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CONGRATS! US HEALTHCARE REFORM PASSES!

Is the individual mandate fair? (Please state your reasoning in the thread)

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 48.1%
  • No

    Votes: 14 51.9%

  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .
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    Yay <3

    This wasn't about Democrat vs Republican, this was about the health of American citizens. Anyone else ecstatic?
     

    Luck

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    Clearly America will be a socialist, fascist, and communist nation under ObamaCare.

    In case you can't tell, sarcasm is being used :/
     

    IceSage

    Sage of Ice
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    Canadian here; what exactly do Americans "get" now?

    Certainly not what your country provides. -_-

    I'm not understanding how America can be such a great nation, yet we can't just do what other countries are doing... Or in fact, go to even better solutions. However, all the old farts waving their US flags around and praising such geniuses like Sarah Palin think things shouldn't change and that our obviously flawed healthcare plans are A-Okay.
     

    Aureol

    Kanto/Electric-Type Enthusiast
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    Eh, 55% of America was opposed to it, myself included. It won't matter to me much though: I already planned on being poor when I'm older.

    I'm not gonna rant here though. That's what facebook is for. ;) Besides, I don't want to involve myself in a place where healthcare is thought to only hurt the wealthy.

    We needed change, no denying that. Too many people dying, poor economy, etc. This is definitely NOT what I had in mind though.

    EDIT: I guess I am glad that taxes won't go to convenient abortions, though. That's one plus.
     
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    At least in 2014, I won't be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. :/

    And this monstrosity was just the perfect way to go about reform, wasn't it? Please.

    AND DON'T YOU DARE TRY TO SAY REPUBLICANS ARE OPPOSED TO REFORM.

    IT'S JUST THIS PIECE OF CRAP BILL WE'RE OPPOSED TO.
     
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    I'm stunned. I didn't think it would actually pass.

    Health Care Reform Bill Summary said:
    Insurance Reforms:

    • Six months after enactment, insurance companies could no longer denying children coverage based on a preexisting condition.
    • Starting in 2014, insurance companies cannot deny coverage to anyone with preexisting conditions.
    • Insurance companies must allow children to stay on their parent's insurance plans through age 26.
    ^ Most important part of the bill if you ask me.
     

    Luck

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    And this monstrosity was just the perfect way to go about reform, wasn't it? Please.

    AND DON'T YOU DARE TRY TO SAY REPUBLICANS ARE OPPOSED TO REFORM.

    IT'S JUST THIS PIECE OF CRAP BILL WE'RE OPPOSED TO.

    Republicans are opposed to reform.
    Oh darn, I just had to say it :[
     

    icomeanon6

    It's "I Come Anon"
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    Speaking as a generally conservative-leaning American, I'm highly suspicious of the long term benefits this bill will supposedly have for average Americans. This bill mainly goes after insurance companies, and in doing so avoids the problem of why health costs are so high.

    As for you Canadians and such out there, you may want to consider that America's population is roughly 10 times the size of Canada's. It's much more complicated than it sounds to try and fit America into the same mold as Canada and Europe. Attempting to sustain a universal health care system in the United States could prove economically ruinous (which hurts the poor and working class citizens more than it does the rich) if the underlying problems of the costs of health care aren't addressed. I believe these costs can be fixed by de-obfuscating the way patients pay for their medical services, thus encouraging competition and market principles. Government intervention in the economy isn't necessarily good or bad. What matters is whether the government's actions encourage competition and other healthy economic practices. I pray I'm wrong, though, as this clearly isn't the direction in which we are moving.

    I hope the Democrats are right about this one, because if they're not, then things are going to get really lousy for the poor/middle class Americans in a decade or two, possibly much worse than they are now. I don't care about the Republican party, they can go off and dissolve for all I care. What matters to me is the American people, and I sincerely do not think that this bill will be good for them in the long run. The rich will be fine whatever happens, they've got money and assets to cushion themselves. It's the rest of us that I'm concerned about.

    Nice that you're all so happy. Hope it lasts.
     

    Zet

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    And this monstrosity was just the perfect way to go about reform, wasn't it? Please.

    AND DON'T YOU DARE TRY TO SAY REPUBLICANS ARE OPPOSED TO REFORM.

    IT'S JUST THIS PIECE OF CRAP BILL WE'RE OPPOSED TO.

    Aren't you more opposed to gay marriage, stem cells, abortions and crap?

    It's also great to see America starting to become a better country.
     

    BHwolfgang

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    To be honest, I didn't expect this to be passed at all. With so much opposition coming from the Republicans, the chances were very slim. I'm just as surprised as many are.
     
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    Republicans are opposed to reform.
    Oh darn, I just had to say it :[

    pretty true, seeing as this is the second bill ive seen passed since obama took office without a single republican vote. now if it were a republican-backed "reform" (using that word lightly here) bill, there would be "yeas" across the board from them.
     

    Klippy

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    My uncle was just in the hospital and he was denied coverage by three insurance companies because he is unhealthy and had a preexisting condition and the companies would have had to pay for his bills, which were costly. So now he has to teach himself to walk again, since insurance wouldn't pay for his physical therapy for six weeks. If "ObamaCare" (The American taxpayers) wants to pay for his bills, then thanks. Appreciate it. I'm sure he does too, since it'll help him walk again, but he's certainly not complaining and he's doing well on his own. I know I'd love to help him, but my family can barely afford our own bills as it is, since we aren't rich like those evil Republicans!

    My favorite part of the bill: "Tanning Tax -- 10 percent excise tax on indoor tanning services"

    And I'll say one thing to the people claiming how Republicans are evil and hate the poor. Some of your own, fellow Democrats voted no for the bill, so...why aren't you calling them evil and poor haters? I just find it funny that it's only the Republicans that are evil and not these Democrats, along with the other 55% of America that opposed the bill. But whatever. Ignore the facts that more than just Republicans opposed the bill and continue to say only they are evil. That's easier than accepting that 55% of people just didn't like it. :)
     

    FreakyLocz14

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    This bill is a shame but thankfully it is nothing like the Canadian system.

    The bigegst difference is there still is not socialiazed health plan, thank God.
    The good: Bans insurers from denying people for pre-existing conditons or dropping people at will
    The bad: Forces Americans who do not want or cannot afford private insurance to purchase it (need to be reviewed by US Supreme Court imo), might cover elective abortions
     
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    Something had to be done, but I frankly think it wasn't enough change. For the insurers, they should have been broken up in a way that was similar to the breakup of Bell Telephone in the 1980s, except it would be more focused on keeping one company from insuring more than 49% of any given state instead of having regional subdivisions of a company. That's the big thing I had issues with, considering how much the insurers spent per Congressman lobbying against this bill.
     
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