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2016 US Presidential Elections Thread [Trump Wins]

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    • Ivysaur said:
    Welp, I'm afraid you lost your first choice some hours ago- Rand is going to try and salvage his Senate seat in his increasingly looming race at home instead of going for a Presidential race that has clearly slipped off. So go and vote Johnson if you want to make a point (which is something that should happen more), because I'm afraid you are out of options with the two majors now.
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    Yea... I literally found out Rand dropped out after I posted this lol. I have been at school all day and didnt know. :(

    I want Johnson the Libertarian Party can get to 5%. He is the most qualified out of any running Libertarian anyways and when he ran in 2012, he got the most votes the Libertarian Party had ever gotten. Im getting my parents on board and they are slowly, but surely becoming less neocon. So I guess the libertarians will get like 5 votes? lol.
     

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    • Will probably watch it tomorrow, but from what I've read so far it sounds like a whole bunch of media people think Sanders didn't do so well?
     
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    • Kanzler said:
    Will probably watch it tomorrow, but from what I've read so far it sounds like a whole bunch of media people think Sanders didn't do so well?
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    I thought he did well. Clinton was aggressive though, to the point of being sickening. He talked the talk though and came across well enough. To me, Hillary looked desperate to paint him negatively by calling him out for "attacking" her, being an unrealistic candidate, etc. etc. She basically made this a "smear Bernie" debate and he mostly avoided taking the bait.
     

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    • Klippy said:
    I thought he did well. Clinton was aggressive though, to the point of being sickening. He talked the talk though and came across well enough. To me, Hillary looked desperate to paint him negatively by calling him out for "attacking" her, being an unrealistic candidate, etc. etc. She basically made this a "smear Bernie" debate and he mostly avoided taking the bait.
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    The question is, though, do Americans take the bait? What if your average person watches the debate and comes out thinking Bernie is weak or something?
     
    Klippy

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    • I've honestly heard both sides of it. Some say Hillary came off too desperately aggressive, others say Bernie came off as calm and focused on his message (and the opposite: Hillary powerful, Bernie weak). I think there's a spin on it either way, but I personally didn't find Hillary looked strong. Just aggressive, dismissive of new issues cropping up around her, and fake (like usual). She couldn't answer questions or stick to the issues and (basically) took an attacking position much of the night. She was even booed for the behavior at one point.
     

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    • I'll watch the debate today, make my own opinion, and hopefully not be contradicted by the polls coming in later this week.

    EDIT: wtf was that bit about free college? not believing in free college because that helps rich kids get into college? what? and being a woman precludes you from establishment politics? no that's completely besides the point!

    EDIT: mainstream media is bullshit, I think both candidates did very well and demonstrated their strengths. I don't think this debate helped to make Clinton anymore trustworthy or relateable. I think the title of "the person who cares more" goes handily to Sanders, and I think Clinton talked about herself too much and used rhetorical devices too much to the effect of making her speech appear less substantive.
     
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    Ivysaur

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    • Essentially the media loathes Clinton and can't wait to declare her demise. I don't know if it's just because "Clintonwinslol" was too boring a narrative for the race and they just want to somehow pump whoever might challenge her (Biden, Sanders) so we have a competitive race instead of a cakewalk; or if they really, really, really hate her and therefore feel the need to bring up every single stain in her book every calendar day so people don't forget how horrible a politician she is.

    Funnily enough, since Sanders is also supposed to be a terrible candidate (ugh socialism!!!), they don't quite know how to portrait their debates. The most shocking thing is that Dem debates tend to be civil and based on actual policy discussion instead of a grand free-for-all battle royale full of zingers, no-answers and insane statements (see: anything featuring Trump, Cruz, Rubio), but the narrative is regardless "fight to the death".
     
    Ivysaur

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    • Can anyone guess when the Rubio Malfunction happened by looking at the poll averages?

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    This is probably the most exciting vote so far, as we have no clue who will finish second. And if that person is anybody but Rubio, then the four-way battle for Establishment Candidate will drag on and on while Trump and Cruz manage to walk away with their own personal group of supporters.
     
    Klippy

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    • Ivysaur said:
    Can anyone guess when the Rubio Malfunction happened by looking at the poll averages?

    This is probably the most exciting vote so far, as we have no clue who will finish second. And if that person is anybody but Rubio, then the four-way battle for Establishment Candidate will drag on and on while Trump and Cruz manage to walk away with their own personal group of supporters.
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    He was regarded as performing poorly in the latest debate. He repeated a really canned/rehearsed line that he had previously used in another debate, which a lot of critics noticed and made a big issue. He was also ripped on hard by Christie during the latest debate, while Trump and Cruz went away pretty decently. Kasich will likely perform well and remain in the race, seeming more viable if he does well here, so it'll definitely be interesting.
     
    Ivysaur

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    • Klippy said:
    He was regarded as performing poorly in the latest debate. He repeated a really canned/rehearsed line that he had previously used in another debate, which a lot of critics noticed and made a big issue. He was also ripped on hard by Christie during the latest debate, while Trump and Cruz went away pretty decently. Kasich will likely perform well and remain in the race, seeming more viable if he does well here, so it'll definitely be interesting.
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    It's not that he had used it in another debate- it's that he used it four times in this debate. He even recited the line while Christie was calling him out for doing it! That's why I said that the Malfunction is eerily close to the moment when his polling suddenly does an u-turn towards the ground. Can he recover during voting day?
     
    Klippy

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    • Ivysaur said:
    It's not that he had used it in another debate- it's that he used it four times in this debate. He even recited the line while Christie was calling him out for doing it! That's why I said that the Malfunction is eerily close to the moment when his polling suddenly does an u-turn towards the ground. Can he recover during voting day?
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    I swear I heard it in another debate as well.

    Can he recover? Yes. He's establishment golden boy and still often predicted as the likely nominee, but this vote will seriously tell us what his future looks like. As you said, this is an exciting vote because second is such a wildcard. I think it's easy to predict where people like Fiorina will end up, but it's hard to know who will get ahead later on. I can somewhat confidently say I think Rubio, Cruz, and Trump will be the final three - unless one of them really screws up. Bush can stay in longterm thanks to big donors, but Kasich...is still a wildcard to me. Tomorrow tells a lot of where he ends up. Carson...probably done soon. Weak showing in Iowa and a weak appearance here will end his campaign (I feel).
     

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    • Klippy said:
    Don't rustle my jimmies. Let's just hope for a landslide. I think anything close like Iowa and Clinton will claim a victory as she did there.
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    On realclearpolitics the polls are averaging 54.5% for Sanders and 41.2% for Clinton. If those estimates are good, and if only 1% of the votes are wasted, and if all of the remaining 3.3% who were unsure when polled go to Sanders, then it'd be 58/41 which I'm not sure if is enough of a victory. I hope that the polls are as off for NH as they were for Iowa as that might translate into a significant victory for Sanders. If this trend of polls consistently underestimating support for Sanders continues, it might indicate that a whole lot of people are "guilty" Sanders supporters who don't make their intentions public until election day.
     
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    • Well now things get interesting for Sanders can he close the gap in SC and Nevada where he is trailing Clinton if bernie can get sharptons endorsement that might help him with the minoritie vote.
     
    Livewire

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    • Rubio is probably regretting that pompous speech, he hasn't exactly had a good week and now the primary today sees my state's Governor, Kasich, and Bush jump him in NH, haha. Trump winning wasn't a surprise, New Hampshire is kind of a fringe state ideology wise, so his rhetoric fits right in with some of the more right-wing Republicans. NH is also basically Bernie's backyard, being the senator from Vermont, so his hefty win over Hilary here was expected. Cruz still did pretty well here though, but he's basically fringe himself so he also benefits like Trump does from this demographic. Really didn't expect Jeb to be third, though.

    Edit: Huffpo has Jeb in third, 11.2% of the vote and 2 delegates, Slate has him at 4th. Oh well.
     
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