Battledex: Golduck advice?

[Frostweaver]

Tried doing a Golduck log entry last night, but can't come up with anything half decent... here's the problem whenever I tried using Golduck

-Golduck's best stats out of its totally balanced stats are hp, sp.atk and sp.def, so you can abuse calm mind pretty easily, however that makes Golduck overshadowed by Slowbro, and overshadowing is something I am desperately trying to prevent

-Golduck has a HUGE movepool, and even got the valuable cross chop, but then the EV section is just messed if it tries to mix sweep... its base stats aren't that good enough to use cross chop without any attack EV as well.

-if Golduck is to just go physical with light screen support, then it becomes overshadowed by Swampert (again, not good)

-if Golduck tries to destroy weather abusers (Exeggutor and Omastar, for example), then you're still messed... perhaps Exeggutor does lose sunny day boost, but the solarbeam still mess you over, even if it now takes a turn to charge up. And it can sunny day again after Golduck's blasted by the weakened solarbeam. If you switch Golduck out, then... sunny day again? If you're against Omastar, then Omastar can still destroy you with HP Grass, and Omastar's defense resist Cross chop pretty well unless you hax a critical, and being part water neutralizes surf's damage. If you're against a thunder user, well they can still use thunder and risk a bit on accuracy to get you...

So, any ideas on how to use Golduck well? The most troubling factor is how Golduck got hit by the nerf stick so hard by the EV system, similiar to Kingdra...

 

[Magic Mike]

I always used mine like this

Golduck@Salac Berry
EVs- 255 Spec Attack, 255 Spec Defense
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Ice Beam
-Surf

 

[Frostweaver]

that's exactly the problem... why don't I just transfer those 4 moves directly on a Slowbro and make a much better use of it? =/

 

[Mana Lugia]

Well, you don't have any choice, it's quite possibly the best Duck set out there. It's the same with quite a few UU pokemon.

 

[HellishHades]

that's exactly the problem... why don't I just transfer those 4 moves directly on a Slowbro and make a much better use of it? =/

There's a reason why UU monsters are UU.

If Golduck could use Slowbro's move-set better, then Slowbro would be over-shadowed. The Calm-Minding set is the best in my opinion.

 

[Frostweaver]

UU Pokemon are UU sometimes because of stats, not because of overshaodw. Kangaskan is not overshadowed by anything, as nothing is as tanky as Kangaskan with out of all the Pokemon with early bird/shed skin ability to abuse rest. However, it's still UU just because its sp.def is not so formidable, and Snorlax is too good in stats in comparison.

There's also Quagsire, who in stats are overshadowed by Swampert, but it can do things that Swampert cannot do... *yawn*

 

[Mana Lugia]

And you can't find one thing that Golduck can do that someone else can't do better, so Golduck is overshadowed :p

 

[Xilion_Sword90]

Golduck can CM and Sweep, Screech/Swagger, use Hypnosis with 295 max Speed (I think), burn some HP for Counter, Sub-Punch, use Rest/Sleep Talk and .... use Mimic?

 

[kirby00]

swagger/psych-up/screech/brick break or return or hp psycial... @left overs
or for special tank: light screen, subsitute, calm mind, surf/ice beam/hp special @leftovers

 

[Pogiforce-14]

That's teh name of the game anyway. You're always going to find somethign better somewhere. I honestly haven't seen many people use Slowbor though, nor Exeggutor or Omastar. Golduck is just one of those pokemon you'll have to use out of faith and hope the opponent doesn't have one of those three they've ev trained to the max. :\