6th Gen Official September CoroCoro Discussion Thread -- Mega Evolutions, New Pokémon, More!

[pokerex]

Why are people saying that the mega's are unbalanced. we don't even know how they work yet.

 

[Haza]

I just realized... if these new Megas are too limited, it'll be even more annoying than saying "such and such Pokemon needs an evolution..." I really hope most Pokemon are given a chance to compete with this... imagine MegaSeviper!

 

[DamienHelvian]

Gamefreak is going all out in these games, wouldn't you say?

I first of all LOVE the idea. There hasn't been a single idea that has been introduced that I don't like yet, actually. I am glad that they are introducing this to help banish the idea of new forms. It has been revealed that the Mewtwo form is not a form, but rather a mega evolution, so no forms yet (thank you!). I should mention that this isn't really Digimon-like, but more like alternate evolutions. We need an Absol and Mawile evolutions to start with, since they have been requested for quite some time now. I am glad to see Lucario make use of this feature since it is one of my favorite Pokémon to use in competitive battling and deserves this feature to keep it on top this generation. I'd like to see Ampharos used more in competitive battling as well.

Eh-hem. All giddiness aside, well done Gamefreak. I am looking forward to see even more features announced before the release of the game and perhaps even more mega Pokémon. But most of all, please let us see starter evolutions.

Let's not hope it's ALL, All-out...there needs to be room for new ones, don't you think? XD
Speaking of which, anyone wanna hear my ideas?

I have an idea for the FINALE [at least, saga wise]. So far the games are at least, somewhat parallel to Ash's journey, which is bound to end....I have an idea on how it should go...
Then they can make a new character for a new journey, and start a new saga and a new series of games.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I just realized... if these new Megas are too limited, it'll be even more annoying than saying "such and such Pokemon needs an evolution..." I really hope most Pokemon are given a chance to compete with this... imagine MegaSeviper!

Or Mega Serperior! Or Mega Swampert!
Also I think Dialga and Palkia should get Mega's as they didn't get a new forme like Giratina did.

 

[jfuze174]

I wonder what affects this will have in the anime if all starters get awakened forms does Charizard stay with ash, will ash capture a pokemon just so they can show the new feature in the show still so much that is not explained yet

 

[Austin1395]

Let's not hope it's ALL, All-out...there needs to be room for new ones, don't you think? XD
Speaking of which, anyone wanna hear my ideas?

I have an idea for the FINALE [at least, saga wise]. So far the games are at least, somewhat parallel to Ash's journey, which is bound to end....I have an idea on how it should go...
Then they can make a new character for a new journey, and start a new saga and a new series of games.

True, ALL all out would be bad. Your idea sounds interesting, you have my attention.

 

[Haza]

Ash sees each and ever Pika clone... they're never really relevant other Pikachu befriending them for a moment.

 

[pkmn.master]

Let's not hope it's ALL, All-out...there needs to be room for new ones, don't you think? XD

Absolutely. I hope to see only a few more mega evolutions, but more that that I'd rather see more evolutions to past Pokémon such as Zangoose.

 

[L0RD G3NGAR]

I'd prefer that it's a aability. I really hope they got the item thing wrong.

 

[DamienHelvian]

True, ALL all out would be bad. Your idea sounds interesting, you have my attention.

This isn't the thread for discussing that :P

@Magma, Giratine never 'got' a new form, it ALWAYS had two forms, in both the anime and the games.

@Flame, the item isn't wrong, there is a mega-stone I believe. The Ability concept is more of, the stone will trigger for pokemon with a certain ability...

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Really?

Serebii is listing it as evolutions. Under the X & Y section of the site, on the right hand side, the listing of the Megas is listed as Pokemon Mega Evolutions. Now, sure, Serebii is trustworthy but not 100% accurate all the time.

Not to mention, how can you say it's not fake until an official source confirms it? I feel like you're jumping to conclusions out of bias, as are a lot of people. Like I've already said, I know we just found out about this practically but there are still too many holes and this seems like too complicated of an aspect for a childrens game. I mean for ****s sake, there are hundreds of us debating over this and we can't even decide if they're forms or evolutions. How is a child supposed to figure this stuff out for themselves?

They are listed under "Mega Evolutions" Because that is what their name is. They are still just form changes as Serebii, Bulbapedia, and Pokejungle all confirmed, they only work in battle. That means they are not evolutions. Its just a name for the method relating to these six individual forms.

There are a ton of holes in Fairy Type. How do you know Gamefreak isn't just pulling our legs with them and make all the Fairies into Normal type? There are way more holes in Fairy Types than there are with the Mega Evolution Forms.

As for what it is, Gamefreak says they are New Pokemon, just like Keldeo's Resolute Form....just like Kyurem's Black and White Forms. Just like Shaymin's Sky Form. Those were all new Pokemon. They always introduce anything new, form, evolution, what ever as New Pokemon because they are in a sense a brand new Pokemon. They aren't the same as the Pokemon before. To Children they are new Pokemon and that's all they see.

Okay, fair argument. There is still one thing I've pointed out twice now that has gone unaddressed. And that is the imbalance this will cause.

Again, Fairy types were mainly introduced to keep a hold on Dragons, and to finally put a good balance on the games. Keep all the types with roughly the same amount of strengths and weaknesses, but, then the Megas are revealed and now the balance is off again.

How does a new form mess with Type Balance? I can tell you it doesn't. The only balance they were looking at was through type match up. They introduced a new type to create more balance, adding new forms does not do anything to upset or even change type balance. I'm still not convinced that Fairy Type even balances out anything. Outside of 3 Pokemon, Fairy Types seem pretty weak and not even a threat to what they are supposed to counter. Blaziken has been broken since the inclusion of the Dream World. His new form doesn't change this fact at all, and there isn't anything to counter this as there were no new counters for either Fire or Fighting types.

Lucario got a boost, whether its a good or bad thing will be shown once the meta converts, but I see it as severely OP.

Absol gets a nice boost from the new ability, I don't see Ampharos gaining anything significant from Mold Breaker nor his new Dragon Type while in the new form, if the Dragon Type doesn't extend to his base form as well. Mawile, seems like she may become a continder IF she gets Physical Fairy Moves which seem to be lacking at the moment so she has the same crutch as Marill.

None of these Pokemon may even shift out of their respective tiers even with these new forms. It really doesn't effect the current balance set and won't really have any effect on type balance as the forms don't really effect the type chart at all.

Each pokemon needing a specific item to do mega evo, seems unlikely. They'd likely need all starts finals for megas and I just can't see them making a specific item for each. It should be a ability. Mew also needs one. They're doing so much to mewtwo, but why not the original. I can't see megas being stronger than pseudos ethier, besides the mewtwo. Also they will probally release more megas. So unlikely for specific items. Imo.

Blaziken has a specific item for it. I doubt they all use the Blaziken Knight Item for their Mega forms so it looks as if they will all get Iconic items for them. I don't know if there will be a stat shift. Sometimes its just a redistribution, but this one seems like it may add some stats if there is a stat shift at all.

Each of the new battle forms may have a different level list as well.

@Magma, Giratine never 'got' a new form, it ALWAYS had two forms, in both the anime and the games.

No...sorry dude. Giratina didn't have an alternate form in Diamond and Pearl. Its new form was added in Platinum along with Shaymin's so Giratina did have a form added later in the generation.

 

[Haza]

Main main fear is that we'll get waves of Mega Pokemon with each new game/generation. I don't want to wait for inevitable new Megas. I hope they get them all out of the way NOW.

 

[DamienHelvian]

Absolutely. I hope to see only a few more mega evolutions, but more that that I'd rather see more evolutions to past Pokémon such as Zangoose.

Not just evolutions, some Prevolutions as well are needed.
I think they could have a bit of fun, and make a play on the Kangaskhan-Cubone concept.
Make a baby kangaskhan prevolution, and an evolution-inducing held item that will turn it into cubone.
Or without the item, turn it into a secondary stage, which then evolves into Kangaskhan.
[My idea, Kangan - > Kanghus/Cubone - Kangaskhan/Marowak]

OOH, I had another idea for a Cubone third-evolution, but mega-form could work for that. A sort of, Dual-bone-wielding marowak!

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Serebii mentioned the Mega Stone and the Blaziken Knight as if they are separate items...I wonder if it'll require two items. One in the bag (the Mega) and the unique stone (Blaziken Knight in this case).

 

[JP]

Main main fear is that we'll get waves of Mega Pokemon with each new game/generation. I don't want to wait for inevitable new Megas. I hope they get them all out of the way NOW.

Doubtful. :( I can definitely see this becoming a bit of a problem in that sense. More and more Megas, with less and less completely new Pokemon, which I would really hate. I was already a bit worried when this stuff started leaking today, seeing all these new Megas and only 3 completely new Pokemon, makes me a bit worried at the number of completely new Mons' this generation... I guess only time will tell. Could ultimately end up just being like the regular Pokemon Formes, and only seeing a few each generation, but just can't be sure I guess.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Main main fear is that we'll get waves of Mega Pokemon with each new game/generation. I don't want to wait for inevitable new Megas. I hope they get them all out of the way NOW.

Well, this seems like it may be a gimmick for X and Y so there is a good chance that they will post all the Mega Forms now, and only update when new Pokemon come in. I'm pretty sure this is 99% wrong though since Gamefreak does what ever the hell they want when it comes to adding to Pokemon. This new thing is only proof that they do what ever they like.

I can see them giving us more Megas once the games are released and then update later generations when they seem fit, just like they always do.

 

[DamienHelvian]

No...sorry dude. Giratina didn't have an alternate form in Diamond and Pearl. Its new form was added in Platinum along with Shaymin's so Giratina did have a form added later in the generation.

Only in the games, both forms were shown in the same movie in the Anime. The only thing Platinum did was introduce an item the allowed Giratina to change between the forms.

@Magma, that is a good idea. You might be able to get the pokemon with its item through an event, like the first one, Torchic, but, to help with the game [i mean, having mega-blaziken available so early on...kind of a cheap way to win at gyms, don't you think?] But then get the Mega-stone, at some point in the game, like as part of the storyline, or a post-champion quest.

 

[Haza]

Serebii mentioned the Mega Stone and the Blaziken Knight as if they are separate items...I wonder if it'll require two items. One in the bag (the Mega) and the unique stone (Blaziken Knight in this case).

OMG... MRAS... the Megastone is just the generalized term for the items like Blazikenite...

And I feel like the Mega Pokemon are purposefully made to look epic... almost on the level of epicness as the most epic legendary Pokemon. What if they were translated to "Legend Formes" or something? Haha... wishful thinking.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

If they are to limit them then I see only the other two Hoenn starters, Deoxys, and possibly the Hoenn mascots gaining Mega formes.

I noticed that Gen V has no Mega... Gen I has Mewtwo, Gen II has Ampharos, Gen III has Blaziken,Absol, and Mawile, Gen IV has Lucario... So a Gen V Mega would be good. Also if Mega's are based on popularity then Gen III's Pokémon must be the most popular as they have 3 and Gen V the least as they have none xD.

 

[Clawvile]

Serebii mentioned the Mega Stone and the Blaziken Knight as if they are separate items...I wonder if it'll require two items. One in the bag (the Mega) and the unique stone (Blaziken Knight in this case).

I think that you must have the Blaziken knight on the blaziken and then use the mega stone on it