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Can the anime redeem itself in 5th gen?

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    Move Team Rocket on or at least put them on the back burner for a while with them only appearing every now and then.

    Back in the beginning they added some much needed comedic value to the show but as times gone they've gotten boring and repetitive in my view making each episode predictable, i.e new pokemon introduced, TR rocket steal it and then are defeated by Ash co rinse and repeat for almost every episode, felt this way since around about mid Johto.
     

    Neurotripsy

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  • I'm a big fan of the original pokemon. The anime has just gotten so smarmy lately, it's like a big smarm sandwich with smarm dressing. What bugs me most is that all the characters are interchangeable. Any line could be said by any one of them, and it wouldn't change a thing; they've become a like a sticky gum Frankenstein, one big blob of character traits that they rarely if ever deviate from. I loved when the female protag was a hot headed, fire cracker sweetheart with a big attitude; and Brock was silly and playful (because he had to take care of his little siblings?) and fell over any pretty girl because he was just so flattering and extroverted; and when Ash wasn't the epitome of a perfect trainer, he was just a kid with giant dreams and his head in the clouds and kind of a dork, because every kid could identify with that. I guess they all had to experience character growth, but the growth has stopped because the franchise has lived on, I think. If I were the boss, I would put the poor show out if its misery. All the creativity has been replaced by flashy attacks and sparkly contests and the generic theme of bland, easily-won heroism. But I'm probably just an old die-hard, reminiscing on those halcyon days when I would run to my bedroom after school every day just in time to watch "Tower of Terror" or "Pokemon Shipwreck", and when James didn't sound like he had a nasty sinus infection. So I guess what I'm saying is that I doubt the 5th generation will be any better than the last, because the characters have nowhere to go but downhill anymore.
    ^ Pretty much exactly my feelings on the new series, only expressed more eloquently. ;)

    Raise the demographic
    It's possible to make a show that is as appealing to a younger audience as it is an older one. Just look at shows like Avatar: the Last Airbender and the likes. You don't have to stoop the show down to the levels of Dora the Explorer and all that jazz.
    Definitely agree with this. I know a lot of their target audience is younger children, but they should also take into consideration that the fans who've stuck with the show since the very beginning have grown up & are losing interest with the way the storytelling quality has dipped.
     

    GlalieX

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    1: Bring back Veronica Taylor to voice Ash, along with the majority of the old voices.
    2: Don't make Team Rocket show up in EVERY episode. Gets irritating.
    3: Bring back May.
    4: Restore the more intense rivalry between Gary and Ash.
    5: Introduce Max actually starting his journey. Doesn't have to travel with Ash, but I'd like to see him try going against Ash at some point. :P
     

    Vernikova

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  • GlalieX said:
    4: Restore the more intense rivalry between Gary and Ash.

    Their rivalry was never that intense. The only thing that Gary did was make fun of Ash for always being ahead of him in their quests. They didn't even battle in the Indigo League. They had to battle in the Silver Conference in a region where Gary didn't appear much at all.

    Paul and Ash were better as rivals really.
     

    Bloothump

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  • It's been a while since I forced my opinion on someone. Good old days.

    Ahh, the good old days.

    In your opinion, he isn't very funny. We have to understand that the people that this show is targeted to most likely have never seen Brock in their lives and find him fresh because of that. I also don't see how Pokémon Breeder isn't a signifiant enough class either. It's just the writers don't focus on him since the other two main characters (Ash & Dawn) have to take that spotlight. Why? They'd have to be focusing on four different plots at the same time if they made Brock more significant.

    I understand that the younger audience may not find him as annoying as I do, but a little more character development is appreciated. Yes, even when you're seven. And it's not that you have to give him his own plot, I just dislike how he calls himself a breeder when he doesn't even breed pokemon. All he does is feed them.



    I doubt that every character on the hero main cast will have an individual plot that would be focused on throughout an entire saga. I think that at most two of the main heroes, as always, will have their goals focused on while the rest of Co. does their best to not do anything.

    Also, Pokémon Contests are supposed to be aimed at girls so it would only be expected that May & Dawn participated in it and not Brendan & Lucas.

    I'm not saying every character needs to have their own plot.And exactly, pokemon contests are aimed at girls. Why? Because most girls aren't strong enough to battle? I disagree. Pokemon contests should be aimed at anyone who prefers using pokemon to appeal as apposed to battling.


    Automatically better? He lost tied with Paul and lost to Roark and Gardenia when he first challenged them. This especially is because of the fact that he captures new Pokémon whenever he arrives in a new region. How is that message even brought up? It's clearly just a "Teacher teaches student" message brought up here. How does one even come up with that idea?

    You're right, I forgot about Paul because he was so stereotypical, badly voice acted and forgettable. Oh well. Also, that battle was to boring for me to remember, I guess. And I do remember him losing to Roark now. But seriously, we saw 3 different battles with Roark. Over done? Yes. I get this idea because it happened with May too. Ash: Hello girl, you are hopeless, let me take you under my wing. Oh you suck, let's fix that, I can because I'm a boy. Girl: I think I'll just wear this pretty dress and join a contest instead. <3
    This is the impression I get, if you don't see it, then that's you.



    First of all, Soul Eater has a much bigger animation budget than Pokémon does. You can see this in Pokémon movies as well. Anyway, Pokémon battles are clearly just meant to be a fun sport and not put the Pokémon in any actual danger. This is supported by the fact that it's constantly mentioned that Pokémon Trainers should know when to forfeit a battle and that they should protect and be friends with their Pokémon.

    I don't see why the budget is so much better, pokemon seems more popular in my opinion. And if any show can last for what is it now, 11 seasons, should have a pretty high animation budget. I'm not saying that pokemon get terribly hurt personally, just damage their surroundings. If the show is really targeted towards younger audiences, they'll just jump up and down and not question that.

    Many episodes in Diamond & Pearl aren't actual filler episodes. I also think a lot of the fillers have been rather fun but whatever.

    See, that's your opinion. And I respect it, and I'm glad you enjoy the series. I personally dislike the fillers of this generation, because it's always the same thing. And it seems to always take place in a forest....
    In the first season, i remember every filler was "on the road" to the next badge. The trio would often get lost, and most of the time the episode was centered around a wild pokemon, as opposed to trainer-in-assistance of the week.

    I think it redeemed itself in the Advanced Generation.

    I agree, I found those episodes pretty watchable.


    Ash is still ten.

    Yeah . . . .

    He's at least eleven. In the pikachu-short before pokemon 2000, Ash tells pikachu that the current day is the one year anniversary of when they met. Considering that they met on his tenth birthday... yeah. Also, I think that the whole drop in voice is at least some indication that he's a older. Maybe not. Whatever.

    The show is targeted at kids (if you insist, Japanese kids). Why should they ever do anything to appeal to the older generation?


    Because it's for 7 year olds. It's turning into Dora the Explorer in it's simplicity.


    Coordinator is enough, why do we need a contest star? If the character is a contest star, does it mean (s)he'll be winning every contest she's in? That's gonna be boring.

    FYI Dawn doesn't suck in battles. Did you even WATCH the episodes? Did you, in case, watch the tag battles?
    Same for May. Yes, I don't remember seeing her have trainer battles, but the contests weren't as elegant and frilly as you think. Like the battle against Drew.

    By contest star, I mean coordinator. I forgot to use the official term. Well, I've watched like, the first twenty episodes and then a couple other than that. I don't follow the series diligently because I think it's terrible. And I think I remember this Drew battle you're talking about, but it was a while ago so its still cloudy.


    I begin to worry if you have EVER watched the episodes at all. Do you remember Paul for instance? Do you remember how Ash lost to Roark and Gardenia, and if we count her, Fantina?

    We had that male newbie who wanted to catch a Yanma. Ash stepped in to help. (With Dawn and Brock, but still.) Your point?

    I remember Paul once you mention him. I remember Roark. Never saw the Gardenia or Fatina episode. I saw the Yamna episode. As I said, I kind of wish Ash could be a trainer, not the world's hero because he is oh-so-great. In the first season fillers, Ash focused on his own issues and worked on his own training. He went to interesting areas and had interesting experiences there. Instead, he just helps strangers now, and its boring. In general, I dislike Ash's righteousness in the series nowadays.

    Let your Pokemon move freely a bit? Are you kidding me? Your Pokemon should trust in your commands, and you should trust the Pokemon in delivering. Any other unnecessary "free"time means your Pokemon doesn't trust you, and you are in for big trouble then.

    As I said earlier, younger kids wouldn't pick up on that. I wouldn't mind it as long as it reduced the amounts of annoying move calling out. At least just say "Attack!" or "You know what to do!" because a thousand "quick attacks" in a row gets on my nerves.

    If the battles are dangerous, you are endangering your Pokemon, your partner and your friend. Forfeit as soon as possible.


    Pokemon are not dangerous to eachother, but people. Considering they are fantastical beings, I think they can take a punch or two.


    This isn't the games. When you're in real life, do you expect yourself to be able to get to the other city in an HOUR? I like it that they take a little realism and also mix a little from games.
    Do you see the trainers in the routes? Take them as the filler characters and you'll see what I mean.

    You're right, this isn't the game, so there shouldn't be so many random encounters as it's annoying to add so many insignificant characters. It's just a waste of a name. I'm fine with filler episodes, it can take them forty episodes to get to a gym as long as said filler episodes are entertaining. But the whole repetitive "Hey stranger, I'll help you", formula is used way to often. Before, they focused on Ash's trial, terrors, and adventures, and that was really fun to watch. Things that come to mind are the gastly/princess festival episode, the polluted town grimer/magnemite episode, etc. Filler characters are acceptable as long as its not always someone in need of assistance.

    To you? No thanks. The series is flawed, but we're not the target audience. Suck it up and live with it.

    I won't live with it, I just won't watch it. It's just that I love pokemon and it's be nice to be able to watch the show withount wanting to claw my eyes out.
     
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  • Bloothump said:
    Ahh, the good old days.

    You should've been there.

    I understand that the younger audience may not find him as annoying as I do, but a little more character development is appreciated. Yes, even when you're seven. And it's not that you have to give him his own plot, I just dislike how he calls himself a breeder when he doesn't even breed pokemon. All he does is feed them.

    Being a Pokémon Breeder doesn't mean that you have to make Pokémon actually breed with each other. It generally means, in the animé, that you have to take care of them and make sure they're healthy.

    I'm not saying every character needs to have their own plot.And exactly, pokemon contests are aimed at girls. Why? Because most girls aren't strong enough to battle? I disagree. Pokemon contests should be aimed at anyone who prefers using pokemon to appeal as apposed to battling.

    No because boys aren't going to be generally interested in Pokémon getting dressed up and dancing around looking all pretty and ****. Of course there are going to be some boys that do like it and good for them if they do but Pokémon Contests are just there to draw in the female viewers.

    You're right, I forgot about Paul because he was so stereotypical, badly voice acted and forgettable. Oh well. Also, that battle was to boring for me to remember, I guess. And I do remember him losing to Roark now. But seriously, we saw 3 different battles with Roark. Over done? Yes. I get this idea because it happened with May too. Ash: Hello girl, you are hopeless, let me take you under my wing. Oh you suck, let's fix that, I can because I'm a boy. Girl: I think I'll just wear this pretty dress and join a contest instead. <3

    He is quite one dimensional. So just because it happened twice means it's bad? They were beginning trainers and Ash had expirience so he showed them the ropes. Really.

    This is the impression I get, if you don't see it, then that's you.

    I guess.

    I don't see why the budget is so much better, pokemon seems more popular in my opinion. And if any show can last for what is it now, 11 seasons, should have a pretty high animation budget. I'm not saying that pokemon get terribly hurt personally, just damage their surroundings. If the show is really targeted towards younger audiences, they'll just jump up and down and not question that.

    A show doesn't need a high animation budget to last eleven years. it just needs to be interesting to viewers and it seems that those viewers don't care that much for the animation.

    Anyway, I want to see better battles to but yeah.

    See, that's your opinion. And I respect it, and I'm glad you enjoy the series. I personally dislike the fillers of this generation, because it's always the same thing. And it seems to always take place in a forest....
    In the first season, i remember every filler was "on the road" to the next badge. The trio would often get lost, and most of the time the episode was centered around a wild pokemon, as opposed to trainer-in-assistance of the week.

    Okay.

    I agree, I found those episodes pretty watchable.

    Yup.

    He's at least eleven. In the pikachu-short before pokemon 2000, Ash tells pikachu that the current day is the one year anniversary of when they met. Considering that they met on his tenth birthday... yeah. Also, I think that the whole drop in voice is at least some indication that he's a older. Maybe not. Whatever.

    Nah, the from in his voice was just a voice actress shift.
     
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  • I like the voice actress thing effect, because it means it has the effect of him growing up :P


    I also want to see Max.

    And I'd like it if he starts again, but then keeps his pokemon through the second region/Gen VI.
    Like he did in Kanto/Johto. I reckon he should've done it with Hoenn/Sinnoh.

    After all, they seem to re-invent pokemon every two generations, don't they?
     
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    Wow I thought the new EP was this week. I was really looking forward to seeing this generation continue. :(
     
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    Force your opinion on people indeed

    Apparently (According to Bulbapedia) Ash's age has never once been mentioned since he left Pallet Town, even though it's absolutely ridiculous to assume he's still 10. I'm going to say he's no less than 14, even if they made him the most incredibly fast normal child to ever grace the face of the earth.

    Maybe if both the AG and DP official japanese websites never stated that Ash was the same age as May and Dawn, and thus 10 years old, we wouldn't HAVE to assume he's still 10.

    Being a Pokémon Breeder doesn't mean that you have to make Pokémon actually breed with each other. It generally means, in the animé, that you have to take care of them and make sure they're healthy.

    And maybe if the games actually TRANSLATED the whole issue properly rather than calling them "breeders" we wouldn't HAVE to assume they mean the literal breeding of Pokemon.

    No because boys aren't going to be generally interested in Pokémon getting dressed up and dancing around looking all pretty and ****. Of course there are going to be some boys that do like it and good for them if they do but Pokémon Contests are just there to draw in the female viewers.

    Yeah, and at the same time, looking all pretty and all that is having a disasterously negative impact on the female audience, as can be evidenced with that outbreak of the whole "Anorexia/Bulemia" problem as well as how some girls actually develop a dangerous ego about perfect beauty. In order to save the future, and ensure girls never suffer from this ever again, I will ensure that these things, and anything that ties to it, is annihilated. Not only that, but I'll also even annihilate the Porn industry. Besides, several of my female friends don't even CARE about the beauty stuff, especially not during their 10 years of age.
     

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    Honestly I like the anime for what it is now for trying to spice up the same formula its had for the past series. A slightly more "upgraded" version of this in 5th gen would be good. Okay, necessary.
     

    pkmn.master

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  • I agree with everything except # 5 and 3.

    #5
    Let's get rid of Brock. His character is not very funny. Maybe if he could be a bit more perverted, the character would work, but because it's more of a kid's show, that can't happen. In my eyes, brock was supposed to be the cliche "pervert" character, but they then decided to aim the anime towards a younger audience, and brock became more of a hopeless romantic. Also, breeder isn't a significant enough class to be a full blown character.

    I think the show would be completely ruined if Brock is removed. He has been with us in every season except one. It would be nice if they made Brock act like he did in the early seasons. He was even good in Gen. 3, but all of a sudden, he acts like a kid-cartoon character, not an anime character. The whole show has turned cartoonish ever since Gen. 4 it's ridiculous. Just about every episode, they help some random trainer get his/her Dusk Stone from Team Rocket, or help someone train-the whole episode!!! They even have cheesy kiddish dialog now. I don't like Dawn. It went from female characters having huge breasts, to kid-like ones like Dawn. Are they afraid to show us what we want? Was there a lawsuit? You don't see other Anime shows getting sued and being replaced with crap.

    #3
    Ash can't be as cool as he has been in the past. It seems like the past couple gens Ash steps into the new region and automatically is better than those around him. It's really annoying, especially when it comes to the female character. Female character fails at life, Ash helps, she gets better. I understand Ash has experience, and the female character is usually a new trainer, but the message "A woman is nothing without man" is still conveyed, or at least to me it is. When Ash arrives on the scene, let the female character already have her poke, and let her battle with Ash and beat him. It'd be nice if he could be shown some humility for once.

    In this whole generation, Ash has actually sucked!!! I understand losing a few times, but being beaten by Paul every time?! I recently saw an episode where he loses to Barry with his Gible. He hasn't won a League yet either!
    Now, what do you think the anime should do to become entertaining again?

    Here's what I think: the director of the show died in a car crash and they replaced him with someone that works with Disney... I have a feeling that one day, one season, they could get someone that actually knows how to write the scripts like they used to. Let's cross our fingers and hope.
     

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  • Um, just ignore me if you want -- I suck at debates, so I'll stay out of that.

    All I'm going to say is for one thing you wanted -- the female companion to stop being so damn female -- I must admit I miss the days of Misty. And if we have the female player character as his companion in GenV, she looks about 16, so she'll probably actually be a TRAINER. Yay.

    And since Brock's been in it in all seasons but Orange Islands, I don't see him going anytime soon.

    Ah, dammit. I just debated, didn't I? Well, not really. Anyway, yeah. There's my small, insignificant opinion.
     
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    If Misty comes back, most definitely. But overall, I like even the newer episodes fairly well. The only thing to improve for me would be going back to having the Ash-Misty-Brock combo. You can put in other characters to travel with them if you'd like.
     

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  • I do want to see this in 5th gen anime:

    -More evolutions of the characters pokemon, instead of "the B button treatment" to all but certain ones (e.g. Cyndaquil, Buizel)

    -less neglect to all of Ash's pokemon but Pikachu (seriously, he said he would come back for Primape/Pigeot/Gliscor, but never did, what a terrible trainer, only caring for one Pokemon and not the oth- oh wait, Charizard, never mind)

    -Bring Misty back and not give us another May clone like Dawn was..... actually, I hope B/W does not have contests and has Pokethlon or something else replace it, but knowing the anime writers and the game programmers, we will get contests no doubt.....

    -Let Brock actualy ACT like a breeder instead of having him say he will be one, but never actually does it (this is another thing 4Kids has created)

    -Bring Jigglypuff back, we he have not seen her since a sole episode in Hoenn

    -Less filler and more plot (definetly), rather make it more like the game instead of straying afar like it did starting after the Indigo League

    .........and MOST IMPORTANTLY:

    -MAKE ASH GROW A FREAKING INCH OR TWO DAMNIT, he's been the same age and size since episode one!!!

    Personally, I say yes. But a few things have to happen first. While it'd be ideal if they got rid of Ash all together, it's obvious that won't happen, so here's a list of the five things, imo, that the anime should do to become watchable once again.

    #5
    Let's get rid of Brock. His character is not very funny. Maybe if he could be a bit more perverted, the character would work, but because it's more of a kid's show, that can't happen. In my eyes, brock was supposed to be the cliche "pervert" character, but they then decided to aim the anime towards a younger audience, and brock became more of a hopeless romantic. Also, breeder isn't a significant enough class to be a full blown character.

    He keeps saying that he will be a breeder, but he NEVER DOES IT

    #4
    The new character classes should be contest star, and either two trainers or a trainer (Ash) and a pokeathlete. And the girl character should not be the contest star. In DP, Dawn pretty much sucks at battling and does well at contest. It's almost as if they're conveying the message that girls can't be strong or tough, but it's fine if they get all dressed up and put on a show. The males who do contests are often effeminate as well.

    Isn't that prejudice against women, oh wait, they aren't women yet, so it's plausible, right? RIGHT?

    #3
    Ash can't be as cool as he has been in the past. It seems like the past couple gens Ash steps into the new region and automatically is better than those around him. It's really annoying, especially when it comes to the female character. Female character fails at life, Ash helps, she gets better. I understand Ash has experience, and the female character is usually a new trainer, but the message "A woman is nothing without man" is still conveyed, or at least to me it is. When Ash arrives on the scene, let the female character already have her poke, and let her battle with Ash and beat him. It'd be nice if he could be shown some humility for once.

    Big Damn Heroes to the rescue!

    #2
    More spectacle! The battles have gotten sooooooo boring. It's command, attack, command, attack, etc. etc. over. I understand that's how the game works, but it doesn't captivate your attention in a show. It's okay to have commands, but let the pokes move freely a bit! Also, the battles need to be bigger! And I don't mean explosions, there's too many of those. I mean, let the pokes jump high, hit eachother into the ground, and create a crater from the impact! Make them seem at least dangerous. Because right now, the characters say wild pokemon are dengerous, when really, all it'll do is bite you or peck at your head. That's what normal animals do. If you've seen Soul Eater, that's kind of what I'm talking about, Not the blood, just the awesome acrobatic style of fighting.

    on the "let the pokes jump high, hit eachother into the ground, and create a crater from the impact!" part, I can only say THAT THIS IS NOT DRAGONBALL Z!!!!

    Anyway, the battles do need to be more serious, like make them have body parts break, or bleed, make it more REALISTIC, but then again, it was actually 4Kids who made it that way, just like everything else in the Pokemon anime was caused by 4Kids

    #1!
    Make it more story driven! Right now, every episode is just Ash and co. helping some random stranger out. Focus more on action and less on doing good deeds for people you don't even know. And frankly, it's quite annoying having to meet two new characters every. single. episode. This means less team rocket too, they're entertaining on occasion. But now, every plan of theirs is the same, and they appear every episode. More tense, climactic, story driven episodes will help this show a lot. Multi episode quests, you know what I mean.

    This is the biggest problem in the anime currently, but look at Naruto's fillers, they tend to be multi episode quests, and are more tense, climatic, and story driven (well.... almost.....). The biggest part of this problem is that they are all actually the same episode, just in a diffrent part of the region between two certain towns, with diffrent characters of the day, and a diffrent Pokemon, and a few minor edits here and there, but once in a while, they actually have a decent episode that goes pretty fine until Ash/Team Rocket does something to screw it over (eg. "Pikachu, use Thunderbolt..... ON YOURSELF!")

    MORE MATURE, Im tired of this constant appeal 2 the new yunger generation UGH, we need blood, cussin, skin, darker bad ass characters, etc

    This is Pokemon, it's for kids, this is not Naruto Shippuden, or Bleach, or Death Note, or one of those Hentai animes, but I do agree with the blood and badass characters, we need SOMETHING serious, a few serious scenes, maybe even having a Pokemon killed off, AND I KNOW JUST WHICH ONE *looks at Pikachu and smirks evilly*

    Speaking of 4Kids, it was actually them who manipulated the Japanese to do this to the Pokemon anime back in Gen 1, right after Butterfree as a matter of fact......

    I doubt that it would. If they didn't redeemed themselves on the 4th gen, it won't happen in the 5th. But, hey. Maybe the Female Protagonist will be a hot-head and be the opposite of Ash's female companion so far and actually be a competition, a threat and also a main character. There's one thing I'd want them to improve. Don't re-use the storyline! What happened in the first season, can't be the storyline for the 4th!

    Or how about White being a recuring Rival Character with Misty or May traveling with Ash (not Dawn, I hope they dump her)

    Actually, I agree AND disagree.

    1.) Yes, but they already screwed Gary up. So I think they should bring in Silver for a change. He should have had his debut LONG ago but for some reason they did Johto weird and he never appeared. Or maybe even Masky!

    Yeah, they royally screwed Johto up, actually that was when the anime started to turn into the monstrocity we know today, the start of Hoenn being the complete transformation into what is now the Pokemon anime, what we would call a "seasonal decay", the biggest one in anime history to be exact

    Of course they could have wrote Ash off and had Gold as the main character, a fresh start, but no, they had to make Ash lose the Indigo League, and then screwed it over with Orange Islands

    2.) Pikachu doesn't need to evolve. He needs to DIE.

    LOL true in the purest of sense.......

    3.) I don't believe it has to be THAT wild. Now it would be awesome if it was, I'll say that, but I want it to be more like... Well, the manga portrays it. And now, I'm not a huge fan of the manga, I hate what they did to Silver, but I love it for it's violence and threats and stuff. I want to see Arbok get slashed in half, Pokemon bodies rot away, I even liked how the Masked Man actually threatened to end the lives of two children. THAT is what I want to see in Pokemon. More seriousness. Definitely darker. More evil.

    LOL, the anime SHOULD be more like the Pokemon Special Manga, no wait, Pokemon Special SHOULD have been the anime, even Tajiri himself comments: "This is the world I was trying to convey", but then 4Kids would have screwed it over, and manipulated Japan for it to be that way there too........

    ya now i kinda liked the Sinnoh episodes, because they were more funnier. but you can't beat the first season in humour.

    Actually, you can't beat the first season in anything, especially when it was darker and serious in the very first episodes, well, until Butterfree, or at least the Indigo League, that's when the biggest filler arc in Anime history, well, second to Naruto, came into being
     

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    LOL, the anime SHOULD be more like the Pokemon Special Manga, no wait, Pokemon Special SHOULD have been the anime, even Tajiri himself comments: "This is the world I was trying to convey", but then 4Kids would have screwed it over, and manipulated Japan for it to be that way there too........

    Pokémon animé came before Pokémon Special.

    Not going to argue the rest of that tl;dr post though.
     
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