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The true love stuff is a lie.

Charcoal92

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Okay, I'll admit love to me is a huge waste of time. All I see is this and I know some people agree. When I never did anything wrong in the relationship, but I get hurt. True love is a total waste and I have the facts to prove it. 45 percent of guys and girls act on (lust) not love. The girl with the curves or the guy with money and muscle. This is where I gave up. Knowing I'm not going to be a poser and be me. This is where people don't get it! I am angry and it's why love is fake!


And for all of you acting like I never tried you are wrong.... I did.....


Mod edit: To get more of a discussion going: Do you agree that love isn't worth the hurt? Do people mostly act out of lust rather than love?
 
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Lust seems to be the standard for love. Not just in the general populace, but also on these forums.

I agree with you that love is something else entirely, but you and I are of a rare breed.
 

KittenKoder

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Ah, the fallacies of romance, how quaint. The main fallacy is thinking that any modern human can actually "love" the same person for their entire life the same way they did the first few days. Sure, back when we were dying in our thirties and forties it was easy to keep that feeling alive your entire life, but now we're talking a century of life.

Love is actually a strong attraction to a specific set of traits. The strong reaction is then fueled by the need to reproduce, common in most species incapable of asexual reproduction. The brain then signals the production of a set of chemicals which produces the aesthetic feelings we associate with the idea of "love."

In short, it's a chemical reaction in the brain. What all that means is that it changes, and can change a lot, throughout your life. It also means that lust is love, just looked at from different perspectives. It is a real thing, but you must also acknowledge that things are not always what they appear.
 

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I will take the opposing view and say lust is not love. Lust may sometimes fuel the initial attraction for what develops into love, but that is only one factor, if that, of love. And I know you guys are smart people and aren't generalizing this as the way everyone thinks, to such a degree that it's a universal truth are you?
 

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I feel like love, to me, is a virus. It takes over your mind, affecting your decisions and actions. I've seen it happen to people, where they become controlled by love and either make horrid choices, or just screw up who they are. THEN, since they were young and of course there's like a 90% it ain't gonna last, they broke up and were all glum and stuff and then I played their psychologist and they just talked and talked about how sad they were. So in conclusion, not only the hurt, but the lack of control and constant requirements to "keep yourself in check" are just too illogical and mentally tolling, for me at least. Coincidentally, a song just came on the radio about someone who was "trapped" by love and is going insane.
 
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@Kitten

You are speaking as though physical and emotional attraction are the same thing.
Yes, love is a product of chemical reactions in the brain, but there is psychology to it as well as chemistry.

Lust = Purely physical attraction.
Love (in the romantic sense) = A combination of physical attraction and a strong emotional connection. I would also go as far to state that the emotional connection is the more important element, at least in the long run, since the majority of us would agree we also love our close friends and family. Which brings me to say

Love (General) = Strong emotional connection.
Love (Romantic) = Strong emotional connection + Physical Attraction


I will agree that, unfortunately, more people these days go for lust. But I think in the long run actual (mutual) love is a lot more rewarding. It provides a long-term happiness and security that sexual flings do not.

As for not being able to love the same person for that long, I see it happen. To suggest that a longer life-span does something to hinder monogamy isn't ridiculous but to suggest it renders us incapable of such a thing is.

@Sandshrew - I can appreciate that view. It is true in a lot of ways, we all do stupid things when we love someone - or hell even just think we do (and this is coming from someone else who is the "psychologist" in his social circle) - but that just comes to the point of "Is it worth it?" and quite frankly I think that the chance of finding something truly special is worth the risk.

Look at this way, there's a lot of temporary pain involved in finding long-term happiness. Of course, this won't always be the case but I think pursuing happiness is a good thing.
 

Pike Queen

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I definitely agree that people act out of lust. Then when they get to know the person, it's all over. I see it way too often. I also agree that love is not worth the hurt. Most of the time people just end up feeling even more worthless than before.
 

Sandshrew4

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"Is it worth it."
Ah, that's where it gets tricky. Think of the game of love as a lottery. You buy a ticket (invest time in someone), and one of two things will happen. Either you'll win or you'll lose. If you lose, you're bound to try again, perhaps keep trying and trying until you become near broke. While that isn't often the case, it can happen. However you can also "win big" and have enough money (love/happiness) to sustain you for the rest of your life.

Now when someone is at the point where they are considering "buying their first lottery ticket" or "buying another one," whether it's worth it or not comes down to the individuals morals, values, and personality. Assuming they find true love, then marry, will it last? If it doesn't, will they be willing to divorce? What does the individual value more? A safe, sheltered life, or a life in which they "go big or go home?" Is the person happy when alone? Or do they require company? These questions and more are what is taken into account when one person asks themselves "is it worth it?"

That's just my take on it anyway, knowing myself I've probably got it upside down XP
 
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Okay, I'll admit love to me is a huge waste of time. All I see is this and I know some people agree. When I never did anything wrong in the relationship, but I get hurt. True love is a total waste and I have the facts to prove it. 45 percent of guys and girls act on (lust) not love. The girl with the curves or the guy with money and muscle. This is where I gave up. Knowing I'm not going to be a poser and be me. This is where people don't get it! I am angry and it's why love is fake!

And for all of you acting like I never tried you are wrong.... I did.....

As the infamous saying goes: if at first you don't succeed, try, try again!

I was in two prior relationships before I found, and fell in love with, my boyfriend. The love we share goes far beyond the physical. There's a deep emotional connection between us that simply cannot be described in words. I would call this love, not lust. Though, to be sure, as far as the physical aspect of our relationship goes, lust plays a very big role in our lives.

A relationship is a two-way street. It takes two people to make it work. You are in the position you are in because both of you did not work at it enough. You may think you did, but obviously you didn't. And neither did your ex. Getting hurt is the risk we all take whenever we get into any kind of relationship, whether it be platonic or romantic. And even the love one has for family can lead to getting hurt, especially if you loose someone in your family.

I also don't think you truly mean that love is fake. Because if you really thought that, then you would have no love for your friends or your family. You are acting out of anger and frustration. When you've calmed down you'll be able to approach what happened rationally and not emotionally. Take some time for yourself and then ... try, try again!
 

xVaporeon

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Lust is not love.
It may sound cheesy, but lust is when you want someone - love is when you need them.

I don't think love is a 'waste of time'. One day, you may meet someone who loves you for you - and not be immediately unattracted because of the lack of 'muscles and money'. Myself, along with many of my friends at least, don't get attracted to someone, just because they have money or muscles.

Although, I do believe lust can develop into love.
 

KittenKoder

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@Kitten

You are speaking as though physical and emotional attraction are the same thing.
Yes, love is a product of chemical reactions in the brain, but there is psychology to it as well as chemistry.

Lust = Purely physical attraction.
Love (in the romantic sense) = A combination of physical attraction and a strong emotional connection. I would also go as far to state that the emotional connection is the more important element, at least in the long run, since the majority of us would agree we also love our close friends and family. Which brings me to say

Love (General) = Strong emotional connection.
Love (Romantic) = Strong emotional connection + Physical Attraction


I will agree that, unfortunately, more people these days go for lust. But I think in the long run actual (mutual) love is a lot more rewarding. It provides a long-term happiness and security that sexual flings do not.

As for not being able to love the same person for that long, I see it happen. To suggest that a longer life-span does something to hinder monogamy isn't ridiculous but to suggest it renders us incapable of such a thing is.

They are purely physical (chemical) reactions, all of them. If you are talking about the strong relationships we forge through our lives then you are talking about a different topic than the OP, and it becomes nothing more than a game of semantics. The word "love" is merely a label for a collection of emotions, which are results of chemical reactions, in any given situation, it's subjective because of that fact.

Romantic live is based entirely on sexual attraction, if there was no attraction to the person then there would be no need for the romantic portions at all. The fact of the matter often ignored is that emotions are specific chemical responses in the colony of single celled organisms that make up the whole "person," or complex organism. People may like to think there is some magical force or such for things, but the sooner they face the reality that there is none, the sooner they can except the disappointments inherent with chemical processes meeting the logical processes of the brain.
 
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You know, I don't think I've ever met a person who thinks about the chemical reactions going on within our bodies when we fall in love, or become infatuated with someone. It may not be magic that we feel, but often how we feel is magical.
 

txteclipse

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KittenKoder, I disagree with you on love being strictly chemical. It may start with attraction or "a feeling" (and often does), but to persist it needs to become something more than that. Real, relational love takes a lot of hard work to maintain, and has less to do with chemicals and more to do with making the decision to actively love that person every moment of every day. Love also exists that is not based on attraction or feelings for the most part, such as familial love and love of mankind. That's why you can be really angry at a parent or sibling and still love them when you come around.

That being said, I do not subscribe to the whole "true love" thing. I think love is a commitment you make, and a process you undertake, to care about someone else more and more. I think people can be more and less compatible, but I don't believe in having one true love.
 

KittenKoder

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KittenKoder, I disagree with you on love being strictly chemical. It may start with attraction or "a feeling" (and often does), but to persist it needs to become something more than that. Real, relational love takes a lot of hard work to maintain, and has less to do with chemicals and more to do with making the decision to actively love that person every moment of every day. Love also exists that is not based on attraction or feelings for the most part, such as familial love and love of mankind. That's why you can be really angry at a parent or sibling and still love them when you come around.

That being said, I do not subscribe to the whole "true love" thing. I think love is a commitment you make, and a process you undertake, to care about someone else more and more. I think people can be more and less compatible, but I don't believe in having one true love.

If it takes a "lot of hard work to maintain," then you are saying it's not something that exists on it's own anyway, that makes it artificial, a construct. Decisions are also chemical processes, well, chemical and electrical processes really. Thus if it is a decision, it's still just a chemical process.

If it is not based on attractions, then what is it based on? If you cannot find a better explanation then the simplest one is the correct one, that makes it based on attractions. Of course, if you remove the attractions for the love that entail mating, then you also remove the mating, and thus it becomes nothing more than an artificial construct again.

Love without mating is not definitive, I know many people who hate one parent, or both, and some who hate their entire genetic families. That means what you are calling love there is in fact a decision, thus it is a chemical and electrical process. I know many parents who also honestly hate one or more of their offspring.

Everything about life is chemical and electrical processes, everything. All emotions are quantifiable as such, and pretty well understood. The things we call "emotions" are really collections of physiological responses to given stimuli, for love it is either attraction or an active choice as the stimuli, the responses included are different depending on the culture and which type you are talking about.

The thing I find funny is that people seem to think adding some mystery to how something works makes it more meaningful, seems we are still stuck on elevating ignorance at this point. But the chemical processes involved in the emotional reactions of a complex organism, such as homo sapiens sapien, is one of the most incredible and fascinating, and very beautiful, things on this planet. Once you see the cascading effects of the chemicals and hormones released by the various cells, the processed by other cells to produce different chemicals and electrical signals ... you gain a special appreciation for emotions and find yourself taking them for granted less.

Consider those with the genetic sequence for physical attractions to others of the same species, the visual, audio, and olfactory signals are processed by the brain. These signals cascade through the neurons, eventually ending at the neurons that cause the release of a series of chemicals that get transported by the blood. Those then trigger other various metabolic and physiological changes resulting in a slightly elevated heart rate, causing an increase in temperature, resulting in a response from the sweat glands and "blushing" of extremities. The neural pathways involved, alone, are a wonderful fractal like maze, visualized by a network of flashing sparkles, as they cascade through the network, each point weighing in on which way the signal should progress, until finally resolving itself into the neurons responsible for responses to stimuli.
 

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I don't think that people act primarily out of lust. I think people are conditioned at a young age to believe that certain relationships are 'love', when they're not. People are conditioned to think "love" is attraction plus some form of happiness, and I don't thing that's really true. I don't know if what we perceive as "love" really is love all the time, but that's what I think -- that people act primarily out of what they perceive to be 'love', whether correct or incorrect.

As for whether love is worth it: absolutely. Yes, it's associated with pain. Yes, it often ends terribly and ruins friendships and what-have-you. There are costs, of course, to engaging in relationships. But the rewards are good, too. If you find someone willing to put up with you who will communicate with you and put in effort to make your relationship work for a long time, then... the happiness resulting from that, I think, is worth the struggle to get there.

That being said, I don't think there's any such thing as "true love". There isn't one person out there for you -- there's seven billion of us and I highly doubt the percentage of people compatible with any one person is seriously 1/7,000,000,000. The truth is that lasting love involves work and effort and communication from both parties, so even ones who are "incompatible" might be very happy together if they put in work to make the relationship last. That's "true love".
 
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@Kitten - You don't put enough stock in psychology. What you are talking about is all attraction. which is a part of love but it is not the same thing. I am not childish enough to pretend there is some sort of magical force (to use your phrase) pushing two people together but an emotional connection isn't something that you get just because you want to make babies.

Here's a reminder for you - you don't need to love someone, or even lust for them, to reproduce with them.
 

twocows

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Romantics are out there, we're just fewer in number these days (especially among we males, it seems).

What people know of and speak of as "love" is often times an amalgamation of three separate (but often intertwined) things: romantic love, lust, and desire for procreation. I don't think any of these things is inherently bad, but a lot of people get hurt because one person is looking for one or two of these and the other is looking for another.

As someone who seeks the former of those three more than anything and someone who was utterly crushed several years back as a result, I still believe it's all worth it. It can be hard to find a relationship that works and even harder if that relationship doesn't work out, but sadness in life is inevitable. Happiness, however, is not, and is something you often must actively pursue. And even if things don't work out, it doesn't mean that the happiness you experienced was false or not worthwhile (quite the contrary; you wouldn't be so shaken up if it was). If things go south, remember how you felt when things were good and contrast it with how you feel now, and use that as fuel to work toward forging a new happiness (and perhaps you'll even appreciate it more when you attain it again, knowing the other extreme).

It's a bit late and I'm tired, so I know I'm not really making as coherent a post as I usually do, but I think I can summarize my thoughts on this with the phrase "nothing ventured, nothing gained." Of course, that doesn't mean you can't be happy without a relationship (I'm not in one and I'm more or less content), but that doesn't mean you shouldn't pursue a state of greater happiness. If one or more of those three things I mentioned might make you happier, I think you should go for it, risks and all. The pursuit of personal happiness is an important endeavor; you live but once, it only makes sense to try to make the best of your time. I hope that all made sense.
 
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txteclipse

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The thing I find funny is that people seem to think adding some mystery to how something works makes it more meaningful, seems we are still stuck on elevating ignorance at this point.

The problem in this case is that there is mystery. We do not fully understand how the brain works, not by a long shot. Human emotion, memory, and consciousness are not currently reducible into a set of rules. We do not have a model for them, nor can we simulate how they work. We have a rudimentary idea of the mechanisms involved, but we have next to no understanding of how those mechanisms interact to form a mind.

You are welcome to believe that the whole of human consciousness is a series of chemical interactions and electricity. However, that doesn't explain anything. Beyond that, it doesn't assign value to anything, which is what people in this thread are trying to do. Chemical reactions and electricity and the knowledge of them are neutral. People are not neutral. We make judgments and have desires and preferences and thoughts and emotions. Therefore I personally think it is ignorant to simply assume that consciousness and chemistry are one and the same. The connection is not yet understood. If I asked you "teach me how to show my fiancée that I care about her," you wouldn't pull out a chemistry book.

Also:
If you cannot find a better explanation then the simplest one is the correct one
This is not how Occam's Razor works. From Wikipedia (emphasis my own):

"The razor states that one should proceed to simpler theories until simplicity can be traded for greater explanatory power. The simplest available theory need not be most accurate."

Validity of Occam's Razor aside, just because we don't have a thorough understanding currently does not mean our simplest theory is correct. If that were the case, we could go find some buffoon on a street corner and make the world of physics a whole lot more simple. Oftentimes, the best explanations for systems are extremely complex, especially in biology.
 

pixelrynn

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You know, I don't think I've ever met a person who thinks about the chemical reactions going on within our bodies when we fall in love, or become infatuated with someone.
That's an interesting statement. I think the awareness of the infatuation itself is skipped over or at least pushed until later during the process of forming one.
 
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