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1st Gen Cubone/marowak legend

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ShinyZoruaGirl

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  • I am very interested.
    CUBONE and Baby KANGASKHAN look shockingly alike.
    But, as The 100 Mega Shock said, the KANGASKHAN sprite has a lower half of the body.
    We never saw her lower half, so..I am assuming the KANGASKHAN sprite
    was fanmade.
     

    Koi

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    No way, Missingno(Missing No. or M) doesn't evolve into Kangaskhan.

    I just tested it with my Pokemon Red.
     
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    Chancy and kangaskan could've been given baby pre-evolutions in 2nd gen, when breeding was introduced. Or even in 3rd gen, since 3rd was made incompatible with the first 2. But it seems they keep passing up the opportunity every time.

    That's why there is Happiny for Chansey?
     

    Azure Edge

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    It's an interesting theory, but just like everyone else has said there's no real proof. Just circumstantial evidence at best. I do like your hypothesis though! :D
     

    Limey-chan

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  • It's an interesting theory, but just like everyone else has said there's no real proof. Just circumstantial evidence at best. I do like your hypothesis though! :D

    Same.

    It's an interesting read, and there are certainly similarities but I personally don't believe the whole baby Kangaskahn ≡ Cubone theory.
     
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    thank you weavile. and what if he was saying about how a ground cant change into a normal. then how does snorunt which is an ice type evolve into a ghost type?

    Snorunt is an Ice-Type. Froslass is an Ice/Ghost-Type. Gaining an extra type is one thing. Changing Type altogether is different.


    I think if Cubone was any other sort of Pokemon they'd have confirmed it ages ago. Not to mention, any theory about it brings up the question: what exactly is Marowak? If a Cubone is actually a baby Kangaskhan or something, then shouldn't it mature into a Kangaskhan rather than a Marowak?
     

    DoctorFred

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  • Snorunt is an Ice-Type. Froslass is an Ice/Ghost-Type. Gaining an extra type is one thing. Changing Type altogether is different.


    I think if Cubone was any other sort of Pokemon they'd have confirmed it ages ago. Not to mention, any theory about it brings up the question: what exactly is Marowak? If a Cubone is actually a baby Kangaskhan or something, then shouldn't it mature into a Kangaskhan rather than a Marowak?

    According to his theory, i would guess that Marowak would be the adolescent (teenager) form... so...

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    BABY ------> Adolescent -----> Adult




    But say all you want to me, i will not believe this theory until Nintendo comes out and says it themselves.
     
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  • Pokemon evolution doesn't follow real evolution.
    Rather than using natural selection, they adapt features and then the new features are passed on to future generations.

    I have a theory that a diglett popped up into an aerodactyl fossil, evolved into a marowak, taking on some features of the ancient extinct pokemon, such as thicker skin, a preference to being above ground, etc. The new marowak then picks up another part of the fossil, a random bone, and uses it as a club. These new features are then passed on into its previous form, thus creating cubones too.
     
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    Pokemon evolution doesn't follow real evolution.

    I believe, to an extent, it is alright to assume to some degree natural evolution exists in the Pokemon World.

    Its not as apparent as Pokemon evolution, but I'd bet it still existed in some form.

    I've made my arguement already, its a long read, and was a longer write, but I feel pretty proud.

    Here are some observations I have made:

    -Kangaskhan appears to be a more social pokemon, while the Cubone line seems more solitary.
    -Kangaskhan and the Cubone line have a large difference in size.
    -Infant Kangaskhans and Cubones are different colors.
    -If a Cubone is bred, it is wearing a skull but the mother is still alive, with its skull.
    -Kangaskhan is a female only species; Cubone is 50/50
    -The skull and femur of the Cubone changes when it evolves into Marowak.
    -Kangaskhan has a helmet like patch on its head.

    1.) Kangaskhan appear to be a more social, caring pokemon while Cubone and Marowak seem to be cold and solidary. I believe this difference, in accordance with the theory, shows a vastly traumatic experience present in the Cubone's life (such as, its mothers death). I believe an infant Kangaskhan whose mother has died is in a state of trauma and panic, along with a constant threat of attack by other predators. Perhaps it is an evolutionary instinct, but a young Kangaskhan in order to protect itself will don the skull of the dead mother (serving both as armor and for rememberance) and take a femur (as a weapon) so that it may defend itself.

    I believe there is an evolution present only in a infant Kangaskhan; just as other evolutions require items, the evolution present here requires a threatening atmosphere, a traumatic experience, and the remains of the mother; thus fueling the evolution into a Cubone.

    This would keep with the idea of evolution = growing up, albeit in an alternative way then a normal Kangaskhan. The social Kangaskhan, now left alone will be forced to defend itself, only the strongest will move on and become Cubones; its world will be shattered by the event of its parents death and the donning of the bones for its own protection will mark its new found ability to defend itself and survivor in a cruel enviorment.

    We go from a sweet baby Kangaskhan, to a stoic, lonesome Cubone.

    2.) There is a clear difference in size between Cubone and Kangaskhan. I believe this also has to do with the nature of a Baby Kangaskhans (supposed) evolution into a Cubone, and also perhaps a case of Sexual Dimorphism.

    Size will not always benifit a solitary warrior; in fact, many larger animals (Elephants, Big Cats, ect.) move in herds, which more efficently keep away other predators. Cubone however, having lost the social aspect of its live, will be a loner warrior of sorts.

    In this way, I believe its small size (and the size of a Marowak) serve this Pokemon perfectly for its survival purposes. The Cubone will likely be more agile and manueverable then a Kangaskhan as opposed to a large single target. In this way a Cubone is capable of both vicious attacks and daring escapes.

    However, with the theory of Sexual Dimorphism, we must first decide if the two are compatable.

    Cubone, Marowak and Kangaskhan belong to the Monster Egg Group.

    If I am correct and these two species are related then I believed that in the wild, the common mate of a female Kangaskhan would be a male Marowak. In this sense, do to the differences in upbringings and life we see a clear sexual dimorphism between the species; with the famle the larger partner andthe male the smaller.

    This makes it possible the Cubone and Marowak, though smaller, may in fact be related to the Kangaskhan species.

    3.) Infant Kangaskhan are purple while a Cubone is a sorta orange, perhaps light brown color. In that same regard a full grown Kangaskhan is a dramatically different color to the child.

    The evolution may explain the color difference in terms of age. The colors of a Cubone remain quite different then Kangaskhan's, however a Marowak (the adult form of Cubone) is a darker color closer to that of Kangaskhan. It is not uncommon to see differences in color between sexes (Later I will account for female Cubones) such as with peafowl. I believe this difference in color is trivial.

    4. and 5.) All Kangaskhan are female. Cubones have a 50/50 shot. Cubones born from other Cubones hatch with skulls on their heads, while the mother is in fact fine.

    I am currently reading into chromosomes and such to further my knowledge, but here is my theory so far.

    I believe while at the infant stage, the baby Kangaskhan is hermaphroditic, with its proper gender emerging as it ages. Its gender will depend on certain factors, with basically all members growing into a Kangaskhan. But what about the traumatic evolution into a Cubone.

    I believe this traumatic state puts in place the factors that will allow it to grow into a male, however, their still remains a chance it will be a female. The state only allows for the development of a male breed, not making it certain. It has been noted that a female Azurille will evolve into a male Marill, indicating that the process of evolution in some pokemon can effect there genders.

    With a Pokemon like Kangaskhan (who may or may not evolve unders certain circumstances) an evolution may be enough to allow this divergance.

    But at the same time as Marowak and Kangaskhan can mate, surely a Cubone can mate with a member of its own line. This may explain a why Cubones born in captivity hatches with a skull on its head; when a baby Kangaskhan evolves into a Cubone the skull is no longer just its mothers, its also the cubones, meaning it becomes a part of it.

    If the skull is then thus a legitimate part of the cubone, then the skull of a hatched Cubone would not be its mother, but a form of hereditary armor passed down; as such, I also believe the solidary manner of the species is passed with it.

    This could all explain while the Cubone-Marowak lines have survived even in a time when most Kangaskhans are well kept and less likely to die. Cubones have the ability to breed amongst eachother and continue their line, but it skips the hermaphroditic infant stage of the Khangaskhan and is born an infant Cubone.

    6.) As pointed out above I believe the skull becomes a part of the Cubone when it evolves from a Baby Kangaskhan; I feel this point is backed up by Marowak, in which we can see structural changes in the skull and femur it wears; the skull changes to accomadate the Pokemon... its form changes for that purpose, it is only an extension of the Cubone.

    Take for example Shellder and Slowpoke. The result is a Slowbro; but even though both a Shellder and Slowpoke are present, the Slowbro is considered an evolution of Slowpoke and not Shellder. Both Slowpoke and Shellder change forms in this evolution, Shellder more so then Slowpoke. While the Slowpoke becomes bipedal the Shelders form changes completly, into neither that of a Shellder or Cloyster. This leads me to believe these changes are dependent of it becoming an extension of the Slowpoke. But, this is a whole other theory in itself I suppose.

    However, this might explain why a Cubone's skull doesn't 'exactly' match up to the shape of a Kangaskhan; perhaps the skull has changed to accomadate the infant.

    7.) Finally, there is the morbid subject of a Baby Kangaskhan prying away itys mothers skull.

    It is a grissly image believing the Kangaskhan to skin its mother own head; or even waiting for it to decomposs so it can get at it.

    However, I believe the helmet like patch upon the Kangaskhans head serves for more then just a vicious headbut. In death this helmet could likely be a point from which an opening towards the skull could be made. From her the skull of the dead mother could be better be removed.

    This would also remove the need to wait for decomposition; for as that process would take place the baby will be a threat for a great deal of time. By removing this helmet the baby can quickly remove the skull and from their heighten its chances for survival.

    In this regard, the helmet like patch on a Kangaskhan may be an evolutionary step to accomadate the baby in the case of the mothers death.

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    This all remains theory of course, but that is my case. Any opinions or critique would be appreciated and I apologize if at times this post appeared quite jumbled.

    I want it so sound legit because its gonna be rewritten and used in a fan-fiction by a researcher (along with some other theories) so I tried to be as scientific as I could, even if it defeats the purpose at times.

    Ultimately, at current times the Cubone/Marowak line is a seperate but compatible to the Kangaskhan species; but at the same time I do believe the Cubone/Marowak line is a branch off from Kangaskhan.

    I've had alot of time to think while wondering the Safari Zone!
     

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  • Well there is another piece to the theory. If you had play through Fire Red they will talk about Marowak and ho it died for its son. Well I have a theory that, well if you look closely at marowak you will see that it has line on its stomach, so what I am think that if they do evolve for some reason that the lines on marowaks stomach could become the pouch. And The baby of kangaskhan is cubone. So that is my theory. It might not make sence but it was worth a try.
     
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    I see a massive hole in this as that's when you fight the ghost of Marowack, if the theory was true then Nintendo what have to redo this part an in all honesty, I don't see why anyone would.
     
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  • I believe, to an extent, it is alright to assume to some degree natural evolution exists in the Pokemon World.

    Its not as apparent as Pokemon evolution, but I'd bet it still existed in some form.

    I've made my arguement already, its a long read, and was a longer write, but I feel pretty proud.



    I want it so sound legit because its gonna be rewritten and used in a fan-fiction by a researcher (along with some other theories) so I tried to be as scientific as I could, even if it defeats the purpose at times.

    Ultimately, at current times the Cubone/Marowak line is a seperate but compatible to the Kangaskhan species; but at the same time I do believe the Cubone/Marowak line is a branch off from Kangaskhan.

    I've had alot of time to think while wondering the Safari Zone!
    When I said "pokemon evolution isn't like normal evolution", I wasn't talking about the metamorphosis from one form to another that is more commonly referred to as evolution, but real evolution over time with an older theory applied instead of the modern one used for real life animals.
     
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    When I said "pokemon evolution isn't like normal evolution", I wasn't talking about the metamorphosis from one form to another that is more commonly referred to as evolution, but real evolution over time with an older theory applied instead of the modern one used for real life animals.

    Aye, I understand.

    Really, I just like making theories and such; I might get a bit outlandish and miss the point sometimes, but thats part of the fun.

    btw, as much as I like your lil Aerodactyl theory, after looking at the HG back sprite for Kangaskhan I think the shape of the skull if quite more proportionate to a Khan.
     

    ezekiel112

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  • umm..just putting this out there for everyone complaining about a complete type change. True Kangaskhan is a normal type pokemon and cubone/marowack are ground types, but that wouldnt be the first time a presumed BABY pokemon that was normal changed its type completely. its happened before, example being azurill->marill. normal->water. complete type change.
     

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    I never even believed that Cubone and Marowak were related evolutionarily to Kangaskhan. If I ever even heard about this "legend" before, I thought it was just pure coincidence.

    As I always understood it:
    Cubone > Marowak
    Kangaskhan > does not evolve to or from anything else.

    Even if they were all related to each other, as has been said here, there are minute differences.
     
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    MirroRz

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  • Cubone was probably supposed to evolve into Kangaskan/Be baby Kang, but the idea got scrapped last second for whatever reasons. Therefore it might technically be related, but they don't actually have any relations. Gamefreak scrapped alot of ideas in Gen 1, some of which got introduced later. Just sayin'.

    I like to think it should've been Kang's baby, but Marowak >>>>> Kanga so I'm happy.
     
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    If it was scrapped at the last second why do sprites and official art still have a myriad of differences between the two designs.
     

    MirroRz

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  • The same reason Venomoth from Caterpie makes more sense than Butterfree.

    I was also saying they might've intended Cubone -> Kangaskan early, and changed it later. Causing similarites between them.
     
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