Debate Forum

[Percy Thrillington]

Actually I would. I know how to be patient. Think about it this way; theatres won't sell R rated tickets to minors because they are classified as "not mature enough". While there are some minors who ARE mature enough to handle an R rated movie; they just have to wait.

But I do see how an age limit would create drama. But I still stick with my infraction limit idea.

Doubting your word. Patience is not the answer to a travesty of justice. You don't have a choice when it comes to the cinema but we have a choice now. In fact, we have the choose to choose what we way we want people to be restricted. If an age restriction came into play, there'd be a lot of arguments. A lot. I don't know about you, but most people aren't going to want to stand by and not be allowed to debate because of a rule that didn't make sense in the first place.

And I don't like the infraction idea either. Someone may have an infraction or two, yes. That doesn't mean he/she isn't able to debate.

And Angela, what are you talking about? The past four pages have showed that the board will probably never see the light of day. Moderators for it is the least concern as of now. And it's the staff's decision as to who gets to moderate it if it comes. I don't know what made you think you have qualities or entitlement to decide who gets to mod what.

 

[Angela]

About that idea, I like it but,

How about if people have infraction points then they can't post, but like two months after they expire they could post again??

Because I don't think it's fair for the members that have received infractions in the PAST, and have 0 infraction points today, that they can't post,, "And yes 1 weekend on pc I got some infraction's, it was a long time ago;, and I did not know the rules of PC that well, but I know them now, + the points expired in July or some)",,


So no one agrees with me that Chibi-Chan and Amachi should be suggested as the moderators of the debate section*If it get's made*?

Doubting your word. Patience is not the answer to a travesty of justice. You don't have a choice when it comes to the cinema but we have a choice now. In fact, we have the choose to choose what we way we want people to be restricted. If an age restriction came into play, there'd be a lot of arguments. A lot. I don't know about you, but most people aren't going to want to stand by and not be allowed to debate because of a rule that didn't make sense in the first place.

And I don't like the infraction idea either. Someone may have an infraction or two, yes. That doesn't mean he/she isn't able to debate.

And Angela, what are you talking about? The past four pages have showed that the board will probably never see the light of day. Moderators for it is the least concern as of now. And it's the staff's decision as to who gets to moderate it if it comes. I don't know what made you think you have qualities or entitlement to decide who gets to mod what.

Again Oni you fail to read every word of my post and jump at me like I'm some idiot, Chibi and Amachi actually have the qualities it takes to moderate the board being suggested, if they had not the staff would never have hired them, I was not picking I was suggesting, since this debate section is weary similar to the other chat why not add it as a sub forum in the other chat were Chibi and Amachi can mod it,
I don't see how you manage to take everyone's words and put them out of context.

Oni I think you have stated your opinion that you really don't care about this section, then why are you still here, I mean your not posting against it nor are you posting with it?

Your mainly here to argue with the members that are suggesting, I think a debate section would suit you just right, you would probably be the most activest member in that section.

 

[Percy Thrillington]

Again Oni you fail to read every word of my post and jump at me like I'm some idiot, Chibi and Amachi actually have the qualities it takes to moderate the board being suggested, if they had not the staff would never have hired them, I was not picking I was suggesting, since this debate section is weary similar to the other chat why not add it as a sub forum in the other chat were Chibi and Amachi can mod it,
I don't see how you manage to take everyone's words and put them out of context.

Oni I think you have stated your opinion that you really don't care about this section, then why are you still here, I mean your not posting against it nor are you posting with it?

Your mainly here to argue with the members that are suggesting, I think a debate section would suit you just right, you would probably be the most activest member in that section.

Have I ever said Chibi and Amachi were unfit to moderate the board being suggested? No, I have not. Don't put words in my mouth, please. The simple truth is that you don't have the power to suggest who gets moderated there. The staff decide on who gets picked. That's all there is to it. I'm not attacking you.

I haven't said that I didn't care about the board, I said I was indifferent about it. If I didn't care about the board, I wouldn't have bothered replying to the posts here. If it gets created, that's great. If not, I don't care.

No, I'm not mainly here to argue with the members that are suggesting, I'm here to state my opinions. This isn't a perfect world. No one is going to always agree with anyone. I don't like the idea of an age restriction or an infraction restriction. That's it. I'm not replying for the sake of irritating people. Can you please stop making such accusations?

And thank you. I'll take your last sentence as a compliment.

Moving on, I think that people should be restricted from the board as time goes on. Restricting them before it opens doesn't give them a chance to prove whether or not they can debate and discuss things in a mature manner.

 

[Angela]

Moving on, I think that people should be restricted from the board as time goes on. Restricting them before it opens doesn't give them a chance to prove whether or not they can debate and discuss things in a mature manner.

I agree, I think we should just see who proves them self to be unfit to post in there individually as time goes by, I say everybody can post until they prove that they are not fit to post.

 

[Azonic]

Well, when dealing with a forum that can lead to some flaming; I think an age limit would be needed. As long as it's couple with another form of restriction.

As for the older members that are immature though, I think a good list of restrictions would weed most of them out. The rest would have to be taken out when the problem arises.

But as for the younger members that can act like respectible members of this forum, then it would be to bad for them. Not to sound harsh or anything; but life isn't fair when it comes to things like that. They would just have to wait their turn

Age limit...?

The age limit is stupid. You're basically pruning out some of the best debaters on this forum and preventing them from going to that forum. You are simply judging people by who they aren't. It's like saying Person A shouldn't have the right to debate because they're from a certain race, or Person B shouldn't have the right to debate because they believe in a certain religion. There are plenty of members who are way under the age of 16 and can handle a debate better than most people do. In fact, I have been acquainted with a 10 year old who is able to debate in a more mature manner than you can. It's pretty much stupid to judge someone upon a factor that they have no control over. As far as I know, age does not directly affect someone's intelligence.

Life isn't fair? Life can NEVER be 100% what someone wants it to, which is exactly what you're trying to do with the new forum. And in case you haven't noticed, people can alter their age over the internet to their liking. Do you think I'm really 1 year old? Shows how much you know.

This is basically restricting ArmyGuy from Pokemon General because the topics over there aren't mature enough for the older group.

Actually I would. I know how to be patient. Think about it this way; theatres won't sell R rated tickets to minors because they are classified as "not mature enough". While there are some minors who ARE mature enough to handle an R rated movie; they just have to wait.

But I do see how an age limit would create drama. But I still stick with my infraction limit idea.

That's because they simply do not want the young ones to be steered the wrong way at such an early age. Really, if you had a five-year-old child, would you want them to go in and see Rated R pornographic movies and grow up to be a slut? That has a bad influence on them. Intellectual debating will only have a positive effect on them and see / handle more mature topics and view the world in a more intelligent way.

Well, I guess expired infractions shouldn't count. Unless it is like, 5 expired SPAM infractions.

I don't know about the moderators; since it is their choice, right? But we would need somebody who could keep an eye on the place frequently.

Your infraction limit is stupid, too. Do you even know why infractions expire? That's because people change. I'll be honest with you; I have had 3 warnings from the old system and 4 warnings / infractions from the new system. So does that mean I shouldn't be able to access there?

People CHANGE. That's the whole reason why infractions expire. I got my last infraction on February 10th, that's a long time in between. Why? This ties into my point; PEOPLE CHANGE. I literally sucked as a member back then, okay?

About that idea, I like it but,

How about if people have infraction points then they can't post, but like two months after they expire they could post again??

Because I don't think it's fair for the members that have received infractions in the PAST, and have 0 infraction points today, that they can't post,, "And yes 1 weekend on pc I got some infraction's, it was a long time ago;, and I did not know the rules of PC that well, but I know them now, + the points expired in July or some)",,


So no one agrees with me that Chibi-Chan and Amachi should be suggested as the moderators of the debate section*If it get's made*?

Why should you get to decide who gets to moderate this section? This isn't your concern. The staff will decide, so lets just drop that subject.

I like the idea of the board restrictions; it at least gives members a chance. Board restrictions should be lifted by a certain number of time however, because as I said before, people change.

My opinion? I'm pretty neutral to this idea.

 

[luke]

I find this whole topic laughable as some of you seem to be trying to convince us that there are mature enough members to have a debate forum while calling each other's ideas stupid, using words like slut, and overall just building up to an argument. This thread alone is reason enough to say this forum is never happening.

 

[Cherrim]

I will admit I haven't read the whole of this thread (or anything past the first page) but um... I really don't think we're going to be getting a debate forum.

Go create some debates in Other Chat FIRST and see how they go. We're talking about heavy things like new forums, restrictions, etc. when we don't even know if it's needed. Maybe a debate will be sensible enough in Other Chat as is--considering there are RARELY serious debates in there anyway, I see no reason to add a forum for them at all. When we add forums based on the assumption that they will be needed down the line and people will post in them, they end in disaster. T-Dome case in point. (And that forum was a debate/mature forum--so it had even more potential in the sense that, you know, there was even more that could go in there instead of debates.)

Instead of arguing how this hypothetical forum will work for pages and pages, why don't you guys go out and prove that we actually need one?

 

[Legobricks]

Instead of arguing how this hypothetical forum will work for pages and pages, why don't you guys go out and prove that we actually need one?

Only, that's already been done? This thread has become a debate in itself and so should prove to some extent at least that there are members that want to voice their opinions about things in a non-aggressive way.


This thread is longer than it needs to be though; seriously guys, you're saying the same things over and over.

 

[Cherrim]

Only, that's already been done? This thread has become a debate in itself and so should prove to some extent at least that there are members that want to voice their opinions about things in a non-aggressive way.


This thread is longer than it needs to be though; seriously guys, you're saying the same things over and over.

Well, I share Britney Spears' opinion on this thread in general (god it feels weird typing that), so I'm not quite sold. Regardless, ONE thread really doesn't mean much to me.

For example, we added the Celebrations forum when we noticed that Other Chat got really cluttered with birthday threads, etc. We added the technology forum when we saw that the surge of tech-related threads merited their own sub. But debates? We don't see very many. If that were to change, yeah, I could see looking into one but right now there's no reaon to have one.

 

[Sublime]

Age limit...?

The age limit is stupid. You're basically pruning out some of the best debaters on this forum and preventing them from going to that forum. You are simply judging people by who they aren't. It's like saying Person A shouldn't have the right to debate because they're from a certain race, or Person B shouldn't have the right to debate because they believe in a certain religion. There are plenty of members who are way under the age of 16 and can handle a debate better than most people do. In fact, I have been acquainted with a 10 year old who is able to debate in a more mature manner than you can. It's pretty much stupid to judge someone upon a factor that they have no control over. As far as I know, age does not directly affect someone's intelligence.

Life isn't fair? Life can NEVER be 100% what someone wants it to, which is exactly what you're trying to do with the new forum. And in case you haven't noticed, people can alter their age over the internet to their liking. Do you think I'm really 1 year old? Shows how much you know.

This is basically restricting ArmyGuy from Pokemon General because the topics over there aren't mature enough for the older group.

That's because they simply do not want the young ones to be steered the wrong way at such an early age. Really, if you had a five-year-old child, would you want them to go in and see Rated R pornographic movies and grow up to be a slut? That has a bad influence on them. Intellectual debating will only have a positive effect on them and see / handle more mature topics and view the world in a more intelligent way.

Your infraction limit is stupid, too. Do you even know why infractions expire? That's because people change. I'll be honest with you; I have had 3 warnings from the old system and 4 warnings / infractions from the new system. So does that mean I shouldn't be able to access there?

People CHANGE. That's the whole reason why infractions expire. I got my last infraction on February 10th, that's a long time in between. Why? This ties into my point; PEOPLE CHANGE. I literally sucked as a member back then, okay?
Why should you get to decide who gets to moderate this section? This isn't your concern. The staff will decide, so lets just drop that subject.

I like the idea of the board restrictions; it at least gives members a chance. Board restrictions should be lifted by a certain number of time however, because as I said before, people change.

My opinion? I'm pretty neutral to this idea.

*facepalm*
So much flaming. It's people like you who don't choose their words carefully that lead to flame wars. You lucky I'm one of the people that take it in stride. And by the way, I have never debated on Pokecommunity before; so you can't possibly know how I debate.

And as I stated; I now know the age limit idea is flawed and won't work at all. But thank you for the criticism on my infraction idea; I still stick with it though.

But enough of that. I agree with Lightning. Let's start some debates in Other Chat and see how it goes. In fact; I'll do that right now.

 

[Azonic]

I explained every word of it; why they're stupid. And one or two people creating debate threads alone won't help much.

Instead of arguing how this hypothetical forum will work for pages and pages, why don't you guys go out and prove that we actually need one?

We don't. There's not a good quantity of mature debates in OC anyways. Most of them are just casual threads.

 

[Cherrim]

I explained every word of it. And one or two people creating debate threads alone won't help much.

We don't. There's not a good quantity of mature debates in OC anyways. Most of them are just casual threads.

:] You'd be surprised. Make a few debates, get people into it. The more people who post in them, the more popular debates in general will become, the more potential need there would be for a debate forum.

Not a good quantity of mature debates? Make some yourself. Look at it this way: if you guys aren't even debating to begin with, what reason do we have to make a new forum for you guys to debate in. Chances are it'd get a handful of staple debates and quickly die because the interest wasn't there in the first place. So work to make interest and THEN bring this up again.

 

[Chibi-chan]

Other Chat is a place for discussions. In these discussions, debates are included. The only things that are limited are the truly "Not for a Pokemon Forum" discussions such as homosexuality, racism, religion, or any kind of outright slander. You can have your Iraq War topic! It doesn't need to be in a certain debate area! Feel free to talk about it in OC! The only reason it would get locked is if multiple bouts of flaming occurs or the topic goes dreadfully off-topic. It's not me who caused the topic to be closed, it's you who instigated the situation. Now if you honestly think you've got something to debate about, go ahead and post it in the OC if it's appropriate. I can't say that enough. Remember where you are. Pokecommunity is a POKEMON site. The other non-Pokemon boards are for casual discussion and debates. Remember that.

 

[Legobricks]

For example, we added the Celebrations forum when we noticed that Other Chat got really cluttered with birthday threads, etc. We added the technology forum when we saw that the surge of tech-related threads merited their own sub. But debates? We don't see very many. If that were to change, yeah, I could see looking into one but right now there's no reaon to have one.

Ah, now those are exactly the words that needed to be said here. I see what you mean by sections being added through necessity, now.

Still, I'm actually not taking any side in this debate — just so people know.

 

[Angela]

Go create some debates in Other Chat FIRST and see how they go. We're talking about heavy things like new forums, restrictions, etc. when we don't even know if it's needed. Maybe a debate will be sensible enough in Other Chat as is--considering there are RARELY serious debates in there anyway, I see no reason to add a forum for them at all. When we add forums based on the assumption that they will be needed down the line and people will post in them, they end in disaster. T-Dome case in point. (And that forum was a debate/mature forum--so it had even more potential in the sense that, you know, there was even more that could go in there instead of debates.)

Instead of arguing how this hypothetical forum will work for pages and pages, why don't you guys go out and prove that we actually need one?

Actually I tried making one the other day, it got closed.

But okay since you insist, I guess I can try to go and prove you wrong

]Other Chat is a place for discussions. In these discussions, debates are included. The only things that are limited are the truly "Not for a Pokemon Forum" discussions such as homosexuality, racism, religion, or any kind of outright slander[/b]. You can have your Iraq War topic! It doesn't need to be in a certain debate area! Feel free to talk about it in OC! The only reason it would get locked is if multiple bouts of flaming occurs or the topic goes dreadfully off-topic. It's not me who caused the topic to be closed, it's you who instigated the situation. Now if you honestly think you've got something to debate about, go ahead and post it in the OC if it's appropriate. I can't say that enough. Remember where you are. Pokecommunity is a POKEMON site. The other non-Pokemon boards are for casual discussion and debates. Remember that.

Chibi for the first time *I hope I never have to say this to you again* I disagree with you,

All those topics you just counted up are Debatable topics, is there any chance that someone could create a thread about religion in the future? "I know I can't now because I already tried that"

I understand that those topics are maybe to much for the younger members, but we could just ad "PG", and "Not for the sensitives" in the title of the threads.
And suggesting this I am not trying to break your rules, and if we get to make the threads I can assure you that I will follow these words *Caution should be shown of the presence of a soul*, and you could maybe limit 1 debate thread per sensetive topics.

Think about it, please.

 

[Renneh]

https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?p=4150272&posted=1#post4150272

that could be said to prove that a debate forum is needed, depending on how high your benchmark is.

They didn't even take it to be a debate even when I clearly stated at the start of the post that it was... jumping immediately to the conclusion that I was ranting about times I had felt suicidal or asking whether people have felt suicidal...which is not even close to a controversial debate on suicide. Like that topic is. =)

Also this topic will allow people to see the degree to which people can debate at this forum, whether the people who debate well deserve their own forum... and whether some kind of entry method is needed because some people are not able to debate in a impersonal and mature way.

 

[Angela]

And here is my donation towards this forum we all want.


The Donation.

 

[Sublime]

Wait a minute. No religion topics? I was about to make one..
Oh well, my debate is the Iraq War topic.

 

[parallelzero]

Okay guys, just because you post a thread on the same topic as another thread and call it a "debate thread" does not mean you're permitted to bypass the rule against threads about the same topic. =/ Debates happen naturally in OC's threads all the time, and it really just seems like you're trying to be a pain now.

 

[Michii]

Okay guys, just because you post a thread on the same topic as another thread and call it a "debate thread" does not mean you're permitted to bypass the rule against threads about the same topic. =/ Debates happen naturally in OC's threads all the time, and it really just seems like you're trying to be a pain now.

Ahhh! Sorry for the stupid post decision. I got confuzzled about the whole "debate and question" thing. Plus, the other thread was in the OVP when I had seen it last, and I forgot about it. DDDD:

-kills self over silly mistake- ;;

What is everybody trying to prove by making these debates that end up just getting closed? Is this proof that we cannot handle a debate forum? Or that we don't need one? I want one though, in all honesty. :/