Latest OU Suspect Test: Mega Metagross (voting results are in)

[Nah]

Maybe facing a MMeta is what separates the men from the boys.

This thing has a positive effect on the metagame and I don't think it should be banned.

How exactly does it have a positive effect on the meta?

 

[KorpiklaaniVodka]

How exactly does it have a positive effect on the meta?

It punishes fairy/dragon spam, deals with bulky offense teams really well and blocks Mega Diancie/Gardevoir, which I think is good for the meta.

MMeta is very close to being broken, but it does have a decent amount of counters, such as (Mega) Slowbro, Mega Scizor and Skarmory. And many things can check it, though admittedly some of them need a scarf to do it (Hydreigon, Lando-T).

 

[Pendraflare]

Well that is true, but not many of those "scarf" checks can really switch in - they'd have to revenge kill it. And I don't think either of those two OHKO Mega Metagross, although it'd need Ice Punch or Hammer Arm to finish them respectively (and admittedly, Landorus-T's Intimidate doesn't help).

 

[Nah]

Well that is true, but not many of those "scarf" checks can really switch in - they'd have to revenge kill it.

Yeah that's kinda what a check is. It can't switch in on the opposing poke, but if you get it in safely somehow or after something dies, it can usually kill it/force it out. A counter's one that can switch in without a problem.

 

[KorpiklaaniVodka]

Well that is true, but not many of those "scarf" checks can really switch in - they'd have to revenge kill it. And I don't think either of those two OHKO Mega Metagross, although it'd need Ice Punch or Hammer Arm to finish them respectively (and admittedly, Landorus-T's Intimidate doesn't help).

Pokémon A checks Pokémon B if, when Pokémon A is given a free switch into Pokémon B, Pokémon A can win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax.

Free switch does not mean it can manually switch in - a check can either switch in after one of its teammates has fainted, through Volt Switch or U-turn, Memento, Healing Wish or double switching.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

I've been hearing controversy from /vp/, regarding Mega Metagross's suspect test, that hundreds of anti-ban votes are either deleted by Smogon mods for being "off-topic" or the person casting their vote had their right to vote revoked for zero reason except for disagreeing with Smogon. A similar scenario happened with Mega Mawile and Aegislash. These same anti-ban players also agree that while Mega Metagross is a solid pick in OU, it's not enough for him to get banned.

 

[2Fruit]

Could someone do a quick calc to see how much damage a Mandibuzz foul play does to Metagross? I don't know where to do it.

 

[Nah]

I've been hearing controversy from /vp/, regarding Mega Metagross's suspect test, that hundreds of anti-ban votes are either deleted by Smogon mods for being "off-topic" or the person casting their vote had their right to vote revoked for zero reason except for disagreeing with Smogon. A similar scenario happened with Mega Mawile and Aegislash. These same anti-ban players also agree that while Mega Metagross is a solid pick in OU, it's not enough for him to get banned.

Yeah, I've heard people say that before. I wouldn't know if it's even remotely true or not, since I don't have a Smogon account nor do I lurk their forum much.

Could someone do a quick calc to see how much damage a Mandibuzz foul play does to Metagross? I don't know where to do it.

If it has a Hasty nature:
0- Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mega Metagross: 264-312 (87.7 - 103.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

If it's Jolly:
0- Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 236-282 (78.4 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

This is the calculator I used:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/

 

[Polar Spectrum]

Wholly miltank

What's Mega Metagross' best response to a mandibuzz? Thunder / Ice punch? Someone run calcs on a physical bulk Mandibuzz; pls.

And despite the ban making sense (said before) - I'll throw my 2 bits in the 'doesn't need to be banned' direction still.

 

[Nah]

Wholly miltank

What's Mega Metagross' best response to a mandibuzz? Thunder / Ice punch? Someone run calcs on a physical bulk Mandibuzz; pls.

And despite the ban making sense (said before) - I'll throw my 2 bits in the 'doesn't need to be banned' direction still.

It comes out to this:

252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Ice Punch vs. 248 HP / 136+ Def Mandibuzz: 182-216 (43 - 51%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Though with rocks up:
252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Ice Punch vs. 248 HP / 136+ Def Mandibuzz: 182-216 (43 - 51%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

 

[Polar Spectrum]

^ Thanks for that; definitely something I forgot to consider actually - the super effective stab foul play off its own attack. Lawl. Please; somebody - get a replay where a poocheyna with focus sash takes down mega metagross with foul play. Please.

 

[Zeffy]

I've been hearing controversy from /vp/, regarding Mega Metagross's suspect test, that hundreds of anti-ban votes are either deleted by Smogon mods for being "off-topic" or the person casting their vote had their right to vote revoked for zero reason except for disagreeing with Smogon.

Voting has not yet started so this is obviously false. I wouldn't trust 4chan to be very honest, especially since they're known for causing unneeded tension allover the internet. :x

 

[Pendraflare]

^ Thanks for that; definitely something I forgot to consider actually - the super effective stab foul play off its own attack. Lawl. Please; somebody - get a replay where a poocheyna with focus sash takes down mega metagross with foul play. Please.

Oh my god that'd be the funniest thing ever x3

But yeah, Mandibuzz would need Stealth Rock off the field to be mindful of it, and Metagross would have to be Mega Evolved before it comes out.

 

[Zeffy]

So MMetagross stays in OU.

It was really close though. 2.7% away from supermajority. This was expected (the close votes, to be precise), to be honest. Your thoughts?
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...s-round-2-voting.3531158/page-13#post-6089113

 

[Nah]

Whoa, it really didn't get enough votes to get banned? Was really expecting it to get banned cuz everything that's been suspected in OU this gen has been banned. So I guess we'll see how things go now....

 

[Zeffy]

Was really expecting it to get banned cuz everything that's been suspected in OU this gen has been banned.

Previous suspect test results aren't exactly the best basis in determining the result of future suspect tests, you know.

I guess Mega Gardevoir isn't going to make it's major debut after all.

 

[Nah]

Previous suspect test results aren't exactly the best basis in determining the result of future suspect tests, you know.

Yeah, I know. It's just that the majority of people seemed so adamant about banning it and when everything else previously suspected in OU this gen has been banned, what seemed to be the most likely outcome was Mega Meta getting banned. Thought that the ban-train wasn't gonna end quite yet. But it did.

 

[Detox]

I pretty much figured that the decision would be close either way it went. This was probably somewhat influenced by people bandwagoning the (bad) argument that if MegaGross was banned, the metagame would be dominated by fairy types...which just simply is not true lol. Either way, I'm eehhhh on it staying, and I think I would have preferred the metagame more if it was gone. It's all good though, It will be suspect tested again and booted out of the tier.

Now about Mega Slowbro...

 

[Pendraflare]

Oh boy. This was one I really thought could go either way, and it turned out to be the one that keeps it here. Mega Metagross is one that has answers to it, although I was expecting it to get the boot in the long run. So let's see what happens as it remains here.

 

[srinator]

i think landorus deserves a suspect before slowbro, but hnnnnnnnnng slowbro.
also i am p sure they will have to suspect mmeta again in the future.