A Semi-Staller Team

[DDM]

Torterra (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP/6 Def/252 SDef
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Substitute
- Crunch
- Wood Hammer
Crunch is on there as a suprise to some ghosts.
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Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Wish
- Yawn
- Surf
- Toxic
Yawn if SR is up, otherwise just Toxic to death.
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Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 SDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic Spikes
- Spikes
Spin away spikes and blow up their spiker.
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Azelf @ Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Nasty Plot
- Psychic
- Flamethrower
- Grass Knot
Standard Nasty Plot Azelf.
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Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 6 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Moonlight
- Yawn
- Toxic
My other staller, moonlight for additionial survivability.
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Garchomp (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
Life Orb Chomp, what elese is there to say? He handles the steels that otherwise kill my team.
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Rate and crituique please.

 

[Marcy_11]

Problems I can see:
- 3 x 200% bug weaknesses and only really forretress to absorb it, be very careful with that
Watch for Heracross who always packs megahorn
Gliscors a good counter with higher speed and aerial ace though I dont know if itd fit on your team

-2 x 400% to ice but you can just switch into vaporeon or forretress

-Substitute seems rather pointless on Torterra because he doesnt take advantage of it in any way, he also is a better physical wall, its always better to work with pokemons strengths

Consider:

Torterra (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 200 HP/252 def/58 atk or speed
Impish nature (+ def, - sp.atk)
- Stealth Rock
- Substitute
- Leech seed
- Wood Hammer/Crunch

-I also think itd be better to replace either toxic or yawn on vaporeon with ice beam to get rid of dragons and grasses + again go with Vaporeon's strengths which isnt defense but sp.def

-Forretress works best like this

Forretress@Leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 hp,162 atk, 96 def
-Toxic spikes
-Spikes/earthquake/gyro ball
-Rapid Spin
-Explosion


-Umbreon: Pick either yawn or toxic and moonlight or wish and give it taunt to stop set ups and give possibly give him confuse ray though it worries me that he has no attacking moves

 

[Archer]

If you are going for a stall team, you WILL need an anti-spin. Spiritomb is nice

 

[Angelic Diablo]

Torterra (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP/152 Atk, 106 Def
Adament/Impish
- Stealth Rock
- Substitute
- Crunch/Earthquake
- Wood Hammer
Crunch is on there as a suprise to some ghosts.
No point in backing his special defense, stick with the strong points. Consider EQ for extra STAB
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Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP/4 SpAtk/252 Def
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Wish
- Yawn/Protect
- Surf
- Toxic
Yawn if SR is up, otherwise just Toxic to death.
Consider protect to stall out some more toxic pain, also helps self heal with Wish...
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Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Def
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic Spikes/Gyro Ball
- Spikes
Spin away spikes and blow up their spiker.
Gyro Ball hurts coming from this thing, also Explosion might not be the best thing to do to your spinner as well
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Azelf @ Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Nasty Plot
- Psychic
- Flamethrower
- Grass Knot
Standard Nasty Plot Azelf.
Meh, no use for Naive if you aint blowing up in Blissey's face, could change to Timid unless this isn't for Shoddy
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Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 6 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Moonlight
- Yawn/Protect
- Toxic
My other staller, moonlight for additionial survivability.
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Garchomp (M) @ Life Orb/Salac Berry
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Dragon Claw/Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang/Substitute
Life Orb Chomp, what elese is there to say? He handles the steels that otherwise kill my team.
SubSDChomp = pain
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Rate and crituique please.

A lot of weird EVs there, SDef shouldn't be an issue for pokemon like Forretress and Torterra as they will get walked over by Flamethrowers and Ice Beams regardless.

Umbreon and Vaporeon seem to be doing the exact same thing, I'd consider replacing one with a more reliable Special Wall... Blissey, Snorlax, Regice, Articuno... whatever you want

 

[El Gofre]

The majority of stuff's been covered. I'd also scrap Jolly on torterra, speeding that thing up is pointless. Go Adamant or impish.

 

[Archer]

A lot of weird EVs there, SDef shouldn't be an issue for pokemon like Forretress and Torterra as they will get walked over by Flamethrowers and Ice Beams regardless.

Umbreon and Vaporeon seem to be doing the exact same thing, I'd consider replacing one with a more reliable Special Wall... Blissey, Snorlax, Regice, Articuno... whatever you want

Actually, both of them can turn out to be fairly sturdy if they carry wish. Regice doesn't get that sort of reliable recovery. But true, they are doing exactly the same thing. Snorlax would cover the double 4x Ice weakness the team has.

Suggestion:
- Azelf (Lead)
- Garchomp
- Snorlax
- Forretress
- Torterra (If you must)
- Vaporeon

 

[Dark Azelf]

Actually, both of them can turn out to be fairly sturdy if they carry wish. Regice doesn't get that sort of reliable recovery. But true, they are doing exactly the same thing. Snorlax would cover the double 4x Ice weakness the team has.

Suggestion:
- Azelf (Lead)
- Garchomp
- Snorlax
- Forretress
- Torterra (If you must)
- Vaporeon

Azelf as lead is kinda bad, CB Tar can survive any un boosted hit from it and Pursuit it. Same with weavile except its faster and doesnt need to survive. Ive used elf as a lead before and regretted it for that reason.

Starting a match out 5-6 automatically, puts you on the back foot. Azelf is the best lead here however. But i think leading with Chomp may be better.

Torterra (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Def / 44 Speed
Impish nature
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed
- Crunch
- Wood Hammer

Torterra is a tank and should be EV'D as such. Sub just cuts away from its hp needlessly

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Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP//252 Def / 70 sp.att
Bold nature
- Wish
- Hidden power Electric
- Surf
- Ice Beam

Gyarados weak team is Gyarados weak...
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Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/ 16 att / 200 def / 40 sp.def
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Gyro ball
- Spikes / Toxic Spikes

Ewww, your only hope against weavile is to blow up =/


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Azelf @ Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 42 hp / 252 sp.att / 216 speed
Timid nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Nasty Plot
- Psychic
- Flamethrower
- Grass Knot / Hidden power Fighting

I prefer the ability to hit Heatran and actually do something to dark types.

Max speed is redundant, you outspeed Gengar with 216 evs, 42 hp allows you to survive a weaviles pursuit should you stay in AND a specs starmie surf.
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Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 6 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Moonlight
- Yawn
- Toxic
My other staller, moonlight for additionial survivability.

Is dead weight
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Garchomp (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang

Jolly plzz.
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Comments are in bold, IMO you really need a special wall >> Umbreon who is dead weight on this team. Really special sweepers walk all over you. Snorlax as said above or Blissey should suffice.


What you do need aswell is a sold fighting resist, I think Gliscor >> Torterra may be wise, or Heracross, Lucario etc REALLY hurt.


Something to consider.

 

[Aquilae]

Heracross/SD Luke weakness. I would put a standard Gliscor > Torterra, with Stealth Rock as the support move for extra residual damage.

In my opinion Gyro Ball > Toxic Spikes - Gyro Ball allows Forretress to handle Weavile and other stuff while having Explosion as your only attack makes you vulnerable. I actually would suggest Light Screen > Explosion for general support.

For Vaporeon HP Electric > Yawn for Gyarados, I actually would prefer Roar on the last slot instead of Toxic for PHazing, considering that Vaporeon would not actually lure in threatening walls to Toxic them.

Scrap Umbreon - it is easily walled and your team would have no need of the utilities it provides. I would advise you to go with the other rater's suggestions and put Snorlax > Umbreon for special threats, Body Slam/Crunch/Rest/Sleep Talk.

Lastly I believe Yache Berry is a superior option on Garchomp - I am inclined to say that SubSDChomp does not do much unless in Sandstorm scouting for a miss. Including Tyranitar/Hippowdon here would pretty much change the way the team works so I would advise against introducing one of them.
If you do use SubSDChomp, Salac Berry is the best item you can have on it, Brightpowder is not advisable. Leftovers are available if your HP is odd.

Yache Berry is the superior option to break Cresselia which your team would have major problems with.

 

[Lord Mike]

This team is REALLY Bug weak.

Torterra: Don't give it SDef EVs. It'll still be OHKOed by Ice Beam. Oh, and, give it an Impish Nature.

Vaporeon: Ice Beam>Yawn, DO NOT MAX OUT HP, PUT SOME OF THE HP EVs IN S-ATK

Forry: No S-Def EVs, Max out HP, almost max out Def, put rest in Attack, Impish Nature

Umby: Toxic, Mean Look, Confuse Ray, Baton Pass/Rest/Moonlight/Wish

Garchomp: Most HP EVs.

Hey, guys, imagine if my Jolly Life Orb Electivire with 3 Elemental Punches and Cross Chop came along...

 

[Sora_8920]

This team is REALLY Bug weak.

Torterra: Don't give it SDef EVs. It'll still be OHKOed by Ice Beam. Oh, and, give it an Impish Nature.

Vaporeon: Ice Beam>Yawn, DO NOT MAX OUT HP, PUT SOME OF THE HP EVs IN S-ATK

Forry: No S-Def EVs, Max out HP, almost max out Def, put rest in Attack, Impish Nature

Umby: Toxic, Mean Look, Confuse Ray, Baton Pass/Rest/Moonlight/Wish

Garchomp: Most HP EVs.

Hey, guys, imagine if my Jolly Life Orb Electivire with 3 Elemental Punches and Cross Chop came along...

Doesn't Forry usually run Relaxed? :P

 

[Lord Mike]

Oh, well, if he's using Gyro Ball, sure. If not, use Impish.

 

[sims796]

I wanted to point out, Torterra has pretty respectable sp.def. Only his Ice weakness put him down.