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Old September 3rd, 2013, 11:09 AM
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I just evolved a Gligar in White 2. Assuming I have plenty of Heart Scales, and taking into account the defensive stats and typing of Gliscor, and that I want to make use of its Sand Veil ability (boosts evasiveness in a sandstorm) what moveset should it have?
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 11:37 AM
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Just saying, Sand Veil is banned in OU. Gliscor is most commonly seen using Poison Heal to benefit from Poison (Immunity Gligar can be obtained from the Route 23 Hidden Grotto, but it's hard to find) But if you want to make the most of it in Sandstorm, try this:
-Swords Dance
-Earthquake
-Acrobatics
-Substitute/Rock Polish
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Flying Gem
Ability: Hyper Cutter/Sand Veil
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 11:57 AM
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well ya that's all good cuz I run one of those in my Ground/Rock team
the move set I use is a

Ice Fang
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Protect
Earthquake
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 06:28 PM
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I just evolved a Gligar in White 2. Assuming I have plenty of Heart Scales, and taking into account the defensive stats and typing of Gliscor, and that I want to make use of its Sand Veil ability (boosts evasiveness in a sandstorm) what moveset should it have?
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Just saying, Sand Veil is banned in OU. Gliscor is most commonly seen using Poison Heal to benefit from Poison (Immunity Gligar can be obtained from the Route 23 Hidden Grotto, but it's hard to find) But if you want to make the most of it in Sandstorm, try this:
-Swords Dance
-Earthquake
-Acrobatics
-Substitute/Rock Polish
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Flying Gem
Ability: Hyper Cutter/Sand Veil
If it's being used in-game and not on a Smogon server, shouldn't it be fine to use Sand Veil?
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 06:37 PM
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If it's being used in-game and not on a Smogon server, shouldn't it be fine to use Sand Veil?
Yup. There's nothing wrong with using Sand Veil in Wi-Fi, but I still think Hyper Cutter is the preferred ability to prevent Attack loss to Intimidate.
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I just evolved a Gligar in White 2. Assuming I have plenty of Heart Scales, and taking into account the defensive stats and typing of Gliscor, and that I want to make use of its Sand Veil ability (boosts evasiveness in a sandstorm) what moveset should it have?
If you're using this in-game, try Swords Dance, Acrobatics, Earthquake and Substitute, and give it a Flying Gem.
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Old September 4th, 2013, 01:06 PM
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Simple question: How do I cover a Pokemon's stat weakness?

Example: Gardevoir has low speed, so I need to make it a defensive build. But it has too low defense to be a defensive build. Low defense and speed makes this Pokemon easy to KO by an experienced opponent.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

PS: Gardevoir is only an example, I don't need a build for Gardevoir specifically since that won't help me with other Pokemon with a similar weak point.
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Old September 4th, 2013, 02:33 PM
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Simple question: How do I cover a Pokemon's stat weakness?

Example: Gardevoir has low speed, so I need to make it a defensive build. But it has too low defense to be a defensive build. Low defense and speed makes this Pokemon easy to KO by an experienced opponent.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

PS: Gardevoir is only an example, I don't need a build for Gardevoir specifically since that won't help me with other Pokemon with a similar weak point.
Gardevoir is capable of learning Will-o-Wisp to compensate for its low Defense. 80 Speed is actually very good for a wall and you seem to have forgotten that Gardevoir also has 115 Special Defense:
-Psychic
-Will-o-Wisp
-Wish/Pain Split
-Protect/Heal Bell
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
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Old September 4th, 2013, 05:11 PM
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Gardevoir is capable of learning Will-o-Wisp to compensate for its low Defense. 80 Speed is actually very good for a wall and you seem to have forgotten that Gardevoir also has 115 Special Defense:
-Psychic
-Will-o-Wisp
-Wish/Pain Split
-Protect/Heal Bell
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Trace
1. This build only applies to Gardevoir. This doesn't help the other 300+ pokemon that has similar problem.

2. 80 speed is good, but compared to other speed built sweepers, they can KO Gardevoir before it can get Will-O-Wisp off. I should know, I laugh at Gardevoir with my Uber speed trained Weavile. Without defence, Gardevoir is a sitting duck for sweepers.

3. I already took 115 special defense into account. But any experienced player would not attack Gardevoir with a special move. Physical Bug/Dark/Ghost move can wipe a Gardevoir easily. Not to mention that it only has 68 HP rate, so Gardevoir can't take hits like Blissey, Metagross, or even Lapras.
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Old September 4th, 2013, 05:17 PM
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There's nothing you can do to compensate with "stat weakness" per se. There's a reason you're making a team (unless you're doing 1v1). Let your Pokemon cover each other's weaknesses - i.e. Gardevoir's low Defense stat can be covered by another Pokemon like Skarmory or any other defensively inclined Pokemon.

You want to build a set that underlines a Pokemon's strongest point. When you have a team where each Pokemon covers each other's weak point, then you have a pretty solid team right there. It's about team work, after all.
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Old September 4th, 2013, 06:02 PM
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1. This build only applies to Gardevoir. This doesn't help the other 300+ pokemon that has similar problem.

2. 80 speed is good, but compared to other speed built sweepers, they can KO Gardevoir before it can get Will-O-Wisp off. I should know, I laugh at Gardevoir with my Uber speed trained Weavile. Without defence, Gardevoir is a sitting duck for sweepers.

3. I already took 115 special defense into account. But any experienced player would not attack Gardevoir with a special move. Physical Bug/Dark/Ghost move can wipe a Gardevoir easily. Not to mention that it only has 68 HP rate, so Gardevoir can't take hits like Blissey, Metagross, or even Lapras.
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There's nothing you can do to compensate with "stat weakness" per se. There's a reason you're making a team (unless you're doing 1v1). Let your Pokemon cover each other's weaknesses - i.e. Gardevoir's low Defense stat can be covered by another Pokemon like Skarmory or any other defensively inclined Pokemon.

You want to build a set that underlines a Pokemon's strongest point. When you have a team where each Pokemon covers each other's weak point, then you have a pretty solid team right there. It's about team work, after all.
To add, to what Zeffy said and to give you another example, Scizor uses Bullet Punch to not only ignore its low Speed, but to also pave the way for other Pokemon who appreciate the elimination of Pokemon like Lati@s, Reuniclus and Alakazam.

Pokemon that work particularly well with this Gardevoir include bulky Fighting Pokemon like Hariyama and Poliwrath; they can easily deal with Pursuit users like Absol. Like Zeffy said, physically defensive Pokemon work with Gardevoir as well. If you see a physically offensive Pokemon, now's a good time to get Gardevoir out of the battle, unless the opponent is carrying Pursuit.
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Hi all of you.
I trying to figure it out of my first Uber Pokémon. It's Lugia in it's Shiny form.
It got a pretty ok Nature Timid for it so i decided to EV train both SPA and HP because it have Natural Def and SPdef. It carry Eveolite as it item just to increase it's defense and ti's ability it's Pressure.
Now it's move pool to pic it's any suggested movepool set from you guy can help me.

My idea of a movepool set
Ice Beam
Psyshock
Reflect
Recover

or

Aeroblast
Surf
Substitue
Recover

Any more suggestions from the community of moveset that not from Smogon. Just want something more Creative Idea and trying it out on Pokemonshowdown.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 12:48 PM
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Hi all of you.
I trying to figure it out of my first Uber Pokémon. It's Lugia in it's Shiny form.
It got a pretty ok Nature Timid for it so i decided to EV train both SPA and HP because it have Natural Def and SPdef. It carry Eveolite as it item just to increase it's defense and ti's ability it's Pressure.
Now it's move pool to pic it's any suggested movepool set from you guy can help me.

My idea of a movepool set
Ice Beam
Psyshock
Reflect
Recover

or

Aeroblast
Surf
Substitue
Recover

Any more suggestions from the community of moveset that not from Smogon. Just want something more Creative Idea and trying it out on Pokemonshowdown.
I'm afraid that Lugia is just too weak to pull off an offensive set by Uber standards, though it can use Calm Mind to compensate:
-Calm Mind
-Ice Beam
-Thunder/Whirlwind
-Roost
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers

This set works best in teams that can stack together a bunch of hazards on the opponent's field (take note that it's not used in Smogon often):
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-Whirlwind
-Dragon Tail
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/176 Def/80 SDef
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Old September 5th, 2013, 01:18 PM
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I'm afraid that Lugia is just too weak to pull off an offensive set by Uber standards, though it can use Calm Mind to compensate:
-Calm Mind
-Ice Beam
-Thunder/Whirlwind
-Roost
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers

This set works best in teams that can stack together a bunch of hazards on the opponent's field (take note that it's not used in Smogon often):
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Whirlwind
-Dragon Tail
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/176 Def/80 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Yeah thanks for mention that but i still got some idea that make maybe be more Threatening but need information in the Uber Tier that can be utility support. Still haven't build an Uber team yet.
Thanks for movepool suggestions.
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Can a Vaporeon tank?

Reason why I ask is because in Wifi battle, I hit a Vaporeon with 2 Physical sweepers, 1 of them Super effective, and that Vaporeon survived both attacks with plenty of HP to spare. Not to mention it 1 hit KO both Pokemon suggesting that it has unusually high special attack for a tank build.

I also checked Vaporeon's stats. Even though it has high HP, it doesn't have the defense to back up that health. Anyone has any idea what happened?
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Old September 10th, 2013, 04:09 AM
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Can a Vaporeon tank?

Reason why I ask is because in Wifi battle, I hit a Vaporeon with 2 Physical sweepers, 1 of them Super effective, and that Vaporeon survived both attacks with plenty of HP to spare. Not to mention it 1 hit KO both Pokemon suggesting that it has unusually high special attack for a tank build.

I also checked Vaporeon's stats. Even though it has high HP, it doesn't have the defense to back up that health. Anyone has any idea what happened?
It has high HP and it can utilize 'Hydration Tank' 'Hydration Wall' and 'Trick Room Tank'.
A Bold Vaporeon can reach 240 Def, with 31 IV/252 EV in Defense,
while a Calm Vaporeon can reach 317 Sp. Def, with 31 IV/252 EV in S. Defense.

My suspect is his EV spread were trained for Defense and Sp. Attack mainly or might be with a bit EV in HP as well.
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Can a Vaporeon tank?

Reason why I ask is because in Wifi battle, I hit a Vaporeon with 2 Physical sweepers, 1 of them Super effective, and that Vaporeon survived both attacks with plenty of HP to spare. Not to mention it 1 hit KO both Pokemon suggesting that it has unusually high special attack for a tank build.

I also checked Vaporeon's stats. Even though it has high HP, it doesn't have the defense to back up that health. Anyone has any idea what happened?
To add to what Fiery Dash said, Vaporeon has investment in its Defense alongside its HP to compensate for its low physical Defense, in a similar vein to Blissey in the past. This lets it take weak to moderately powered physical hits.
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Old September 17th, 2013, 03:23 AM
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I have a Hydreigon, Timid 31 IVs on S.A and Spe, naturally 252 on the aforementioned stats.
I'm having trouble to decide which moves to make him learn, I'm using him for Subway and PWT as Sp. Sweeper.
Held Item: usually Life Orb, CSpecs sometimes hate the move for getting locked.

Moveset:
Dark Pulse
Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Surf

*red moves indicate moves that are undecided.

What are his best partners for Subway/PWT (Single, normal battle)?
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I have a Hydreigon, Timid 31 IVs on S.A and Spe, naturally 252 on the aforementioned stats.
I'm having trouble to decide which moves to make him learn, I'm using him for Subway and PWT as Sp. Sweeper.
Held Item: usually Life Orb, CSpecs sometimes hate the move for getting locked.

Hydreigon @ Life Orb
Timid 252 SpA / 4 ??? / 252 Spe
~ Draco Meteor
~ Fire Blast
~ Surf/Focus Blast
~ Roost/Dark Pulse

*red moves indicate moves that are undecided.

What are his best partners for Subway/PWT (Single, normal battle)?
Suggestions in bold.

If you are planning on just using it as a special sweeper I'd recommend replacing either Dark Pulse or Surf with Roost, so that you can heal off the damage that you take from LO etc. Besides, if it is meant to be used in-game it would probably also give you more opportunities to use it. Forgoing Surf leaves you walled by Heatran and Tyranitar, whereas forgoing Dark Pulse doesn't cause you to lose any coverage, so I'd probably use Roost over that. OR you could run Focus Blast (Miss) over Surf, just using a 4 attack set to decimate whatever is in your way. Your choice.

Personally, the only problem I've had with using Hydreigon is its middling speed. You could run a double dragon strategy with Latios/Latias if that is allowed given the strange rules ingame follows, as they are the fastest dragon and they benefit from one another - Lati can take on the fighters that cuts the Hydras fun short, and in return Hydreigon absorbs dark-type moves thrown its way.


Latios @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Timid 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
~ Calm Mind
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Surf
~ Roost / Psyshock


Finally, defensively this leaves you weak to opposing dragon-spam (although tbh they probably wouldn't get to set up if you keep up the pressure), you could run something like Scizor to tank Ice/Dragon/Bug moves thrown your way, with its powerful BP to check things that get out of hand, or maybe something like SD Lucario might work, as its typing and coverage allows it to take on practically everything depending on the set. Good luck!

Lucario @ Life Orb
Adamant 252 Att / 4 Def/ 252 Spe
~ Swords Dance
~ Close Combat
~ Extremespeed
~ Bullet Punch/Ice Punch

BP in the last slot provides you a bit of insurance against Gengar as well, who otherwise ties with and threatens all of your team.

Try it out and see if it works - if it doesn't, we'll work something better out!
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Old September 17th, 2013, 06:42 AM
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To add to Opposite Day's post, I don't think Surf lets Hydreigon accomplish much, besides in-game utility. Besides Roost and Dark Pulse, you can consider U-turn to let Hydreigon escape from unfavorable matchups.
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Old September 17th, 2013, 08:11 AM
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So basically Focus Blast is a better option then Surf? :O
I don't know, because when I use moves that has 80% or below Acc, tend to miss a lot in Battle Facilities (including PWT) but funnily not when using in-game or battling with others real life players, it's not like I'm saying the suggestion is bad... I'm just concerned of... If there is a more secure option.
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Unfortunately, that's part of the risk/reward that you're kinda stuck with. There's not much I can already add that's already been said, but I will say this: keep in mind that Hydreigon's purpose is to deal as much damage as possible and to cover as many Pokemon as it can with its versatile movepool. That being said, I wholeheartedly agree with the changes the Oppo has made. I am indifferent about Surf, as I feel that I cannot completely trust focus blast to take down Heatran if you forgo it. Fire types might also be a problem, but then again, I believe a neutral draco meteor does more damage than a supereffective surf, but this is just a guess.

And honestly, I completely understand your concern! But understand that this applies to just about every single move that doesn't have 100% accuracy; there's always that nail-biting chance that they're just going to miss, but they're useful moves anyway, and you're just going to have to take that risk. Of course, your other option is to run Superpower over Focus Blast, but seeing as this is Specially Offensive Hydreigon and not mixed, this leaves you with not much coverage over other dark/steel/rock types other than aforementioned FB.
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Old September 17th, 2013, 08:39 AM
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Can HP Fighting replace Focus Blast? Or even Earth Power?

I can risk using Focus Blast at other competitive players...
I don't know if it's me, something's odd with these Batttle Facilities...
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Old September 17th, 2013, 10:20 AM
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I suppose you could, but you're not really destroying anything supereffectively with an HP Fighting from Hydreigon. Earth Power is a...half-decent choice I guess. But where would you even fit it? In place of Surf or..? I agree that it could be a good way to surprise Heatran as well as other Rock and Steel types, but FB is vastly preferred due to its power.
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