5th Gen [General] Items Discussion

Aiming Mark is going to make Spinning a lot easier. Stall is going to be extinct, if not, very hard to do. Mono attackers will probably see a rise too, since you only need one attack to do the job.

That said about Aiming Mark, Rought Helmet could be used on stall teams, especially those that use Rough Skin as an Ability on some pokemon, effectively stripping 25% of health each time contact is made.

Suimin Goggles is going to be a nightmare on Trick Starmie. SleepTalk / Whirlwind Crobat could be used as a gimmick on stall, since you could use the goggles to sleep, and since Sleep Talk has the same priority as a normal move (e.g. flamethrower), you can get off a fast Whirlwind and rack up entry hazards on Pokemon over and over again, until you wake up, and by the end of the turn when you wake up, you're back to sleep. The one turn Crobat wakes up is your only chance deal with it.

suimin goggles sound awesome! yay for hydro pump superseding surf!! :D

the rest are decent too

Apparently Aiming Mark works in a way like so.

Equip a Gengar with Aiming Mark. Staraptor can hit you with Double Edge, but you can't hit it with Shadow Ball. Gamefreak trolled us. Stall has a decent chance now...

-Aiming Mark is my favorite item on the list. I'm also wondering if it lets the Pokemon bypass abilities like Water/Volt Absorb.
-Pumice Stone could be useful for those heavyweights weak to Low Kick and Grass Knot (like Tyranitar)
-Suimin Goggles is a really good item to Trick on to non-Water Pokemon (assuming the user is the Water type)
-Red Card is good if you don't want to rely on Roar/Whirlwind (though it's a bit risky)
-Balloon's effect makes sense (it makes the holder float above ground, dodging Ground attacks, only for it to pop when it's attacked)

Corruptodile said:

Apparently Aiming Mark works in a way like so.

Equip a Gengar with Aiming Mark. Staraptor can hit you with Double Edge, but you can't hit it with Shadow Ball. Gamefreak trolled us. Stall has a decent chance now...

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but then that item is completely pointless.. unless you use use switcheroo or something? but that would be situational

If Aiming Mark works that way, it'd be like Toxic Orb, Flame Orb, Sticky Barb and the like. Negative effects on the user, but good if... flung? Maybe?

pieguy259 said:

If Aiming Mark works that way, it'd be like Toxic Orb, Flame Orb, Sticky Barb and the like. Negative effects on the user, but good if... flung? Maybe?

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tricked or switcheroo'd would be better

StratusJm said:

but then that item is completely pointless.. unless you use use switcheroo or something? but that would be situational

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I know. I think I read it off Smogon or something, but I wouldn't take it as the truth. It could very well be that it works in the way I originally thought it would (e.g. Raikou can hit Donphan with T-bot when Raikou is equipped with Aiming Mark).

Corruptodile said:

I know. I think I read it off Smogon or something, but I wouldn't take it as the truth. It could very well be that it works in the way I originally thought it would (e.g. Raikou can hit Donphan with T-bot when Raikou is equipped with Aiming Mark).

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it should work that way really i mean the way you said it would work (the gengar/staraptor example) is just ridiculous.

suimin goggles sound awesome though.. can't wait to see how much they raise speed by

StratusJm said:

it should work that way really i mean the way you said it would work (the gengar/staraptor example) is just ridiculous.

suimin goggles sound awesome though.. can't wait to see how much they raise speed by

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Yep.


Kerudio is going to abuse it so bad, with access to high speed off the bat, great special attack and workable physical attack. It also has access to Swords Dance, Cheer Up, Aqua Jet, Hydro Pump, Close Combat, Focus Blast, Stone Edge...yeah, this thing is not pretty. Probably it's main flaw is that it has to rely on Hidden Power to deal with Grass/Dragons.

As for actual boost of Suimin Goggles, I don't know. I wouldn't imagine it being too big though, like the Choice Items.

Corruptodile said:

Yep.

This guy is going to abuse it so bad, with access to high speed off the bat, great special attack and workable physical attack. It also has access to Swords Dance, Cheer Up, Aqua Jet, Hydro Pump, Close Combat, Focus Blast, Stone Edge...yeah, this thing is not pretty. Probably it's main flaw is that it has to rely on Hidden Power to deal with Grass/Dragons.

As for actual boost of Suimin Goggles, I don't know. I wouldn't imagine it being too big though, like the Choice Items.

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i would be happy with 20%

and also the accuracy boost will be handy. yay for hydro pump :)

# Aiming Mark : Lets you hit opponents that are normally immune. For example : Poison vs Steel

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This translation is wrong (not your fault, but the sites who put the info up x3). It was tested on smogon by a mod there and it actually did nothing.

Stellar of Smogon said:

I tested Pendoraa equipped with Aiming Mark using Poison Tail (Poison) against Komatana (Dark / Steel). Poison Tail had no effect.

I tested Gobitto equipped with Aiming Mark using Night Shade (Ghost) against Chillarmy (Normal). Night Shade had no effect

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Ive also been told that it removes your OWN immunities and not theirs. I.e if you put it on your own Bliss a Gengar can hit you with Shadow Ball.

Its best to be safe though to say we really dont have a clue what this item actually does at the moment.

Im glad it doesnt work like people think though. That would be broken beyond belief haha. :x

Magmaruby and Aquasapphire said:

Ah really well if you use Switch or Trickroo you can attack your opponent :D
also what's the point of removing your own immunities...that sounds more useless that Fire orb (though that can be quite useful on a Guts pokemon)

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it isnt meant to remove your own immunities it is meant to be given to another pokemon to get rid of there immunities! another item for lopunny to use then! its very situational though

Magmaruby and Aquasapphire said:

I know but it's useless on a non Trick knowing Pokemon...good thing I have a Alakasm with that move...pesky Dark types...(Or I could just use Miracle eye...)
Yeah it is...I don't like it's real purpose now I thought it was going to eliminate the opponents immunities without the need to switch items or waste a turn :(

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i know right the effect we thought it had was awesome but now its far too situational and i wont be using it

suimin goggles are still awesome though :)