Arceus The Real God?

[Toutebelle]

I do not believe that Arceus is meant to be the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God. My reasoning is that Nintendo would not want to offend more religious players. Arceus is probably closer to a chief god of an ancient polytheistic system, like Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Anu, Ra, Ahura Mazda, or Ba'al. In my fanfics, Arceus is portrayed as a Pokemon that is beyond human comprehension, and that its physical appearance is merely the form that it uses around humans. Characters in my fanfics do not know much about Arceus.

 

[Trainer VyNk]

This conversation reminds me of my religion Hinduism, where there are a lot of gods but there are 3 main one, like Bramha (Arcues) and Dialga and Palkia (Vishnu or Shiva, depends on which one destroys and creates) Then again, there is Giratina, and its 6 tentacle-things, 6 crowns-things on its neck, and 6 spikes on the side of its bosy, not to mention it kind of behaves like the devil.

So your Hindu too? hello bro, I'm from India as well.

though, Shiva maybe Arceus then haha. {XD}

but let me tell you I'm 14 though I've gained quite knowledge about pokemons ;)

And don't forget to Discuss and post helpful things about Arceus.

 

[Trainer VyNk]

I do not believe that Arceus is meant to be the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God. My reasoning is that Nintendo would not want to offend more religious players. Arceus is probably closer to a chief god of an ancient polytheistic system, like Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Anu, Ra, Ahura Mazda, or Ba'al. In my fanfics, Arceus is portrayed as a Pokemon that is beyond human comprehension, and that its physical appearance is merely the form that it uses around humans. Characters in my fanfics do not know much about Arceus.

Yeah, Nintendo doesn't offend religious players such as me.

you've gained much knowledge :)

keep giving waves of theories until 7th Generation which will bring New GOD haha {XD}

Thanks for posting here!

 

[Taiji Dragon]

This conversation reminds me of my religion Hinduism, where there are a lot of gods but there are 3 main one, like Bramha (Arcues) and Dialga and Palkia (Vishnu or Shiva, depends on which one destroys and creates) Then again, there is Giratina, and its 6 tentacle-things, 6 crowns-things on its neck, and 6 spikes on the side of its bosy, not to mention it kind of behaves like the devil.

Arceus is like Brahma in the sense that both are creators but Palkia nor Dialga do the functions of Shiva nor Vishnu.
They represent two aspects of creation being Space and Time. Giratina is also another aspect of creation being anti - matter that goes hand in hand with our universe's matter. From Arceus also came forth spirit that has three characteristics: consciousness, sentience and willpower. It's embodiments being Uxie, Mespirit and Azelf respectively. The way I see it is that Palkia, Dialga and Girarina are embodiments of their respective themes. Each one has a dimmension that conjoin to form the universe where pokemon dwell. The spirits allow that those who live in the universe feel and therefor live the experience of existence. The six of them are manifestations of Arceus were one set represent physical manifestation and the other represnts spirituality.

There is also an unseen pokemon in the myths of Unova refered to as the original dragon. It is the original form of Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem. And it represents presence of yin and yang in balance. If it was present in the games its energy could surpass Arceus in both Attack and Special Attack but I doubt that it has the same degree of creative powers that Arceus has. I'm sure it can change the atmosphere to create the ideal conditions to form an ecosystem but it can also with that ease destroy them. It stands for principals. Yin and Yang refered to as ideals and truth in game. The Yin and Yang are the innate forces of nature that are opposite to each other but complement themselves. One stand for female another for male. They also represent softness and roughness, inactive and active, dark and light, ect... This pokemon is closer to the concept of Vishnu as it is something that always was. The only thing is that before the universe yin and yang had another form. There was no distinction between the two were it was boundless and infinite.

The Kalos legendary trio represent life, destruction (death) and order. The last two being similar to Vishnu and Shiva. They are called Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde. Xerneas cannot create to the degree that Arceus can but it can grant eternal life and it can create vast forests using its power. Yveltal takes life away and makes it its own. It is said to destroy like Shiva. Zygarde represents order between life and death. When the ecosystem falls into dissaray it summons forth its hidden power and restores the ecosystem. It is more like Vishnu in a sense were it preserves.

I hope this didn't sound like a lecture. I really like pokemon myths and know about them aswell as somethings from real world myths. I just wanted to point out that Dialga and Palkia do not represent preservation and destruction. Perhaps they do preserve each of their own dimmension but it's not like Vishnu does. And Trainer I hope I don't feel like I'm bothering anyones ways of thinking.

Originally a post from Tao Trio's Original Form. Something I decided to move from an old thread since it fits more accurately with this one. Its my old hypothesis on Arceus and the original dragon. I later changed to the belief that Unown created Arceus and together they created the universe.

Spoiler:

Also although not in Judeo- Christian believes in Hinduism there is a creator god called brahman that created the universe with his own body. Him being the universe. He has a counterpart called Shiva that destroys in order for brahman to be able to create more so it wouldn't be fix all the time and bring change. Vishnu is representative of the stuff of god the basic element that is always preserved so there is always continuity. The creator has a life span and at the end he dies and shiva reduces everthing to nothing. Only Vishnu is left asleep. Until he awakens to produce another creator.

Arceus= Brahman
Vishnu = the original dragon

Arceus has judeo christian traits from god in the sense that it can change types being who ever and what ever he wants to be when he want to be. The power to create from nothing. Both created the universe. But Arceus can die and the universe won't fade away if it dies (movie referance). There is nothing stronger than God but Arceus has this dragon surpassing it. The only thing that fits is that Arceus is made out of this ultimate energy that is embodied by the dragon.

Edit: Or they are two different and separate deity like monsters. Is not uncommon that there are more than one god in different religions. Arceus is the power of creation and the original dragon is just an universal force that represent truth and ideals. Yin and Yang also being spirituality and physicality. Although it has potential monstruos power perhaps surpassung Arceus in that aspect I doubt that it has the ability to create in the manner that Arceus does. Also Deoxys has monstrous Attack and Special Atrack when in Attack form and it's not even considered a diety just the mutation of an extraterrestrial virus. So I don't believe anything invalidates that Arceus is the creator of the universe in a ficticious reality.

 

[Elements1]

There is also an unseen pokemon in the myths of Unova refered to as the original dragon. It is the original form of Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem.

Well why can't the original dragon be Arceus? If the myths on Arceus are true, then didn't he create all three of the Unova legendary's plus he is the strongest legendary so wouldn't that match up with the Unova theory?

 

[Trainer VyNk]

Well why can't the original dragon be Arceus? If the myths on Arceus are true, then didn't he create all three of the Unova legendary's plus he is the strongest legendary so wouldn't that match up with the Unova theory?

Here In this picture, there's a ? Above Dragons..

What could he/she/it be?

any ideas?

 

[Taiji Dragon]

Here In this picture, there's a ? Above Dragons..

What could he/she/it be?

any ideas?

I'm having this exact discussion in another thread in who came first mew or arceus?

 

[Elements1]

I'm having this exact discussion in another thread in who came first mew or arceus?

Right? I'm getting confused which is which now :P

Hmm the original dragon could possibly be Chaos? Out of Chaos came truth, ideals and the emptyness of life without either. Probably a longshot :P

 

[Trainer VyNk]

I'm having this exact discussion in another thread in who came first mew or arceus?

Ok I'll give that a go. but don't forget to post here sometime.

Anyway, check out the main page. I'll be adding New Topics here so always check which topic is being discussed.

 

[Taiji Dragon]

Here In this picture, there's a ? Above Dragons..

What could he/she/it be?

any ideas?

Hey Trainer. I read your question more clearly the ? Is the unseen Original Dragon that is only mentioned in Unova myth. I have mentioned it various times in this thread. You can reread the posts if you want.

 

[Trainer VyNk]

Hey Trainer. I read your question more clearly the ? Is the unseen Original Dragon that is only mentioned in Unova myth. I have mentioned it various times in this thread. You can reread the posts if you want.

That Post which I made earlier was for others who are seeing this thread.

however, Any assumptions on who could be Original dragon or how it may look?

 

[Elements1]

Could the original dragon could possibly symbol Chaos? Out of Chaos came truth, ideals and the emptyness of life without either. *Could* make sense, what do you guys think? What is your idea Trainer?

 

[Taiji Dragon]

That Post which I made earlier was for others who are seeing this thread.

however, Any assumptions on who could be Original dragon or how it may look?

Could the original dragon could possibly symbol Chaos? Out of Chaos came truth, ideals and the emptyness of life without either. *Could* make sense, what do you guys think? What is your idea Trainer?

I believe it symbolizes balance between yin and yang.

 

[Elements1]

But the Yin and Yang repersent opposites that are similar, correct? Like not one is bad and good, both have a bit of each. So I can see how that works with Zekrom and Reshiram but how does Kyurem fit into it?

 

[Trainer VyNk]

Could the original dragon could possibly symbol Chaos? Out of Chaos came truth, ideals and the emptyness of life without either. *Could* make sense, what do you guys think? What is your idea Trainer?

Could be Possible, because Chaos Bring or brought Egg of Arceus..

though, I don't think Nintendo will Spoil anything 'cause they are extremely concerned about Arceus and Original Dragon Theory

However, I think White kyurem and Black Kyurem already Represents Yin & Yang.

 

[Taiji Dragon]

But the Yin and Yang repersent opposites that are similar, correct? Like not one is bad and good, both have a bit of each. So I can see how that works with Zekrom and Reshiram but how does Kyurem fit into it?

Kyurem perhaps is the most important aspect in recreating or restoring the original dragon. It is refered to as the empty shell of the original dragon meaning it must have been its center piece the one who holds yin and yang together. Reshiram represent yang in its pure state and Zekrom represent yin in its pure form however Kyurem is empty devoid of both. Meaning: it can be filled with that that it lacks. It seems someone in ancient times deviced a way to fuse Kyurem with either dragon by creating the DNA Splicers. It appears that it can only fuse it with either dragon and not both. Perhaps they couldn't develop the item further or there is a more natural way to restore them to their original form. To recap Kyurem is the empty cup. Zekrom and Reshiram are the substance. When both are put inside the cup it makes a whole. To clarify Kyurem also represents the empty circle of yin and yang. You just have to put yin and yang to make the tao symbol. Most probably the original dragon represent balance or taiji supreme ultimate.

 

[Meksal]

Remember, pokemon religion isn't exactly like christianity, so there could be two supreme gods, the creator (arceus) and the populator (mew).

 

[Elements1]

Bluestone's post reminded me about greek gods and such so who would win in a fight? Mew or Arceus? History is told by the winner's therefore what if both Arceus and Mew were to fight and the winner would be declared first created.

 

[Trainer VyNk]

Bluestone's post reminded me about greek gods and such so who would win in a fight? Mew or Arceus? History is told by the winner's therefore what if both Arceus and Mew were to fight and the winner would be declared first created.

Then Arceus will Win depending on his/her/its Base Stats.

So Arceus has Total 720 Base Stats on 100 level

OTOH, Mew has Total 680 Base Stats on 100 level

So its clear.. who would win {XD}

 

[Elements1]

Then Arceus will Win depending on his/her/its Base Stats.

So Arceus has Total 720 Base Stats on 100 level

OTOH, Mew has Total 680 Base Stats on 100 level

So its clear.. who would win {XD}

{XD} well base stats are not the only thing that matters, my pokemon team in X/Y have swept legendary teams (that are ev trained and such) so I don't think just basing it off stats can really decide.