You mean the one single thing in which she was specifically targeting groups like the KKK rather than his entire voter base,
You think half of Trump supporters are like the KKK? Bloody hell man, you're proving my point.
We're not having a conversation, but alright thanks for that scathing in-depth critique of my point, it's certainly made me rethink my stance
You're welcome.
If someone can justify to them self why voting for the racist candidate with racist policies is not supporting racism, or racist in itself I think that speaks a lot for their own moral system
It's funny. On one hand, Hands is telling me that by no means is the left calling Trump supporters racists. And here you are, calling Trump supporters racists.
If you think voting for Trump is racist in itself I'm pretty much done with this conversation. Please clarify so I can see if I need to end this discussion entirely.
No... it's not? I'm telling you it's more complex than "teh SJWs!!!" and saying that is said """SJW""" is indigenous and not reflective of the issues actually involved in Trump's rise
Well I guess it's a good job that I never said "teh SJWs!!!", isn't it?
I'm not suggesting that it comes with baggage, just that maybe you should take a step back and look at why it does, and why your friends could have such an extreme reaction, and why you'd put your support behind the candidate like that.
I did. Guess what, it was unjustified nonsense. It was people saying "Well if you think that you must be racist". And you know, I'm not a racist. Unless you mean to say I am?
Take, for example, if said friend is LGBT in some fashion and would be angry because they're genuinely fearful of what a Trump presidency brings, can you really call that baggage "unwarrented"? If your support is behind the candidate that could legitimately hurt your friends, or family, fear that they might not be happy about that isn't.... wrong, or indicative of ""how the liberals have made the world"".
My support is not behind any such candidate. I'm British, dude.
And what indicates if something is a riot or a protest? If some property is damaged by someone during an otherwise peaceful protest, does it become a riot? Is it only a riot if you don't agree with what they're protesting?
I'm not the one who draws the line, I'm saying some have crossed that line wherever it is. Are you saying there haven't been riots?
It's not, it's exercising your democratic right to protest. The majority of people voted for Clinton, yet Trump won, and people are angry and protesting the system and the decision.
Yes, people have the democratic right to be anti-democracy. When did I say they didn't? Why are the two things (exercising your democratic right to protest and being anti-democracy) mutually exclusive?
Taking posts out of context is fun, isn't it? The person said I was calling
specific protests anti-democracy, and he said that before I even made any similar claim. I wasn't accusing him of saying something unrepresentative of what I believe - I do believe anti-democracy protests are going on. I was accusing him of misrepresenting my previous posts. Taking something I said after the fact is useless.
But again, they all supported a candidate and policies bigoted in all those ways. Anyway, the original point from you was that it was a culture of "calling people stuff" that Trump's rise was caused by, now you've sidestepped and it's entirely the fault of calling Trump supporters X (Which is just a strawman, again)
"calling people stuff" vs "calling Trump supporters X" - I don't see much of a difference?
Ah yes, slightest missteps like... constant streams of misogynist, xenophobic ect statements and rhetoric.
Not what I was talking about. Strawman.
To claim that was a big reason for his popularity just isn't right, when that almost entierly falls upon his lies and rhetoric, and the "i'll say whatever they want to hear" mentality he had over the entire election
Prove it..? I thought this was supposed to be a discussion. Your argument is "X was not the reason, for A, B and C other reasons. Y was the reason."
A bulk, not the bulk, a bulk. A bulk means a large chunk. And yes, I am calling people who refer to M Obama as an ape or to all Muslims as terrorists or who say Syrian refugees deserve to die racist because they absolutely are. These same people also supported Trump. It really, really isn't hard.
Bulk implies a much larger number of people than we're actually talking about, and will unless you can present some real numbers to suggest that the number is actually this large.
I'm fairly sure I fired off a bunch of reasons in an earlier post listing far more key reasons Trump is the president elect, I've got a good feeling you've simply skimmed over it.
I actually did read it, thanks for having faith.
But listing other factors that helped Trump become president is fairly inconsequential as far as disproving a point.
Edit: Also were is absolutely the correct word, were is past tense, you made the suggestion in a prior post which makes it past tense.
The riots are still happening. Present tense.