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Volcanix769
November 22nd, 2011, 04:29 AM
Pikachu has fought so much times, he won all the time, and this time, he loses to Cress. Mud Sport prevents Electric Type attacks, but Pikachu can use Iron Tail and Quick Attack to defeat Panpour, and yet he loses. WTH? A LV 100 vs a LV 14. Same for Trip's Snivy, he lost to a new trainer with a LV 5-15 Snivy(that knows Leaf Tornado), it was really embarrassing. Ash won once against Trip, but Pikachu loses to other Pokemon lower than his level.

NidoJosh
November 22nd, 2011, 04:44 AM
Well it is sort of stupid but I don't think that levels even really exist in the anime?
Chances are even if they did Cress's pokemon would be a much higher level.. after all he is a Gym Leader. That level was just put on because it was the very early stages of the game and you can't expect a low level to win against a level 100 pokemon...

Pokemon just seem to evolve when ever they are ready or need to regardless of how many battles they have won/lost.
Plus there are other things as opposed to just the pokemon's "stats" in the anime. There are its will, feelings etc which also impact greatly on its performance in battles rather than just moves, nature, IVs etc

Well it is sort of stupid but I don't think that levels even really exist in the anime?
Chances are even if they did Cress's pokemon would be a much higher level.. after all he is a Gym Leader. That level was just put on because it was the very early stages of the game and you can't expect a low level to win against a level 100 pokemon...

Pokemon just seem to evolve when ever they are ready or need to regardless of how many battles they have won/lost.
Plus there are other things as opposed to just the pokemon's "stats" in the anime. There are its will, feelings etc which also impact greatly on its performance in battles rather than just moves, nature, IVs etc

Volcanix769
November 22nd, 2011, 04:47 AM
Well it is sort of stupid but I don't think that levels even really exist in the anime?
Chances are even if they did Cress's pokemon would be a much higher level.. after all he is a Gym Leader. That level was just put on because it was the very early stages of the game and you can't expect a low level to win against a level 100 pokemon...

Pokemon just seem to evolve when ever they are ready or need to regardless of how many battles they have won/lost.
Plus there are other things as opposed to just the pokemon's "stats" in the anime. There are its will, feelings etc which also impact greatly on its performance in battles rather than just moves, nature, IVs etc

Well it is sort of stupid but I don't think that levels even really exist in the anime?
Chances are even if they did Cress's pokemon would be a much higher level.. after all he is a Gym Leader. That level was just put on because it was the very early stages of the game and you can't expect a low level to win against a level 100 pokemon...

Pokemon just seem to evolve when ever they are ready or need to regardless of how many battles they have won/lost.
Plus there are other things as opposed to just the pokemon's "stats" in the anime. There are its will, feelings etc which also impact greatly on its performance in battles rather than just moves, nature, IVs etc

I never said anything about evolution.

NidoJosh
November 22nd, 2011, 04:55 AM
Yeah I added something in later and that got out of place.
It was basically about my level point. How they don't play a big role in the anime as seen through pokemon evolving at different rates

miltankRancher
November 22nd, 2011, 08:50 AM
I agree with you here. Considering that Pikachu have defeated 20 gym leaders (Kanto to Sinnoh plus Orange Islands), actually offered to become a Frontier Brain, and he can't defeat the first gym leader of the region. i think this is the producer's way of keeping the series alive. if pikachu is uber strong already, fans would not want 100 episodes of Pikachu winning. there is just no story behind that. also, if we could picture out, Ash's other Pokemon whom he always leave never downgrade.

Volcanix769
November 22nd, 2011, 10:48 AM
I agree with you here. Considering that Pikachu have defeated 20 gym leaders (Kanto to Sinnoh plus Orange Islands), actually offered to become a Frontier Brain, and he can't defeat the first gym leader of the region. i think this is the producer's way of keeping the series alive. if pikachu is uber strong already, fans would not want 100 episodes of Pikachu winning. there is just no story behind that. also, if we could picture out, Ash's other Pokemon whom he always leave never downgrade.

He "won" 32, some wins are by how Gym leaders view on what Ash has did, Erika and Brock did. And yes I do agree.

miltankRancher
November 22nd, 2011, 11:03 AM
wrong multiplication = fail. :\

Pikachu is pretty overrated for my taste though.

Volcanix769
November 22nd, 2011, 01:14 PM
wrong multiplication = fail. :\

Pikachu is pretty overrated for my taste though.

No, he won 32. 8 gym leaders for each region, he beat all of them, and I watched their episodes.

Kenshin5
November 22nd, 2011, 04:38 PM
This is nothing new same thing happened with he tied with Paul Elekid right after he beat Regice. Then lost to Roark whereas Paul won. They have set a trend where they reset so the writers having Pikachu lose isn't really out of ordinary to me. Lame yes, surprising no.

BBA_Beyblader_321
November 22nd, 2011, 09:46 PM
It's pathetic. Say whatever you want, but the animator people over in Japan totally dumbed down the storyline

Volcanix769
November 25th, 2011, 06:12 PM
It's pathetic. Say whatever you want, but the animator people over in Japan totally dumbed down the storyline

This is why I don't watch Pokemon Black and White anymore.

Adryel
November 26th, 2011, 07:44 AM
i think Pikachu's level is always getting reset back to level 1 after he goes into a new region :p

weedle_mchairybug
December 17th, 2011, 05:38 AM
I'll admit that I haven't watched BW at any point, or most of AG or DP, but I will comment from these statements that from the little I've heard of them they are really doing badly in terms of storyline. The only improvements I could think of for BW is that they stopped the skirt chasing gag and they made Team Rocket somewhat more of a threat than before, and maybe Iris not being a FAS, that's it. Even then, that's pretty much because Brock was removed when they could have just tried to, you know, actually alter his personality to not be a Charlie Harper kind of person, or heck, actually have Team Rocket at least try to beat a pokemon that is a rookie, as that would have been more than enough to prove they are more dangerous than before (since their first actual loss, barring Episode 2, was against a Caterpie that was not only completely inexperienced but also at critical health, that would have been a perfect way to show they aren't fooling around anymore), and its still undecided as to whether she is definitively not a FAS (She'd need to be in a situation with FAS's where she doesn't react like them, similar to how Misty didn't react with the FAS's in Princess vs. Princess).

Ash was completely butchered in this series, essentially. He's currently losing at battles that he should be able to beat at a whim, not to mention that at least in the first episode from what I heard, he's actually making rookie mistakes. "Pokemon Master", by this rate, he's becoming the worst trainer ever. At least in DP, he actually seemed like he knew what he was doing. And as evidenced by what Pikachu had to lose against (which isn't entirely BW's fault, as it happened in DP and AG as well, but it is still at least partially BW's fault), this is getting way out of hand. Honestly, the writers/animators either need to get their act together and actually demonstrate that Ash is a veteran, even if it meant giving him something of a Solid Snake-esque personality, or they have to replace him with someone new. And for the record, its also not benefitting the target age group (little kids) either, as AG's ratings sank below the original series, and DP's ratings similarly sunk below even AG's, and I predict that BW's ratings will inevitably sink even further. The only other possibility to the ratings sinking among even the target audience is if Japan is experiencing a birth decline, and its obvious that they aren't.

Volcanix769
December 17th, 2011, 05:44 PM
I'll admit that I haven't watched BW at any point, or most of AG or DP, but I will comment from these statements that from the little I've heard of them they are really doing badly in terms of storyline. The only improvements I could think of for BW is that they stopped the skirt chasing gag and they made Team Rocket somewhat more of a threat than before, and maybe Iris not being a FAS, that's it. Even then, that's pretty much because Brock was removed when they could have just tried to, you know, actually alter his personality to not be a Charlie Harper kind of person, or heck, actually have Team Rocket at least try to beat a pokemon that is a rookie, as that would have been more than enough to prove they are more dangerous than before (since their first actual loss, barring Episode 2, was against a Caterpie that was not only completely inexperienced but also at critical health, that would have been a perfect way to show they aren't fooling around anymore), and its still undecided as to whether she is definitively not a FAS (She'd need to be in a situation with FAS's where she doesn't react like them, similar to how Misty didn't react with the FAS's in Princess vs. Princess).

Ash was completely butchered in this series, essentially. He's currently losing at battles that he should be able to beat at a whim, not to mention that at least in the first episode from what I heard, he's actually making rookie mistakes. "Pokemon Master", by this rate, he's becoming the worst trainer ever. At least in DP, he actually seemed like he knew what he was doing. And as evidenced by what Pikachu had to lose against (which isn't entirely BW's fault, as it happened in DP and AG as well, but it is still at least partially BW's fault), this is getting way out of hand. Honestly, the writers/animators either need to get their act together and actually demonstrate that Ash is a veteran, even if it meant giving him something of a Solid Snake-esque personality, or they have to replace him with someone new. And for the record, its also not benefitting the target age group (little kids) either, as AG's ratings sank below the original series, and DP's ratings similarly sunk below even AG's, and I predict that BW's ratings will inevitably sink even further. The only other possibility to the ratings sinking among even the target audience is if Japan is experiencing a birth decline, and its obvious that they aren't.

I SO agree. That's why I stopped watching the anime.

Railgun
December 17th, 2011, 06:08 PM
Well to be fair Ash and Pikachu were caught off guard when they fought Trip. As foir Cress levels don't matter its experience and I believe Cress is a bit older then Cilan and Ash so he has more skill. Besides I think if Pikachu was shown to be Chuck Norris all the time it would be boring.

PokeRaidenFighter350Z
December 17th, 2011, 06:42 PM
in my opinion, i think the strategies utilized by Pikachu's opponents were his downfall. And Pikachu did NOT defeat the last pokemon on every Gym Battle... I remember that episode on DP during Ash's and Volkner's battle, Luxray was Volkner's last Pokemon and was defeated by Ash's Infernape. And his Buizel defeated Wake's Floatzel. I never watched the B/W series but I think it's skill and strategy that matters in battles, not level.

Railgun
December 18th, 2011, 05:23 AM
As for Paul's Elekid. The Pokemon could of been a very high level but it evolves via friendship. Something Paul never showed his Pokemon much. Maybe when it did evolved it did due to seeing the bond between Ash and his pokemon learning what a true bond is and it gave him hope for his trainer.

Jorah
December 19th, 2011, 01:47 AM
The only other possibility to the ratings sinking among even the target audience is if Japan is experiencing a birth decline, and its obvious that they aren't.

While I agree with most of what I read of of your post, this actually isn't true. Japan's population is an ageing one, where the percentage of elderly people are starting to grow and the birth rate is in decline.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
December 19th, 2011, 05:30 AM
Sometimes level has nothing to do with battling at times, it is more like strategy now and some of the moves that Ash uses for his Pokemon aren't that good for the particular Pokemon he is going against. It's kind of like when he goes against Team Rocket, majority of the time, Pikachu wins and that is because Team Rocket has no strategy when it comes to battling whereas more serious trainers do have a strategy.


:t354:TG

DawnLover
December 19th, 2011, 12:13 PM
levels don't really exist in the anime, but these 2 losses really did annoy me and it's part of the main reasons why I critisize BW.

masterquestmq
December 19th, 2011, 01:10 PM
It may just be me, but what happened to the direction they took during the Johto Saga?
There Ash was really continuing his journey in a sense that the viewers felt like they were watching someone who has experience as a Pokemon Trainer. He was simply building on his experience during that time. after that it seems like every new saga starts ash gets a complete reboot and seems like hes a totally new and raw trainer that has just started his journey. anyways i agree with some views up there stating that levels dont exist in the anime and its more down to technique and strategy. Ash should have more experience than trip without a doubt so losing is still unacceptable at this point.


p/s my 90th post... wow how the years have past.

Volcanix769
December 20th, 2011, 06:18 PM
It may just be me, but what happened to the direction they took during the Johto Saga?
There Ash was really continuing his journey in a sense that the viewers felt like they were watching someone who has experience as a Pokemon Trainer. He was simply building on his experience during that time. after that it seems like every new saga starts ash gets a complete reboot and seems like hes a totally new and raw trainer that has just started his journey. anyways i agree with some views up there stating that levels dont exist in the anime and its more down to technique and strategy. Ash should have more experience than trip without a doubt so losing is still unacceptable at this point.


p/s my 90th post... wow how the years have past.

I stopped watching Pokemon, but I am going to watch that Victini movie.

Killjoy
December 20th, 2011, 07:39 PM
They just did that to keep in interesting. Would it still be interesting/ climactic if pikachu OHKO'd everything in it's way, every battle, every episode, just sweeping through the whole region by it self? Ash wouldn't have any reason to catch new ones, and it wouldn't necessarily make sense.

weedle_mchairybug
December 23rd, 2011, 05:45 PM
While I agree with most of what I read of of your post, this actually isn't true. Japan's population is an ageing one, where the percentage of elderly people are starting to grow and the birth rate is in decline.

So, can you tell me when the increase of elderly people started (what year, at least)? Might as well cross-check to see if that at least contributed to the reason behind the ratings decline. Regardless, even with that reason, the ratings sinking is far below even that to make declining birth rates the reason alone. For one thing, had the ratings been indicative of every single child in Japan at the time, that would imply that Japan was probably headed into the critically endangered zone, which would be ridiculous.

They just did that to keep in interesting. Would it still be interesting/ climactic if pikachu OHKO'd everything in it's way, every battle, every episode, just sweeping through the whole region by it self? Ash wouldn't have any reason to catch new ones, and it wouldn't necessarily make sense.

By that logic, he should have just left Pikachu at Oak's, or heck, just not have it participate in battles at all if they really want to avoid the issue of overpowering it or taking screentime away from the new pokemon being captured. And besides which, if it at LEAST was consistent in regards to Pikachu's power, I would be willing to watch it dominate.

Volcanix769
December 23rd, 2011, 05:46 PM
They just did that to keep in interesting. Would it still be interesting/ climactic if pikachu OHKO'd everything in it's way, every battle, every episode, just sweeping through the whole region by it self? Ash wouldn't have any reason to catch new ones, and it wouldn't necessarily make sense.

I just don't find it fair for a strong Pokemon like Pikachu lose to weaker Pokemon.

Railgun
December 24th, 2011, 07:55 AM
I just don't find it fair for a strong Pokemon like Pikachu lose to weaker Pokemon.

Uh who's saying Panpour us weaker. I swear if the anime was not based of off the games these threads would never happen

Markichuuuuu
December 24th, 2011, 09:11 AM
How boring would the anime be if Pikachu always won? As soon as Ash sent him out we'd know who was gonna win. I prefer it that he loses sometimes.

weedle_mchairybug
December 24th, 2011, 01:02 PM
Uh who's saying Panpour us weaker. I swear if the anime was not based of off the games these threads would never happen

Let's see, the fact that the gym leaders often lose to pokemon that are complete rookies is more than enough to prove that he's weaker? Besides which, Pikachu took down a Regice, a Regice that was also owned by the strongest trainer in the Battle Frontier, not to mention, and its pretty obvious that that character would eat him for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, so Pikachu would have beaten him quickly, even without the whole type issue.

And in the case of Trip, Trip isn't even a Gym Leader, and going by how he reacts to Ash, he's unlikely to have travelled outside of regions, either, meaning he is at best a beginner trainer, so his even beating a pokemon that has... what, five, maybe six years more experience against it, and thus "stronger" is completely poor writing.

I mean, if Pikachu loses, it should lose to something that had at least the same level of experience as Pikachu (like say, an Elite 4 member or even a Frontier Brain).