
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    I'd replace the Cacturne for a Ferrothorn. Cacturne has WAY to many weaknesses, and can be easily OHKOed in one hit. Try replacing it with something like this:

    Ferrothorn
    Brave/Adamant
    Leftovers
    252 Attack, 252 HP, 4 Sp. Def
    Spikes
    Power Whip
    Gyro Ball
    Explosion/Payback

    Works wonders for me
     
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    Your team is weak to Cloyster. You might wanna add some priority moves to take Cloyster out easily. Seriously.
     

    Ho-Oh

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    Just so you know, in the future you need EVs, abilities, natures and items, and since you've been actively battling in the league your team has likely changed since then, though I noticed you still have Swampert, so just going to mention that if you want a water/ground special attacker, then Gastrodon is the stronger/more powerful choice:

    Gastrodon@Choice Specs
    Modest
    240 HP / 252 SpA / 16 SpD
    Storm Drain
    - Surf
    - Earth Power
    - Ice Beam
    - Hidden Power Grass / Recover

    It's choice specs, but it's still pretty good, allowing you basically all the coverage that Swampert would've gave you but a bit stronger when comparing the sPA stats.

    Also, you should be aware of the physical/special split, which basically means some Pokemon concentrate in special attacks, and others concentrate in physical attacks, which is why bug bite on Galvantula isn't really the greatest thing when you can get more power from bug buzz, due to it being special for example.

    Also, just mentioning, @Thundurus!: Explosion isn't really useful in Generation 5 without having a Choice Band since Explosion doesn't half the opponent's defense unlike in Gen 4. :(
     

    Vsjester13

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  • I'd replace the Cacturne for a Ferrothorn. Cacturne has WAY to many weaknesses, and can be easily OHKOed in one hit. Try replacing it with something like this:

    Ferrothorn
    Brave/Adamant
    Leftovers
    252 Attack, 252 HP, 4 Sp. Def
    Spikes
    Power Whip
    Gyro Ball
    Explosion/Payback

    Works wonders for me

    Thanks for the suggestion but i've decided to not use a Spiker.


    Your team is weak to Cloyster. You might wanna add some priority moves to take Cloyster out easily. Seriously.

    hmm i understand your point but even though it has such high defence then a few fighting type moves could take it down.

    Just so you know, in the future you need EVs, abilities, natures and items, and since you've been actively battling in the league your team has likely changed since then, though I noticed you still have Swampert, so just going to mention that if you want a water/ground special attacker, then Gastrodon is the stronger/more powerful choice:

    Gastrodon@Choice Specs
    Modest
    240 HP / 252 SpA / 16 SpD
    Storm Drain
    - Surf
    - Earth Power
    - Ice Beam
    - Hidden Power Grass / Recover

    It's choice specs, but it's still pretty good, allowing you basically all the coverage that Swampert would've gave you but a bit stronger when comparing the sPA stats.

    Also, you should be aware of the physical/special split, which basically means some Pokemon concentrate in special attacks, and others concentrate in physical attacks, which is why bug bite on Galvantula isn't really the greatest thing when you can get more power from bug buzz, due to it being special for example.

    Also, just mentioning, @Thundurus!: Explosion isn't really useful in Generation 5 without having a Choice Band since Explosion doesn't half the opponent's defense unlike in Gen 4. :(

    Gastrodon seems like a great choice to me thanks for the suggestion been most likely one of the best yet.

    Also i updated the first post with my new team that i made
     

    Ho-Oh

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    On Hydreigon you don't need Dragon Rush and Pulse - keep Pulse. Crunch is physical and doesn't help it, you're better off with Dark Pulse, but that's a bit difficult to get. :( As for a replacement for Dragon Rush, go with Focus Blast to hit Heatran.

    Nooo on Escavalier, its special attack is terrible. ;; Replace Bug Buzz with Pursuit to trap switching Pokemon aaand Return is better than Slash but if you can't max it, it's okay!

    Chandelure is kinda not that lovely, since you don't need three fire attacks. :x Instead put in shadow ball > hex for more power, and energy ball to hit water types over inferno or flame burst. :3 Aaand depending on what you want, and substitute over the leftover fire attack if you switch into a bug type that something is weak to so you can get a sub up, etc.

    On Lucario, you should decide whether you wanna go physical or special, tbh then EV it appropriately. However due to limitations you're better off keeping it mixed then replacing Aura Sphere with Ice Punch to hit dragons so it's mostly physical, but up to youuu.
     

    PlatinumDude

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  • I second what Nica said.

    Anyway, while Lucario does have good offensive stats, it can't use both effectively at the same time. It's better off using one offense or the other:
    -Swords Dance
    -Close Combat
    -ExtremeSpeed
    -Crunch/Ice Punch/Stone Edge
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb

    or
    -Nasty Plot
    -Aura Sphere
    -Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
    -Hidden Power (Ice)/Vacuum Wave
    Nature: Modest/Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb

    Poison Jab doesn't serve much use on Escavalier whatsoever. Scizor does a better job than it due to having a better movepool to work with:
    -U-turn
    -Bullet Punch
    -Brick Break/Superpower
    -Pursuit/Quick Attack
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Spe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Technician

    If you want to keep Escavalier, that's fine, because of its massively powerful Megahorns:
    -Megahorn
    -Iron Head/Knock Off/Rock Smash/Reversal
    -Pursuit
    -Return
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/4 SDef/4 Spe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Swarm

    To elaborate on what Nica said about Chandelure, Inferno is too inaccurate, and Hex is too reliant on the opponent being statused:
    -Fire Blast
    -Shadow Ball
    -Substitute
    -Pain Split/Hidden Power (Fighting)
    Nature: Timid/Modest
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Flash Fire
     

    Ho-Oh

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    Well, Politoed isn't really fit for your team as it is since fire's power is weakened in rain and a few of your Pokemon have fire attacks and generally your team doesn't benefit much from rain. Plus you've already got Feraligatr as your water attacker. It is true that you are lacking in special attackers though, so maybe wanna tell us what you have that is specially based and we can suggest a replacement for you? Unless you wanna keep Politoed, but you'll have to rework some of your team.

    Anyway, Rhyperior has terrible special attack so I'm not sure why you're running Thunder. Try Ice Punch instead to hit flying/ground types such as Gliscor and so on. Also make sure you're using a Choice Band there.

    Also Earthquake > Fire Fang to hit steels and uh, on Ice Fang if you can get Aqua Tail go for that instead.

    I'd also possibly consider choosing between Rhyperior and Aerodactyl since they have basically the same coverage with their normal sets based on what you have, plus it just makes you weaker to water. :( So yeah, you could also fit another special attacker in there, possibly a grass type since you have nothing to really hit bulky water types w/ super effective damage.
     

    Vsjester13

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  • Well, Politoed isn't really fit for your team as it is since fire's power is weakened in rain and a few of your Pokemon have fire attacks and generally your team doesn't benefit much from rain. Plus you've already got Feraligatr as your water attacker. It is true that you are lacking in special attackers though, so maybe wanna tell us what you have that is specially based and we can suggest a replacement for you? Unless you wanna keep Politoed, but you'll have to rework some of your team.

    Anyway, Rhyperior has terrible special attack so I'm not sure why you're running Thunder. Try Ice Punch instead to hit flying/ground types such as Gliscor and so on. Also make sure you're using a Choice Band there.

    Also Earthquake > Fire Fang to hit steels and uh, on Ice Fang if you can get Aqua Tail go for that instead.

    I'd also possibly consider choosing between Rhyperior and Aerodactyl since they have basically the same coverage with their normal sets based on what you have, plus it just makes you weaker to water. :( So yeah, you could also fit another special attacker in there, possibly a grass type since you have nothing to really hit bulky water types w/ super effective damage.

    Ok then well my best Special Attackers I'll list up in the first post then.

    I guess I'll switch out Politoed for a better Special attacker.

    I guess I'll take Rhyperior over Aerodactyl since hes more of a wall and I'll take thunder off him then.

    anyway I'll update the team now.
     

    Ho-Oh

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    Well from those choices, Hydreigon and Eelektross. Chandelure just makes the water weakness worse while Eelektross helps against ground & Hydreigon for powerr but keep in mind that dragons can become an issue (and a resist - a steel type) can be helpful. But yeah if you don't have one, then ya.

    Could we also get the items of your Pokemon as well as Hydreigon/Eelektross' current sets so we can see what could do with improving on?
     

    Vsjester13

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  • Well from those choices, Hydreigon and Eelektross. Chandelure just makes the water weakness worse while Eelektross helps against ground & Hydreigon for powerr but keep in mind that dragons can become an issue (and a resist - a steel type) can be helpful. But yeah if you don't have one, then ya.

    Could we also get the items of your Pokemon as well as Hydreigon/Eelektross' current sets so we can see what could do with improving on?

    Sure I'll update right away with items and Hydreigon and Eelektross sets...
     

    Ho-Oh

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    Go for Life Orb on Infernape, the more power the better.

    On Hydreigon you don't need both fire blast/flamethrower, instead go for focus blast to hit steels. Even wide lens doesn't really help you with what you have. :( So instead you can use LO or expert belt, to either fake a LO or actually have that power.

    On Eelektross chances are it won't be OHKO'd easily especially with nothing super effective, so feel free to go w/ leftovers or life orb. Thunder is bad without rain in terms of accuracy so go for thunderbolt. Wild Charge is best suited for a different set so otherwise remove that aand you can replace w/ u-turn for scouting.
     
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