Countering the Common Techniques

[Lord Jaws]

Any non legend counters? How about Jolteon?

 

[husk1442]

if it gets a DD Jolt is done

Electrode and Gengar are better counters
as electrode outspeeds it even after a Dance
and Gengar is immune to EQ and can take a Danced HP Fly (from a Jolly Gyrados)

 

[Lion Heart]

That's right.

I figure we have Boahtar covered, and Curselax isn't really that much of a threat - Roar him or Haze him.

So no need to really cover them anymore.

Next ones are the Calm Mind Dogs, which I'll do when I get home.

Gotta actually think of a way to nullify Raikou first.

 

[G-Klav]

That's right.

I figure we have Boahtar covered, and Curselax isn't really that much of a threat - Roar him or Haze him.

So no need to really cover them anymore.

Next ones are the Calm Mind Dogs, which I'll do when I get home.

Gotta actually think of a way to nullify Raikou first.

Wouldn't Flygon do well against Raikou?
I'm not sure about Flygon's stats, but let's say Raikou is faster than him (which I believe).
Raikou's best bet is HP Ice, but would that really KO Flygon?

The next question I'm not sure about is whether or not Flygon could KO Raikou with his EQ...

What do you guys think?

 

[husk1442]

HP: Ice is almost a definate K.O. to Flygon

Anything with a SpAtk of 290 (un STABbed) or greater will Ohko Flygon (at minimum damage) given Flygon has 6 Evs in HP and none in SpDef (which is standard for most flygon sets).


Eq from a Jolly Flygon would K.O. a Raikou


Edit: Yay 200 posts :D

 

[Lion Heart]

Running Flygon as a counter is risky, as you don't know which HP Raikou has packed away, it could be Grass or Ice, if it's Grass, then Flygon could work, if it's Ice, then no.

Marowak may be able to take a hit, and Bonemerang Raikou's Sub, it'd deal quite a bit of damage, but then again, Raikou packs a huge punch after a Calm Mind.

 

[DragonKing]

Boahtar

Standard set is:

Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 1 Def / 48 Spd / 208 SAtk
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Thunderbolt
- Crunch

Chaos says on Smogon that his EVs and Nature are as follows:

Tyranitar@Leftovers
Trait: Sandstream
EVs: 252 HP / 190 S Atk / 68 Spd
Quiet Nature (+S Atk, -Spd)
-Substitute
-Focus Punch
-Thunderbolt
-Crunch

What is the point of 1 Def EV and what do you outspeed with 48 Spd EVs?

 

[husk1442]

1 Def Ev doesn't really matter it just looks cool

what are you out speeding with 68 Spd Evs?


Personally I use

252 Hp/ 24 Atk/ 46 Def/ 188 SpAtk
Quite nature(+SpAtk,-Spd)


I also use thunder over t-bolt but, meh

 

[DragonKing]

You outspeed Weezing which is extremely important because Weezing can't break your sub in one hit with 404 HP (101 subs). You don't need EVs in attack when you are only going to use focus punch. I prefer outspeeding Weezing.

 

[husk1442]

meh maybe

I prefer sending it out against something that can't do anything to me (alakazam and friends) and then subbing on the switch

 

[Lion Heart]

I got those EV's straight from the fellas at Smogon, so yeah.

The 1 point does nothing.

That one even has a different nature, so I have no idea what they are doing ^_^

 

[DragonKing]

I got those EV's straight from the fellas at Smogon, so yeah.

The 1 point does nothing.

That one even has a different nature, so I have no idea what they are doing ^_^

I just copied it right of the site, lol.

Tyraniboah should be Quiet, with EVs as such: 252 HP, 68 Spd, 190 SpA. This is what I use, giving it just enough speed to outpace Weezing, which is extremely important to do, unlike Claydol, who is going to break your sub anyway since you can't OHKO it with Crunch even if you are faster with Rash. In my opinion, Boah should be be neither Mild nor Rash. You want it to be somewhat able to take a Surf from like a Suicune that's at 44% or lower, cause if it decides to stay in and Surf you, you will have killed it with the help of sandstorm. From a 300 SpA Tyraniboah, T-bolt does a minimum of 38% damage to a 266 SpD Suicune ? hardly anyone gives Suicune initial special defense so it's going to die to T-bolt...unless you're Rash, in which case, after your sub is broken, you stand a good chance of getting OHKOed by Surf depending on how much SpA Suicune has, since you're not at full HP after the sub.

Further, if you're Mild, then crap like Aero's DE can break you sub if it does max damage, and a 300 attack Snorlax will break your sub every single time with return/frustration. Not to mention Metagross has a great chance to OHKO, whereas with Quiet he needs absolute maximum damage.