Akita

Sinny's back... he's back again....... lol :P

How have you been doing? Did you ever get pokemon B/W?

I've been doing good myself, I've been learning how to hack thanks to hackthissite.org, it's fun stuff... :D

I took another vacation from the internet......

Remember "Flaky the Dandruffman"..... lol XD

Anyway, I just came on here so I can learn some CSS, see you around. 8D

That is true, the Nazis hated the idea of losing to the SU more than anything, towards the fall of Germany many attempts were made to surrender to just the western allies so they could focus on fighting off Stalin.

I was talking about negotiations between Germany and Britain, Hitler originally hoped for an alliance between us, having made many peace attempts after invading Poland. While it would make him able to attain his "living space" without further opposition, Hitler didn't want Germany to be at war with Britain as he actually admired us for building such a big empire despite being such a geographically small country and originally wanted an alliance, its rumoured he even considered the British and German people fairly similar, which when you consider that we also occupied other countries and then brought their people home as servants and/or forced our way of life on them, he kind of had a point by saying that.

As you said, negotiating with a man like Hitler was never going to work in the long run, proof of this is are all the failed attempts at appeasement like the Munich agreement which was basically supposed to prevent Hitler from invading anywhere else, as we know now that didn't excatly work out as planned. Dictators can't be negotiated with, the Nazi/Soviet war was always going to end with the defeat and occupation of one of the countires.

Agreed, if Germany had managed to hold down all of Russia, it would have led to an uprising that pushed the Germans out or the gradual downfall of the Reich through a lack of men to police the occupied countries (Personally I'm quite amazed he was able to occupy Europe and still throw nearly 4 million men at Russia).

Europe would have reduced to even more of a wasteland that it was if it did get to the point of nuclear weapons being used in Europe, it would have probably led to a Soviet flag being placed on a charred piece of earth where Berlin used to be.

While its a terrifying thought I find alternate history theories about the war extremely interesting. An example I like is the book/film Fatherland, set in the 1960's where D-Day failed, leading to USA pulling out of the war against Germany to focus on (and defeat) Japan and the Nazis are trying to form an alliance with the US to gain their support in the ongoing war against the USSR. Granted most theories are kind of unrealistic, including that one as I believe if D-Day did fail and the US either managed to pull out of the war against Germany or no allied invasion was made on the western front the result would have been the iron curtain falling on the British channel or atlantic ocean, but still it's interesting.

Anyway, I'm happy to hear you're enjoying yourself, where are you?


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Agreed, Nazism would have never came into existance without the Treaty of Versailles, there were many other things that helped Hitler other than Germany's hopeless situation (mostly the weakness of the League of Nations). Maybe an element of it was luck, but I'm not gonna complain as I'm just happy the battle ended the way it did.

Good point about Stalin and Hiter's egos, it's possible that if Operation Sealion was executed as planned and was successful Stalin could have thrown a knife in his back and attacked Germany while she was busy taking London, but thats just one of many alternate history theories. As you mentioned Hitler would have been wise to strengthen Germany further instead of adding to its opposition, once again the ego of a dictator is a powerful thing, he also thought victory over Stalin would have brought us to the negotiating table (and if anything other than complete defeat would have, it would have been seeing the powerful Soviet Union under the Nazi jackboot).

Granted Winter wasn't the main reason for Operation Barbarossa's failure, more Germany's underestermation of Russia's potential, leading to the belief that a quick victory would be achieved and the fighting would be mostly over by winter. Therfore Hitler didn't properly prepare for winter warfare. You're correct in saying that the winter would have had given either side little advantage in singular battles but trying to continue an invasion of that size with unsuitable clothing and weaponry, not helped by the overstretched supply lines that were made even worse by the small number of properly paved Russian roads and decision to transport fuel for furnaces over warm clothing definately damaged the German effort. The Russian side suffered too from the weather but they were more prepared for it than the Germans.
Russia did indeed have the most overall casualties and didn't train their troops as well, quality won over quantity in the end.

Germany could have definately carried on if they gained more fuel and oil by invading territories rich with it which would have probably led to an ongoing war between Germany and Russia or a three way cold war stand off between the USA, USSR and a Nazi Europe, a terrifying thought which indeed would have led to the loss of even more life.

You know your history so hats off to you, enjoy your "vacation" :)

Forgot to add the last little bit to this:

Personally I think Germany was never going to win that war, if they hadn't forged alliances and support treaties with Italy or the Empire of "Let's attack the only world power not in the war" Japan and didn't have a man who didn't change his mind all the time and despised tactical retreats they would have probably prevailed.

I'm a bit of a war nerd aswell, I'd have to disagree with you about Britain not defending themselves, we defeated Germany in the Battle of Britain and got the crap bombed out of us most nights during the Blitz but still held on, granted none of this would have happened if the Nazi war machine had been stomped out as soon as Hitler broke any of the Treaty of Versailles' terms, but most of Europe was still recovering after the exploding snowball that was WWI and desperately trying to prevent the sequel. Then again if the Treaty of Versailles wasn't as harsh as it was WWII would have never happened, as always its easy to be wise in hindsight.

Invading Russia was definately a death sentance to Nazi Germany, Hiter basically had a very powerful ally in Stalin and while trying to extinguish the only country left unoccupied and against him while opressing the rest of Europe what does he do? Invade one of the biggest countries in the world while Russia's ally winter was approaching...

I think the war would have ended differently if any of the three major allied powers were defeated, if Britain had fallen there would have been nowhere for the western allies to lauch an invasion from. If the US was never brought into the war there wouldn't have been enough men to launch an invasion and if the USSR was never attacked Hitler would have been able to defend the third reich with ease (80% of German casualties were on the eastern front).

Personally I think Germany was never going to win that war, if they hadn't forged alliances and support treaties with Italy or the Empire of "Let's attack the only world power not in the war" Japan and didn't have a man who didn't change his mind all the time and despised tactical retreats.

However if he hadn't attacked Russia he may have eventually been able to draw a stalemate with Britain, I think we were too conviently defended by the English channel for Germany to invade as they were used to walking across borders and taking the country from the ground, that instance would have either led to the gradual downfall of the German Empire through the struggle of opressing so many people or basically just became a normal part of the world. Which would have probably led to the remaining European countries eventually arriving at a "Yeah, we're cool" relationship with the Axis.

Wow, it looks like we could both go on forever about the war lol.

What? You don't like Robot Chicken?

But why didn't he show up? Why god? Why?! ;_;

He sounds it indeed.

Ah, see the problem with him being a Russian spy is that he's probably gonna have less backup when it comes to being shot, or some kind of Soviet Russia joke. Or maybe I'll rant about how stupid Hiter was to attack the USSR while still at war Britain, ahh I dunno what to say.

Howie Mandel sounds awesome, so damn awesome.

I don't blame the nazi for doing it (those 8 words could sound terrible out of context), I can hear mine screaming in german right now...

Neither have I. I would imagine it would be like the Star Wars parody that Robot Chick did when Skywalker kill all those kids.

I seriously miss that cat. I don't know what happened to him. My worse fear is that he may have gotten run over,

I will hunt them down & kill them. Then all their craziness will flow into me! That's how it works right? Like in Highlander?

He looked like a fancy cat wearing little boots. OH GAWD I'M GONNA CRY! ;O;

I haven't been trying. >.>

I miss him. I wan mah kitteh back! </3

Damnit, I forgot a question mark, the grammer nazi inside me is screaming...

Whos he and whos Howie. The 'Hoff I guess?

Here!

Mini Oreo! Where have you gone?! ;o;

Yay! Now if I can only get that crazy member emblem. >.>

Squee~! I would die from cuteness if I ever saw a forever kitten. Why aren't our scientists working on this? Cancer Schmaincer! I wants me forever puppies & kittens!

No you are good at RP! Better than I am.

....DARY!