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Chaskis Sato
December 12th, 2003, 02:20 PM
I just beat FFX2 and am only 70% through the game... So I started the game plus option and has proven to help me get more of the game complete.

Has anyone gotten 100% game compleation the first try?
What was your favorite or un-favorite part of the storyline? Did it lack anything?

I don't want to ruin the game for any one so if anybody who has beaten the game would post before I do, would be very much appreciated... cause I hate spoiling any game or movie to anyone.

Frostweaver
December 12th, 2003, 03:04 PM
well... i do know that Kairi got 99.7% game completion first time (which annoys her a lot)... I don't even have a PS2 ^_^;

Spoiling the many mysteries of FFX2 is as bad as sin (no pun please) itself... but however for most people who got 100% complete along with seeing the perfect ending still ends up in confusion... it's so deep of a story that it's enough to open a university course to study the story or something (tons of theorycrafting for X2 in various message boards)

Kairi
December 12th, 2003, 03:22 PM
Im on my second game. Its sure a lot of fun, although a lot is left unexplained. Unless the perfect ending fills in a lot. I got 99.8% percent first time I believe. Forgot to talk to Tobli in the Moonflow before completing Shave the hypello? When I get to chapter five, Ill make another save. One Ill go strait to the last area and beat the final boss to see the perfect ending. Then Ill use the other save to get all the Episode Complete!s and the last dressphere again, etc.

Chaskis Sato
December 12th, 2003, 09:00 PM
What is your take on Shuyin and Lenne?

You could look at it two ways...
The first way is that Shuyin and Lenne are like Tidus and Yuna (duh) and they protray their affection for each other as Tidus and Yuna did in the first game.

The second way... which is very ify... Shuyin is wearing Tidus's dress sphere and Yuna is wearing Lenne's...not too sure though...

I haven't seen the perfect ending yet but am close to Chapter 3 the second time playing the game, and am close to 80% game completion. So maybe something better happens.

Kairi
December 12th, 2003, 09:08 PM
I'll put spoilers in the title.




*SPOILERS*






I think Shuyin is the "Tidus" who lived 1000 years ago. When Yu Yevon summoned the Dream Zanarkand from the fayth on Gagazet, the memory of Shuyin (Tidus) was different for some reason, maybe because he never left his hate behind. Lenne is just coincidental, that both of them wanted to prevent their partner from throwing their lives away in the name of summoning. Did you see the "Good ending" by whistling at the end after you beat Vegnagun? You can only do this if you did so at the Farplane at the end of chapter three, as well as completing "Meeting with Machen!" in Chapter three at Chateau LeBlanc. This ending brings up more questions but I won't spoil it if you haven't seen it. Did you give the Awesome Sphere to different parties of the course of your games? Doing so is good for %.

Frostweaver
December 13th, 2003, 12:00 AM
since there are spoiler tags anyway...

-when Shuyin and Lenne perishs, Lenne accepts her death and is now part of the Songstress Dress Sphere. Shuyin on the other hand becomes an unsend (perhaps he didn't hear Lenne's last word afterall, which is actually happy ones even though they are to be shot very soon), wanting to use Vegnagun to destroy the world.

-when the dream Zanarkand is being summoned by Yu Yevon, all the "first victims" of sin are "sent" to dream Zanarkand world. This is assuming that sin is the gateway between the real world and dream Zanarkand though. We see that through sin's influence, Tidus is thrown into the real world in FFX, so why can't the people including Shuyin being sent from the real world into dream Zanarkand years ago? This explains why Shuyin cannot proceed with his plans all these years until now when Yu Yevon and dream Zanarkand are destroyed

-Tidus is a creation of fayths as a memory of Shuyin who is currently trapped somewhere within dream Zanarkand. Shuyin will not simply allow himself to be trapped within a dream world for an eternity. Perhaps Shuyin's feeling for vengeance is so strong that it moved the fayths (or influence them, etc...) to creat a "clone' of him so Shuyin won't just simply be forgotton. That clone is Tidus...

"Tidus become real"- possible theory:
-at the end we see Tidus becomes a real person... the message is that "a strong will/home makes everything possible". We see Yuna's strong determination to find Tidus, believing that he's somewhere in the world. This strong determination from Yuna contributes to Tidus's "existence," and eventually made Tidus "real". That is the message from square, but how does the actual thing work out?

Dreams are beliefs from a collection of people. If these people do believe in the dream, the dream exists. If these people deny the dream, the dream is no more. Though Tidus is nothing but a dream and eventually fades away, these people continues to believe in him, making the dream "real again." That's the best valid explanation I can find that's somewhat logical (at least to me). There are tons of other theories out there as well regarding the confusing FF-X2.

John Denver
December 13th, 2003, 12:52 PM
I think Shuyin is what a drunken programmer came up with after a night of too much drinking...

*boggles the mind*

BOO ya!

Chaskis Sato
December 15th, 2003, 01:24 PM
I would agree however, Tidus's father Jecht has been proven to be a real person, being a guradian of Brasksa. So therefore meaning that Tidus is real. He dissapeared because he was not from that time, and Auron dissapeared because he was dead.

Maybe you have something though... Shuyin and Lenne represent Tidus and Yuna's devotion to each other. Tidus and Yuna could not tell each other how they felt before Tidus dissapeared. Just as Shuyin and Lenne could not show how they felt about each other until the end.

Therefore telling Yuna that Tidus knew how she felt and Yuna knew how he felt about. At the end saying it all started with this sphere...

Kairi
December 15th, 2003, 01:35 PM
Jecht was a dream too, until he came in contact with Sin. Tidus did the same, but they still came from DZ and so were both susceptible to the consequences of killing Yu Yevon.



Shuyin and Lenne arent as connected to Yuna and Tidus as I had expected. With the exception of Shuyin looking and sounding like Tidus, there are not many real connections otherwise. A few metaphorical ones but not psychical.

Frostweaver
December 15th, 2003, 02:55 PM
I don't know how much about Jecht at all as I've never played both version (all from theorycrafting ^_^; ). Shuyin+Lenne aren't that related to Tidus+Yuna... maybe except the possilbe Shuyin/Tidus relationship. Yuna and Lenne looking alike are just pure coincidence which is to be frowned upon.... they can make the story even better by drawing connections there.


I still think Tidus = dream from the fayth made in the image of Shuyin... I still need to do a lot more research on Sin's relationship with Dream Zanarkand, and possibly even Auron's role in all of this too to figure out a possible explanation for Jecht.

Keep in mind... If one thousand words can calm a storm, then how is it so unbelievable that a wave of real emotion can make dreams real?

Kairi
December 15th, 2003, 03:07 PM
One thing, when you get Episode Complete at the Zanarkand Ruins, Machen talks to you. He says Yuna has the same handshake as a songstress whos hand he shook 1,000 years agoLennes. Maybe a real connection or another metaphor.

YugiohSlade
December 26th, 2003, 07:11 PM
I just started playing 2 days ago and im on chapter 2 trying to find the 3rd uniform so I can get the sphere from zanarkind back. I beat ffx and it rocks. I am a bit confused about this part in chp. 2, eh, got full throttle and yuna's special dressphere. dunno watta do now so guess i'll work on it some more. get some cheats off the web. it took me 3 weeks to beat FF-x. ff-x-2 is medium between easy-hard if u got hints plzzzz help me

Kenny_C.002
December 26th, 2003, 07:55 PM
I can't wait until this is on PC. I mean, I ain't going to get a PS2 for that. That's my PC's job. :P

YugiohSlade
December 27th, 2003, 10:31 AM
im on ch. 2 lookin for vegnagun in bevelle... eh, under 30% the monsters in that underground thing or watever is hard. I hate flans. in malcalania woods, that big watery thing that chantges elements is impossible to beat. eh, 500 damage 1 attack hardly anything does much damage the most damage delt to it on here was 6 per attack............... how do u use the special dressspheres for paine yuna and rikku? I got them all. ehhhh. my caracters hp is
yuna - around 600
rikku - around 1000-1200
paine- about same as rikku
I have about 47% of paine's warrior dresssphere done but only near 3 abilities left, weird.. ides?

YugiohSlade
December 28th, 2003, 12:41 PM
eh, I found a room after this big machina thing a bit after the fight after doing to towers thing. I got part of the path to this elevator thing or w/e and cant get on it. I need like help

Dizzy
December 28th, 2003, 01:03 PM
Lol Im Getting this Game Tommorow! Yes.. Im a total Yuna Freak and from watching my cousin play it I want it lol.

Chaskis Sato
January 3rd, 2004, 11:05 AM
I have been playing FF X to try and make sense of things again.
Auron is from Spira and Jecht and Tidus are from Zanarkand 1000 years ago. So what I have come to conclude is that Sin from Tidus's time was Jecht, and Jecht became a part of Sin as Braskas guardian to bring Tidus into Spira, so that he could show that his father was not dead, that he didn't die out at sea Jecht was also brought to Spira for a reason...I think...

In relation to X-2 Tidus is Shuyin, Shyuin/Tidus was looking for Lenne the whole time, since Lenne was also a summoner.
Maybe you already figured that out but I think its a good explanation.

YugiohSlade
January 4th, 2004, 10:26 AM
I think I have made soem sense from the concert where shinra made the zanarkand sphere hologram thing. I have not looked on the web. im tryin to piece this together somepeople may have said but o-well.
shuuin was a good guy.
vegnagun was activated by shuuin to help get rid of sin.
instead it backfired and it destroyed zanarkand. vegnagun did not come from bevelle. it shows in ff x the part where u gotta swin to the blue thing. thats where it was. the hole in bevelle was from something else.
the aeons are controlled by shuuin. tidus comes back thinking yuna is lenne and lives the same life almost. if tidus was not a dream and came back real. the same thing would have happened.
I also think a different from that
shuuin hated zanarkand and wanted to rid of it except for lenne. this is al lI can clue together right now.
I cant beat the Magus Sisters in FFX-2 they're soooooooooo hard.. I may have to restart the game. OH. P.S. u know where yuna falls down the dark hole? lands in flowers? finds shuuin? I bet yuna inherits that dress sphere after the game or sometime. I am still downloading the 1,000 words concert in english, long wait plus the one I have is in jap. this concert helps u out a little I think. i AM STILL PIECEING stuff together...........
yuna doesn't sing 1,000 words
shuuin doesn't die I think same with lenne. I think that he is still out there.. :P
ok. im off to start a new game on ffx-2 unless I can get help.. cya

YugiohSlade
January 4th, 2004, 05:53 PM
sorry for the double post but I figured something out. I watching the concert over and over. I think back to the Journeys Start sphere. I think I got this put in a row.
shuyin goes to activate vegnagun when lenne stops him. he goes down and talks to her. some guards or something appear and shoots them. Lenne's soul is trapped in a sphere. same with shuyin. but shuyin has to live!!!! watch the journeys start spear. his words I think are like
LET ME OUT!
I ONLY TRIED TO USE VEGNAGUN TO SAVE LENNE.
WAT WOULD U DO IF IT WAS UR GIRL.
I'm sure that he didn't die after being shot. by being shot.
he was talkin to Jecht in the Sphere I think. I have a feeling. he may have survived the gun-shots. taken to a prison liek place.
I think that some1 else used vegnagun to destroy zanarkand . or sin destroyed it...in the concert. u watch closely. after they been shot. it flashes back. it shows them up in a sky. he turns around and walks away just like tidus in ff-x... I dont figure it out. unless lenne was like yuna and traveled on a similar machina. I may have it wrong that way but I dunno..
I need help beatin the magus sisters
im watching the concert... let me see...
1,000 words. that means 1,000 years.
THE ROOM OF BEVELLE. DOES IT HAVE PURPLE LIGHT IN A CIRCLE ROOM?? if not then vegnagun came from zanarkand.
I am gonna goto bevelle... hmm work on gettin stronger so I can beat the magus sisters. talk l8r

John Denver
January 5th, 2004, 07:02 PM
I think Tidus is actually Sin that came back so it could be close to yuna cause she's so dead sexy...personally I think paine is the hottest but ya know that's just me...

and she's a lesbian, c'mon, it's soo obvious...

BOO ya!

Chaskis Sato
January 6th, 2004, 01:27 PM
With you being a moderator, I'd suggest you stick to the topic... Its not even for sure that Tidus is Shuyin, not to disclude the fact that you have only played 5 minutes of X-2, and have only gotten 3/4 the way done with ten... On a diffrent note, the game is not brought down by the "YRP" the stoyrline is good because of Gipal, Baraeli, and Nooj (How ever you spell their names). Sorry for almost flaming.

YugiohSlade
January 9th, 2004, 10:19 AM
I beat da game with 55% and yuna's special dressphere is only mastered t hats how I beat it.... starting the game plus option

John Denver
January 11th, 2004, 07:54 PM
I was taking about FF-X2 sato wasn't I...however farfetch'd my ideas may be they can also be valid...

maybe tidus is a lesbian just like paine..ya never know, that'll probably further the story line...

and Nooj is Auron...obviously

BOO ya!

YugiohSlade
January 14th, 2004, 02:38 PM
Nooj can't be auron. I done beat this game 2 times..... the guardian monster blockin the road to vegnagun is harder than vegnagun will ever be.. I gave ffx-2 away for some yugioh cards cuz I got tired of the game... ign.com is an awesome place... it has more messages posted on it in 1 week than pokecommunity in a month dude

John Denver
January 14th, 2004, 05:52 PM
c'mon now, I mean Nooj has glasses, Auron has glasses, that right there should tell you there the same person :P :P :D :D

heh, besides, IGN has been around for a much longer time than pokecommunity...

so BOO ya!

I)arkVegnaGun
May 22nd, 2004, 05:10 PM
I beat the game wit 95% percentile mannnnnn I was soooo close but i still cant find the mission that i missed.......... I even beat the last boss in Via Infinito tooo!!! man 3 million hp is too much took me 8 hours straight man that boss is sooooo hard more harcore to beat then guardian b4 fighting vegna gun or emerald in FF7.... well im gonna find out i didnt start new game plus yet....

Shadow
May 22nd, 2004, 06:19 PM
Please refrain from revivng threads....

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