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[Discussion] Community-made Mystery Dungeon Starter Kit

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carmaniac

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Rayquaza. said:
No, XP is fine. I work with it for Skyblaze but it has been around far too long and I think we need to see other RPG makers used for games.
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But what's the point in using the one of the other two RPG Makers? What makes them so special, what features are there that make such a big difference to give a reason to change over?
 
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carmaniac said:
But what's the point in using the one of the other two RPG Makers? What makes them so special, what features are there that make such a big difference to give a reason to change over?
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Honestly? If there was a Pokemon Essentials Starter Kit (complete and stable, like the current one) for VX Ace, I'd switch to that. Biggest reason, and probably primary, is that it has a bigger and better support for media libraries, and the ability to play loopable .ogg files. Spritesheets are also handled with one less sprite for a direction, so instead of it being 4x4, it'd end up being 3x4.
It's not about the big changes, but the little changes that make developing just a tad easier in the long run.
There's also room for more tilesets than the basic 7 we're limited to in XP. That's been a massive issue of mine since day one, being limited to 7 in a tileset. VX and VX Ace have an entire section devoted to tilesets, an infinite number can go into it. Tiles in general are easier to work with - instead of needing to create a supermassive tileset, tilesets can be broken up into individual parts, smaller parts. Granted, you're only allowed about 5 parts per tileset, but that should be more than plenty to go crazy with making maps.
So yeah, that's basically reasons I'd see for moving a project to VX if possible, not that it'd be advised if you made large progress on XP. Stick to what you've done if it's a lot.
 
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carmaniac said:
But what's the point in using the one of the other two RPG Makers? What makes them so special, what features are there that make such a big difference to give a reason to change over?
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There is a wider variety of tilesets for use, the most up-to-date version of ruby and the general aesthetics level is far higher (e.g. Quick event creation).

Anglican said:
Just doing a bit of research - there are 60 IQ Skills, available at http://www.serebii.net/dungeon2/iqskills.shtml
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Rayquaza. said:
Just need to worry about the OWs to be honest.
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If you still need those B/W OWs I seem to have stumbled upon some

I could also put them in any RPG maker character format if you want since they aren't in the format.
 

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The only difference from mystery dungeon is that they have on attack and a diagonal which I could sprite for you and I'll use the sprites I have as a reference, if you want me to that is.
 
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Cresent97 said:
The only difference from mystery dungeon is that they have on attack and a diagonal which I could sprite for you and I'll use the sprites I have as a reference, if you want me to that is.
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No, that is not the only difference, PMD sprites have always had far more detail on them than HGSS to BW sprites have:

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See the difference? Guess which one is PMD.
 

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Rayquaza. is right. There is too bigger difference. BW overworlds have a very dull walking animation in comparison with PMD sprites which are more detailed and have a very smooth walking animation. Add it up - they're not the same.
 
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Yeah. A lot of my friends have actually said, "I want a pokemon following script in X/Y, and I want MD graphics". And. They're. Right. The quality in MD sprites is much higher than the Pokemon OW's in the main games

Anyway, did a bit of work on a Java version, I've got the basics for IQ, status's and type covered I think. Screenies in attachments
 
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I support this project so much! But I'm just a regular programmer, and a busy one at that. I'm afraid I can only cheer you guys on for this one. Please make something wonderful.
 

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I want this so badly! But I can't be of any help. I will be cheering you guys on though!
PMD games are my favorite games of the pokemon series. Even more than the main ones!
 
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Nice to see a lot of support :D
A heads-up though, for people wishing to use it - This probably won't be ready for a while (Unless the lack of posts from devs on this thread is a sign of development, not lack of it).
 
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Personally I think it would be wiser to build off of CNG's VX kit, it had some really nice progress. Regarding graphics I suggest we use Mystery Dungeon Red, as it's simpler and has less colors, making it much more suited for a starter kit (easy to download, still good looking).

Also, movement is fixed in dungeons, but outside of dungeons it is all pixelmovement, like Zelda. This may be changeable by a switch, but would require modification of an 8-way directional and pixelmovement script.

I am willing to help with this!
 
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Evil Arms said:
Personally I think it would be wiser to build off of CNG's VX kit, it had some really nice progress. Regarding graphics I suggest we use Mystery Dungeon Red, as it's simpler and has less colors, making it much more suited for a starter kit (easy to download, still good looking).

Also, movement is fixed in dungeons, but outside of dungeons it is all pixelmovement, like Zelda. This may be changeable by a switch, but would require modification of an 8-way directional and pixelmovement script.

I am willing to help with this!
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I agree, CNG's kit has useful stuff in it. there are also alot of PMD red graphics on the spriters-resource. It would be useful to have your input if you're willing to contribute. Can you script?
 
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Rayquaza. said:
I agree, CNG's kit has useful stuff in it. there are also alot of PMD red graphics on the spriters-resource. It would be useful to have your input if you're willing to contribute. Can you script?
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I'm not very good at scripting itself, but I'm good with damage calculation and implementing formulas. I can also compile plenty of graphical resources.
 
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Not at all, the more we all contribute the faster this will become a reality.

EDIT: After some digging around, I learned that Poccil has already worked out the damage calculation for basic moves and has posted all stats for each level that every Pokemon has:

Damage-
http://www.upokecenter.com/games/dungeon/guides/damagesimple.php
http://www.upokecenter.com/games/dungeon2/guides/damage.php

Stats-
http://www.upokecenter.com/games/dungeon/guides/stats.php?view=levels
http://www.upokecenter.com/games/dungeon2/guides/stats.php?view=levels

Now, I'm not sure about adding anything that wasn't from Red and Blue Mystery as I haven't played any of them, so I may be inaccurate about some things since I am going by information on Red Rescue Team.
 
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UnderMybrella

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I realise that there hasn't been a post here in a while, but I've recently worked on it a bit more, and I've got a decent bit of news - I've modified the passability of tiles to allow you to walk on water tiles IF the first Pokemon in the party is a water type, and allows you to walk on lava tiles IF the first Pokemon in the party is a fire type. I'll work on the IQ skill bit now
 
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