LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexual) anyone?

[Kura]

Kura: But you said in your first post that you wanted to make a straight club, you could have said the you wanted to expand this one to deal with the things you just listed! I feel your pain, I really do, but you're not making any sense.

I agree with you completely, and I think it's wrong that some people think that just because they're gay they're not good enough for us. Or, most likely, we're not good enough for them. It's messed up and stupid, but that's life.

I hope you're not trying to fight.. cause.. I basically brought up wanting a straight club because I felt like well.. if gays have a club, why can't straights have one too? So basically I felt like no one should be left out.

But thinking about it again, I thought that instead of making a gay club for gay people to talk, it'd be better more to have a gay support group, so that ANYONE could join and offer help to people in tough situations about sexuality.

Then I thought about it again and figured.. hell why not just make a club just for all relationship problems whether gay or straight instead of two separate ones.

Hopefully that cleared up me not making any sense.

 

[Vyro]

Darkly: Are you sure about that? Because that would imply that:

A) You're gay and very open about it, in which case you see these people as weak-willed.

B) You think that just because they're gay doesn't mean they should hide it, which could be seen as hypocritical

B. There is no reason for them to hide it.

 

[Esper]

I've been attracted to people of both sexes, but I don't consider myself bi-, pan-, or omni- or anything-sexual. I don't like labels, I like people.

I don't think marriage matters if you love someone, but as long as it exists as an institution and people still want to get married I think everyone should have the option of marrying who they want to.

 

[Objection!]

Darkly: In some cases and areas there actually is. I'm assuming you've picked hypocritical, so I'll elaborate:

Some parents or guardians are strictly against gayness, or are christians, which makes them unreliable sources to confide to.

Many friend groups laugh and joke about gay people all the time. Not in the good way. Would you tell all of your "Haha! He's gay! What a weirdo!" friends if you were gay?

I brought that comment down so much due to the rules here it actually looks fairly ridiculous. Anyways, it's harder for some than it is for others.

 

[Feign]

Yeah to add, people think too much into the reprocussions, it is only natural. Someone not in that position would not understand... Plus there are those who are still in self-denial...

Just think, if you had a fundamentalist Christian family, and they support you otherwise monetarily etc. If you told them you were gay, they'd probably kick you out... We as humans don't want to feel that sort of rejection ever.

 

[インフェルノの津波]

For people like me, since I'm a Muslim, I can't be gay anyway. According to my religions laws, if I become gay, I'm an abomination of the earth.

 

[Objection!]

Ouch. Well, if you're Christian, you're an affront to God. And for Christians, that's basically the same thing as being an abomination of the world.

 

[Harmonie]

Oh yeah, being gay is a sin. Just like a million other things that so many Christians conveniently "forget about".

 

[Dukey]

If you're catholic, it really isn't up to you /shot.

 

[Objection!]

Hey, I'm not saying I agree with them, I'm just saying that's what their ideals are. They're neither good or bad.

 

[Feign]

I plan to tell my mom pretty soon :3

My dad will be another story though... (he believes people chose to be gay).

 

[Objection!]

Well, you do choose. Just like you choose to be straight.

I don't believe in that "love at first sight" stuff. I can understand attraction or lust, but when it all comes down to it, you're making a choice. Those gay jerks at my school pressure kids to change sexuality's all the time, but they don't because they choose to be straight. Just like the bullies choose to be gay.

It may be a matter of opinion on my part, but you're brain can't see one person and process:

"OMG, I LOVE THAT PERSON, I'M TOTALLY INTO _____'S NOW!"

It doesn't work that way, though I do sympathize with you.

 

[DonRoyale]

Yeah, I'm gay. I've had it as one of the points of my signature for a pretty long time now, actually. XD

However, one thing I really hate having to argue is why we shouldn't be afraid of our sexuality and just come out and say it. If you've never had to deal with the weight of keeping such a dark secret from the people you (arguably) care the most about, please don't just blatantly post "you should all just say it"; it's ignorant and, IMO, very rude.

People think it's just a matter of saying it and being done with it. If it were that easy, I would have told my parents right when I figured it out.

At 14, I thought I was bisexual simply because I couldn't accept myself as being homosexual. Now how could anyone expect me to tell my parents, my rather masculine friends, and my overtly "cool" acquaintances, when I'm an insecure teenager in high school, unsure of how anyone would react to it, and having to bear the added weight of homophobic slurs on top of the ridicule I had to put up with? I wasn't ready to tell myself I was gay, much less my parents.

I mean, both know now, but it took me 3 years to tell myself I was gay, and another two to tell my mom; and almost another year after that to tell my dad. A lot of it is insecurity; some people don't understand what's not the norm.

With others, it's simply a matter of the environment you're in. My family is extremely liberal, so thank God both of my parents accept me (pardon the pun), but some families are religious to the point where, if you're upfront about it, you're treated like an animal. It's not the easiest thing to say with how society still views it in general. You might be seeing a lot more widespread acceptance of it, but until we get marriage legalized in the US, it'll be pretty clear on how society as a whole stands on it. As sad a reality as it is, a lot of fear of coming out has to do with society's view on it as a whole, whether you, your friends, or your parents are the ones who share society's view of things.

tl;dr: it's not as easy as you'd like to believe it is. blatantly saying "come out already" isn't gonna make us come out any faster; we'll say it when we're damn well ready, kthnx.

 

[Harmonie]

Well, you do choose. Just like you choose to be straight.

No... You do not choose who you are sexually attracted to.

Why do people even doubt this? I know that some people don't understand what sexuality really means and they think that being able to tell if somebody is attractive or not means that they are attracted to them, but no, we DO NOT choose what sex we are attracted to in that way.

 

[Jesus oƒ Suburbia]

Why do I get the feeling that 'Objection' was made for this thread? >_>
I'm bisexual, I was born like that.
It's just your guardians who make you believe that everyone is straight and ****.
That's my opinion.
Don't kill me for having an opinion. >:

 

[DonRoyale]

Well, you do choose. Just like you choose to be straight.

When will people realize that this is not something you can control? You don't wake up saying to yourself "I'm going to be homosexual today." You are or you aren't. If you've seen someone change, it's likely because they're insecure about their own identity and are trying to find themselves by seeing what they like and what they don't. It's not a matter of choice; it's a matter of finding where you feel you're most comfortable.

I mean, we all love to pick the side of the spectrum where we have to endure being looked at as prissy little queens who take it up the behind, hairstyle every famous artist imaginable, and sound like a fat tramp from the 60's. (I'm sure the female side can paint a more colorful picture than my idea of "butch biker lesbian" as the ridiculous stereotype.)

Rebelling against society's norms, eff yeah!

...Seeing a problem here? I sure am.

 

[Objection!]

No... You do not choose who you are sexually attracted to.

I never said you do. I said you don't automatically choose which gender you would like to most... erm...

Anyway, it's a matter of subconciously deciding what type of person you would most like to be with, and then following up on that.

You aren't born as anything. When you're born you could be the next Abraham Linchon or the second coming of Adolf Hitler. You are influenced and you make decisions.

When will people realize that this is not something you can control? You don't wake up saying to yourself "I'm going to be homosexual today." You are or you aren't. If you've seen someone change, it's likely because they're insecure about their own identity and are trying to find themselves by seeing what they like and what they don't. It's not a matter of choice; it's a matter of finding where you feel you're most comfortable.

I mean, we all love to pick the side of the spectrum where we have to endure being looked at as prissy little queens who take it up the behind, hairstyle every famous artist imaginable, and sound like a fat tramp from the 60's. (I'm sure the female side can paint a more colorful picture than my idea of "butch biker lesbian" as the ridiculous stereotype.)

Rebelling against society's norms, eff yeah!

Yes, you can make your own decisions. You are not born gay or straight, you are not born predetermined to take it up the behind or chase poon. It's all about decisisons.

The way you live your life can influence you, and you can't just run around screaming "I can't control it! Don't look at me, I'm just fate's ragdoll to toss around as she pleases!"

You need to stand up for yourself and say "Yes, I did choose to be gay. I did choose to live this way, and I won't let any of you idiots put me down!"

I'm not saying it''s easy, but you can't use that excuse every damn time.

Why do I get the feeling that 'Objection' was made for this thread? >_>

I wasn't made for anything, I've merely become interested with this thread.

I'm bisexual, I was born like that.

Bullcrap. Read the above.

 

[Shiny]

Scientists have proven that gay people are born like that, and it's not any factor of their choosing.

 

[Objection!]

I don't believe you. Prove it.

And even if they did, how would they explain Bisexuals?

 

[helix]

If I must plaster a title on myself, well, I'm pansexual.
In my opinion, attraction is something that occurs, unrestricted by biological gender or otherwise. It shouldn't be suppressed or denied, and it just happens quite naturally- your tastes align with the person and attraction happens.
I choose to keep my preferences to myself because any sort of same-gender attraction is rejected in the country I live in, and can even be persecuted. I don't want to be judged or stuck with labels merely because I am not exclusive to feeling attraction towards one gender.