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Speaking of Lorelei... I love nerdy girls. :P Same reason I like Shauntal, too.

And yeah, what I said in the thread was true, I DID have a crush on Lorelei. Which is funny, because she scared me the first time around. "Your Pokémon will be at my mercy when they are frozen solid!" But I thought her Stadium portrait was really cute.

The anime gave her a voluptuous body, which I wasn't very fond of, but still she was an interesting character IMO.

She had quite a few redesigns. In Stadium she was blonde, while in FRLG she was a redhead (my favorite version), and in the anime she had purple hair and her glasses looked different.

You could use something like Tauros, too. It has decent bulk and high Attack. I don't remember what I used to beat Sabrina in Yellow, but I remember I beat her! I usually do the Fuchsia quest before Saffron, though. I vastly prefer the RB level curve, because I'm usually a bit underleveled when I reach Koga, but I make up for it when I reach Sabrina.

The Special stat was so skewed towards Psychics that their strongest move had a high chance of lowering the enemy's Special stat.


I didn't realize you'd take it so seriously. :P

They tried to "buff" Ice again numerous times, but always fail because it's simply not enough. Hail is the worst weather since it only benefits Ice types, all it does is give Blizzard 100% accuracy. And the only Pokémon that can bring Hail to the field (Abomasnow) is terrible.

Poor Jynx. ^^


It's the flying Golduck. ^^


I like him despite being redundant, though. I guess I have a think for the underdog. I think only Flareon is worse, but Flareon now has Flare Blitz so he might just edge Glaceon.


Or give him some other STAB to play with.

I'm surprised GF never thought of an Ice/Electric Pokémon. Or Fire/Electric. Rotom exists, but besides Rotom.


He certainly will, and I had lots of problems because of that. It will hit eventually, though. Sadly, Tyranitar couldn't kill Electrode in a single Earthquake.

You could also use Steelix.


That's because he is the KING. ^^ I'd use Tyranitar against Umbreon, because Umbreon couldn't do squat to Tyranitar.


I'm guessing west coast? I try to guess people's locations by the time they send their messages. And, not much info on you here. :P

If you take into account the story comes full circle when you beat Red, it's certainly believable that GSC were meant to be the last games.

And of course you can find a smogonite in the comments: "I think you all have a bad case of nostalgia (including Mr. Sterling, which isn't a surprise).

Generation 2 had a lot of things going for it, but it was also unbalanced and introduced some of the most useless monsters in the series."

For all the throwaway Pokémon 2nd gen had (most of which got evos in 4th gen), it also introduced some of the coolest and most useful Pokémon in the series. My most used team in Stadium 2 was mostly 2nd gen Pokémon, actually. Wanna talk about "useless monsters", look no further than RSE and its sea of underpowered Water Pokémon (including Luvdisc).

You really were a fan of the anime! I think one of the few cool things about the Johto seasons was the Lugia episodes in Master Quest, but it probably stretched out more than it should've.

Good lord, Master Quest aired in 2003 in Brazil! Now I remember. And, at the same time, I was already playing Ruby on the VBA. :P Yeah, I think I survived the filler frenzy and made it all the way to Master Quest. Sadly, they started rerunning the episodes at some point and I never finished it. Only watched sporadic episodes.

I wonder why Gary replaced his Nidoking with Nidoqueen. Probably because he lost in the Kanto league due to the opposing Golem grabbing Nidoking by the horn and slamming him into the ground. Nidoqueen's horn is shorter. Or it could be a continuity error, who knows.


Not that I minded Tracey (I didn't), but the reason why they replaced Brock was stupid. They thought a dark-skinned character wouldn't be successful in the west.

I guess what you pointed out was the reason for Brock staying longer than Misty, and longer than he should've. Brock was a cool character in the beginning (first season and up until he left for the first time), but they started to overuse his girl antics in later seasons and he became very annoying with time.

What I meant is that they would've been considered part of Hoenn. Also it'll likely result in Hoenn having a dex like Gen II Johto did. Actually there are dex numbers according to Bulbapedia for the mons not in the Hoenn dex but they were never in the game in any form (not even code). It's possible GF contemplated continuing the Gen II dex tradition. Perhaps Hoenn was originally going be a sequel but the idea was dropped due to lack of connectivity...who knows why those numbers exist (also RS had Johto music in the coding).

Well Bulbapedia has them as having come from Olivine (not sure where they got from...may be from the anime and was interpreted as game canon like Rocket creating Mewtwo or Lugia being the Bird trio's master has been.) Though Olivine fits well. I mean it fits several Gen III themes such as being between both land and sea. Also Olivine (at least in English) is a material deep in the ground and is the most common in real life and is formed by hot magmas. Also the town has a the first Steel specialist and the champ of Hoenn is the second (and it being a port fits with Wallace). Also the Ship...S.S. Aqua. If they remake HgSs again I hope they make it so Team Aqua worked on the ship.

Truth be told, I had more trouble with Sabrina than Lance. :P And Alakazam was very annoying to deal with in Stadium.

Dragonite was also portrayed as unstoppable in the anime, but it lost to Pikachu, something Kadabra didn't... ^^

I was so traumatized with Psychic Pokémon that, when GSC came out, I had two Dark Pokémon in my team (Houndoom and Tyranitar). But Alakazam wasn't nearly as dangerous anymore.

And I agree, there are too many dragons among ubers...


I think I sounded sexist, I'm sorry. :(

Well, Ice was certainly a good type in RBY, IMO. Being part Ice was a blessing for Water types back then, because the things that could kill Ice (Rock and Fighting) weren't very good, and Fire had strong moves but wasn't that good either. I'd say Lapras was superior to Blastoise and Vaporeon.

In GSC it started to suck. Blizzard was nerfed and Fire became resistant to it.

I personally think the Fairy type doesn't make any sense. What's good and bad against it is strictly because of balancing, not common sense like the other types.


I'm curious about Noctowl, actually (also a favorite of mine).
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I rather like it, but you're probably right. I don't even know Glaceon's stat distribution, actually! Never used one. I wanted to, but you get it so late in Platinum that it isn't much worth it.


I would blindly fire Earthquakes at him, actually. But restarting in the E4 wasn't practical because you had to fight Will again. Granted, Will was easy, but it was still a waste of time. Unlike in the games, you couldn't save between trainers, and there were no continues.

Karen's Umbreon doesn't have recovery, I think, so you can wear it down with strong attacks. I wouldn't use Mewtwo in Gym Leader's Castle, that's overkill! Except in the first Stadium. I used him to get stuff like Caterpie in the hall of fame.


I hid my Pokémon passion from people until recently.

I think here in Brazil it took a very long time for the anime to reach the Johto league. I still watched it in 2002, when RS were released in Japan, and they were in the middle of the badge hunt. :P The last episode I watched was the Olivine gym battle. I don't understand why they did so much filler, actually. The problem, I think, was that the games were longer than what the anime could follow. But Ash couldn't return to Kanto to get the badges, as he already had them. Later seasons were made artificially longer by adding Contests and Frontier battles. Johto didn't have anything else to offer, because Ash couldn't return to Kanto, unless they did another Orange League thing, which would actually be helpful as it would seem like progress.

I think Pokémon could've benefitted from a new set of protagonists, like Yu-Gi-Oh. But Pikachu was too strong of a mascot to let go of.


Well, if they wanted to erase male Gardevoir from the books of the series, I think they should've gone as far as retconning the Pokémon and made Gallade the only thing male Kirlia could become. As cool as he is, the only reason Gallade exists is because people thought Gardevoir was too feminine to be male.

I forgot to say something about Wally... His original team fit his personality much more. They shouldn't have given Gallade to him, but Diantha already had (Mega) Gardevoir so that's probably why he got Gallade.

The chant of smogonites "Dragons are too strong" well they're supposed to be! I mean, quite a few of them were pseudolegends, and as Lance himself claims, they're "virtually indestructable" and were originally designed to be a challenge to raise and defeat, which is why Dragonite evolved at L55 and was so strong.

I don't like girly Pokémon at all, so I hated the Fairy type. And it stole the function of Ice and Steel types, since Ice was the only type that defeated Dragon and Steel, the only one that resisted it.


In my last Platinum file (which I halted) I tried to avoid using Staraptor as much as possible.

Talonflame is an example of a mediocre Pokémon (his stats are very similar to Pidgeot and Swellow) made overused because of an overpowered ability. He didn't even need it since his Speed is already very high.

I think Pidgeot got a nice boost, but with no moves to use his Sp.Atk. on apart from Hurricane, the Mega is kinda wasted, really.


Glaceon's problem is that Ice is inferior to Water in every way. Water learns Ice moves and has better type matchups. It's a nice design, though.

Sylveon is one of the "passable" Fairy types, IMO. Although that's easy when her competition is cupcakes and can-can dancers. :P

I love Honchkrow to bits, he's a nasty bird and I like it. Weavile, too.


Stadium had smart uses for Pokémon and variety. Though, some opponents could be very cheap! In Stadium 2, Koga spammed Double Team (as he did in GSC) and Karen spammed Attract and confusion. I think Lance's R2 team was very cool, though.


I won't remember specifics since I haven't played the games in more than a decade, lol. Well, I did play Stadium 2 on PJ64 a few years ago but never got very far in it because I wanted to check out Platinum. R2 mode was supposed to be a challenge, and you can't be too challenging against a player's more balanced team if you use exclusively Fire type Pokémon. :P This isn't the anime where Pokémon beat their weakenesses all the time. :P

Speaking of the anime, I quit during Johto's endless fillerfest. ^^

Well that's confusing...they should instead rename them the Ice, Lightning, and Fire orbs (in reference to the famous line from the movie, do you know it?)

That's true...but it'll still be it'll need to be something like Johto as something like the Sevii islands can be considered part of Kanto even though it's a mini region (like wise the Battle zones in Sinnoh are considered part of Sinnoh even though they're their own sub region...) I wanted Johto to appear in ORAS tbh.

Actually, I must agree with you. But there's one thing that I liked about the new games, that there's an abundance of new STAB moves for various types. I don't know if it was due to "progress" (the carts holding more data) or an interest in competitive.

4th gen introduced Staraptor, a bird created specifically to make the other early birds obsolete. I mean, it's a cool design, but I would hate it much less if they hadn't given him Close Combat, which magically gives him all the coverage he needs. I liked most of the new evolutions, though there were quite a few of them which weren't all that useful despite being a considerable boost.

You may notice by reading some of my posts that I don't like the Frontier. It's artificial challenge (the AI cheats), gimmicky, and the Frontier Brains completely lack character compared to other prominent trainers. They're hollow designs, because they don't have a signature Pokémon or strategy. I played the Gym Leader Castle in Stadium much more than the Prime Cup for that reason. Although in R2 the gym leaders tend to use Pokémon that have nothing to do with them, like Blaine and his Clefable... :P

I think XY's story had a deep theme but when I played it I felt like they didn't know how to tell it. There's something wrong with it, and I can't explain what it is. Mega Evolution was definitely a balance change in some aspects, though I like how GF screwed up Smogon tiers by creating something completely broken (Mega Rayquaza). Because the old Uber tier was supposed to be a free for all experience yet the rules still apply? Weird, isn't it?

Oh, that's a pity. I like talking to you. ^^

You know something else GF could've done if they wanted Kanto in Gen 3? Delay Emerald for release 2005 in Japan and have worked on FrLg. Or maybe had made FrLg on the GBA but make a DS version/DS enhanced version called Water Blue like how they make one Mystery Dungeon for GBA and another for the DS.

I think though that we can blame the change of the coding language between the two systems (GBC and GBA) for the lack of transfers from Kanto and Johto games thus pushing them to remake Kanto to compliment Hoenn's dex. GF likely didn't want to put all 300 plus mons in a single region (Only Kanto's Gen I games had all known mons in one region) even with exclusives. Also who is to say that if GF didn't do FrLg in the GBA that they'll even think of making them...for all we know they may barely be making FrLg now.

I read your newest post in your FC thread. I find it full of character. However, are the orbs the same ones the Hoenn trio uses? If so then the third one is the Jade orb (in Japan the Green orb while the Red is called Crimson, and the Blue one Indigo...and I must say Crimson Red and Indigo Blue would be awesome titles). I do see that you're trying to fit them in with the birds colors though.

They and Gen V sure were, but nothing GF and Nintendo can do about it now...except remake Kanto again.

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Oh, I forgot to say: there are some people who don't even play the games anymore. They only battle on Showdown and only care about movepool and stat updates. Showdown can enforce tiers and banlists, so it's heaven to them. But it's an empty experience.

Actually, the sole reason for Showdown's existence is to make Smogon relevant. Without it, there would be no tiers, no banlists, no rules, no whatever. Of course, the "metagame" would be rampant with Mega Kangaskhans and the like, but Pokémon's balance was doomed from the start. It was never balanced, and it won't be.

Plus they should've given Gale Wings to Pidgeot, not Talonflame.

I'll quit being lazy and quote. ^^


I hate Smogon (and metagame elitists) with a passion.

Before Smogon, and in 2nd gen, the elite battlers remained confined to GSbot (a shitty mIRC based simulator) while Netbattle was more friendly, still there was no banlist so Snorlax (the most overpowered non-uber in GSC) ran rampant and Curselax made me ragequit many times. Snorlax in 2nd gen was a fucking bastard and I think he totally deserved the shaft he got in later generations. Impossible to win with your favorites, even then. Which is why I loved Stadium: not everyone had a Snorlax. You could (and would) find Snorlax in the later R2 battles, but teams were usually more varied, which was impressive considering there weren't that many fully evolved Pokémon to choose from.

In Netbattle I learned to hate Blissey. Stupid pink blob that never died. I remember one battle that ended as a draw because she PP-stalled my Tyranitar but she wasn't strong enough to kill me either. Skarmory I didn't hate so much, I liked it and used it in unorthodox ways (not as a wall). I really used it because I liked it, and I liked it before I became involved in online Pokémon forums. I was so happy when I bred it with a Dodrio and found out it could learn Drill Peck through breeding! Noctowl I didn't have the same luck with, stuck with Pidgeot's Wing Attack.

But, as you say, EVs and that crap separated the elitists even more from the rest of the crowd. The big thing that means GF doesn't care about the story anymore: Exp. Share. The game is so easy now, it's pathetic. I used it because I hated grinding and, without it, X/Y are really bad to grind in. But it makes the game into a point-and-click affair. If only there was a good story to back it up...

LOL at the smogonized Wally. Though I have no idea what the "potato lover" Gallade is. :P


I've lost count of how many Sneasels I killed in Mt. Silver. :P I loved the bugger, but he wasn't very good in GSC sadly.

But yeah, I think they should've found another way of minimizing stall and promoting offense. Nothing was stopping them from making better Fighting-type Pokémon to kill Snorlax and giving Machamp better moves.

Another problem was that people didn't follow the Stadium rules online so everyone stuck Leftovers into their Pokémon because there was no item clause like there should've been. Rules like Sleep Clause were created by GF (or whoever developed the Stadium games) and, most importantly, were created for 3v3 battle, not 6v6 as people battle online.


They added some braille crap to Sevii Islands which was RSE's thing. I didn't like the Regi puzzle because it's incredibly convoluted.

I think it would've been great to visit Johto already in FRLG. The Hoenn fans would've been very angry that the remakes would have beaten their own games, though!

And better graphics and latest mechanics. I mean, you can't even evolve Eevee into Espeon and Umbreon in FRLG. (though HGSS is also guilty because it lacks the Moss and Icy Rocks)


Which are the most mysterious, programming-wise. I can spend hours on Bulbapedia reading random articles.


Serebii is the biggest and most widely known forum, so it attracts the most bad people. I don't visit their forums. The other site, I rarely visit, too. Must've been more than a year I've been there.

Remember the trailer leading up to XY? They had GS as GBC games instead of GB games even though they could be played on them. Also since FrLg is the first remake so it'll be more of a justification of the pattern (that HgSs follows the two console later pattern which ORAS too follows, if not it'll fall part in fans faces) rather than anything. Nintendo has even called the 3DS their 8th Gen Console before (think it was in press releases, they only refer to the main ones as next Gen Consoles. For example they only call the New 3DS an enhanced version of the 3DS. Hence the media referred to the 3DS the 8th Gen console in their reports before and after it's release.) So if GB is 4 (and if GBC is only an enhancement) then GBA would be 5th, DS would be 6th, and the 3DS 7th...not 8th. It's not fans of the pattern forcing it to work.








It would. They could include Johto too with anime like teams to keep up with Yellow taking calls from the anime.

Well the GBC was considered a seperate handheld...it just had the most backward's compability of any device (even the Pokegames made for them are the most compatible out of all the cross generational transfers). Though I must say Nintendo failed at making it any different xD. I do think they'll go the DSi route with Gen VII.


Another thing they could do is have Kanto this gen (so that they don't have to make it when the 3DS is dying like how the GB and GBA were when it's other versions have come out...) perhaps before Z to mimic Gen III some more. Actually since there is data for two games that aren't XY or themselves found in the ORAS demo and if they do Z (but not Delta Emerald) instead of X2Y2 then a Yellow to compliment it would be a good idea. They could take this year off and work on them and release the Kanto remakes on February 27th of 2016 (the 20th anniversary) and Z in late december (which is 10 months...more than FrLg's 8 month difference with Emerald. Plus there's a bigger delay between ORAS and a theoretical Yellow remake release on February (14 months)).

You know what? You're totally right! They tried to simplify things again with the Super Training (which is, may I add, the first acknowlegment of numerical EVs in a Pokémon game, and we're in 6th gen!), but trying to make Pokémon into a generic RPG by adding "builds" (since that's what EV training is) was one of their worst mistakes with the series. The official explanation of this was to make the game more offense-oriented (since GSC was very stallish), but if it wasn't for hackers we'd never know about EVs and correct builds. You're supposed to grow attached with the Pokémon you choose to beat the game with, not discard them like trash. Because that's what 31 IVs and EVs did to the game.

They fixed it to the point of the Red Gyarados being possibly the best Pokémon you can obtain before the E4. :P

Yeah, the P/S split was heaven.

I've only played the Yellow league once, but I remember not having to restart. But I don't really remember what my team was. :P

That's why a future Kanto game should have Johto, too. I hate the Sevii Islands.

You know a lot about the games, it seems. More than I do, actually. Yellow had a lot of different stuff so I guess the memory was different and things could get more dangerous.

Oh, this is my main site. I have account on Serebii, too, but rarely use it because emulator talk is banned there.

Those gaps I listed are the Japanese ones, not the international ones (otherwise B2W2 would've been listed as 1 1/12 years instead of 1 1/2). Though it is interesting to note how XY and OrAs's gap is the same as that between international B2W2 and XY.

I am most likely looking too much into it but I've noticed that Gen I got remade in a gen where it's national dex was around half of Gen III, like wise for Gen II with IV, and III with VI. We still have some way until we reach the 100 and which GF trying to minimize the number of mons to avoid making it too much of a hassle it may be awhile until we reach the upper 800/ lower 900s for Gen IV's to be around half of the mons. It's kind of sad how Gen V and VI have only introduced like 232 mons while Gen's I and II had 251(this one I know exactly) together and Gen's III and IV had around 250 (around 130 for Hoenn and around 120 for Sinnoh) too, though it is close to 250 so maybe I'm just salty that XY didn't do another 100 like Johto did (while Sinnoh had around 116-120). Well if this around 230-250 continues we'll reach 900 by Gen VIII (wow maybe Sinnoh will be remade then too... if so Gen VII should have FrLgHgSs to make up for the gap) and 1000 by Gen IX or XI (ORAS_D_P remakes?).

Though, would you really like them to remake RGBYFrLg on the 3DS? I mean here we are bringing up how Gen V could've waited for the 3DS. Perhaps Gen VII can wait for the successor. However that may take another 3-4 years if the 3DS lives as long as either the GB or DS (btw I checked and the GB is classified as a Gen IV console, while the GBC is a Gen V console (the GBA is VI, and Ds is VII, while the 3DS is Gen VIII)).

I guess if GF decides not to do another BW they could extend Gen VI and have Kanto remakes in 2016, Z this year or 2017, Johto 2017 or 2018, DP remakes 2019... and save Unova for next Gen. Or just Kanto and Johto (yeah it would be better). By then they'll have the next console. Interestingly DP and BW will need to be remade on Nintendo's 9th Gen console to keep the pattern of remakes happening two consoles after that first time remakes thus far have had (to fit second time remakes into this Kanto will need to be remade this Gen or in a Gen VII on the 3DS). The thing though is that Nintendo is rumored to be already working on their 9th Gen consoles...

That's true...but then again RGBY could be played on the GBA too and yet were remade. But RGBY had issues with dead batteries by then so and Hoenn lacked half 1/3 of the mons at the time (they should've added in Johto in FrLg and made the johto Pokemon even more widely available).

In terms of regions (not story) GB and GBC eras- all regions at the time were available.
GBA era- Johto was missing
DS era- Hoenn was missing
3DS- Kanto, Johto, Unova, and Sinnoh are missing. Best way to fix that would be to remake FrLgHgSs in Gen VII alongside Dp to leave out Unova (or have Unova in Z and leave out Sinnoh until Gen VIII for it's remake).

Remember how we talked about how the GBA had a short life? Well the GB had an interesting life too, as RB/B came out when it was a dying console and revived it. While it was good for Nintendo as it salvaged it's dying console I wonder if Gen I would've been better off if GF when back and made them into GBC games. Perhaps they would've noticed the glitches and fixed the horrible sprites. Also since GS was being thought of they could've worked on it at the same time and release the first two Gens one after the other. Or perhaps would have saved Gen II for the GBA which would fit well with Gen II as both lasted for about as long (also Kanto mons and starters could be added to make up for the lack of transfer)...Gen III (with FrLG) and IV for the DS. Gen V and HgSs on the 3Ds? Damn I keep erasing/pushing back Gen VII...
How do you feel about the recent Gens coming so quickly after the last game? While Gen's I,II,III had breaks before the next Gen, BW came a year after HgSs (it would've been to have waited for the 3Ds...) and XY came a year after B2W2. Do you think it ruins the quality of them? Same could be asked about the inbetween games as Emerald came in the same year of FrLg, Pt-HgSs-BW were one year apart and like wise for B2W2-XY-OrAs (well these three were more like a 1 1/2 and 1 1/12 years apart so they got somewhat better).