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I should replace Krookodile, but with what? Gliscor?

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    My team is what you see on my trainer card

    And I feel like all of them really have their MVP like moments, but Krookodile not so much

    He sounds good on paper

    Choice Scarf
    Adamant Nature
    252 Attack/Speed EVs
    Crunch
    Earthquake
    Stone Edge
    Superpower

    But it seems like he has so many various weaknesses, and being locked into any one of those moves w/ the choice item is easily countered. There's plenty of stuff that doesn't get very hurt by alot of that

    If I don't use the scarf he gets outsped by alot of things and then still gets one or two shot because of how many various weaknesses Krookodiles have.

    Weak to : Water, Grass, Ice, Fighting, Bug. That's 5 weaknesses D: between them someone almost always has an answer to Krookodile on just about any given pokemon....

    As you could assume from my username I think Krookodile is cool, and I kinda came to really like him in Black/White 1 while mostly playing against the dumb CPU NPCs.... he wreaks total havoc on the brainless computers, but against real people he is my stand out LVP (Least valuable player) D:

    The rest of my team can be seen in my trainer card in my sig

    Using a team weakness/strength calculator it seems I got a major weak spot against ground so I think I need something that has massive resistance to ground sorts

    So what I came up with is Gliscor, but the questions are

    1.Should I do something instead of Gliscor?

    2.How should I build Gliscor? I'd really rather not run a boring & annoying substitute spam defensive build.

    Would it be any good to just do

    Gliscor :
    Adamant/Jolly
    Attack/Speed/(Maybe HP?) EVs
    Toxic Orb

    Ice Fang
    Earthquake
    Swords Dance
    Acrobatics (Or something else? What else? Acrobatics sounds weak w/o Flying gem.)

    IDK, so what do you think I should do?

    Get a Gliscor and run it my way? Get a Gliscor and run it some other way? Get some entirely different pokemon? Keep Krookodile when he's clearly a failure compared to my other pokemon? :/

    Edit :

    Maybe since Toxic Orbs heal is a fixed fraction of 1/8 max hp I should pile on 252 HP & 252 Speed EVs

    & Then... have Jolly nature, then hopefully outspeed almost anything, hopefully live to set up a swords dance & then wreak havoc?

    But then I'd be left with only 2 attacks, 1 has to be earthquake since it's powerful STAB, but then the 2nd?

    Toxic & keep hiding behind substitutes & healing w/ the toxic orb neutralizing the substitute damage?

    Ice fang in case of dragons?

    Acrobatics even though it's low base damage because it's a 2nd STAB?!

    Hmmm.....

    If I take Toxic & Earthquake I'd be literally unable to hurt Gengars but that's only 1 pokemon out of like 700.... of course Toxic wouldn't do jack squat to steel pokemon either. hmmmm.... decisions decisions... I hate the 4 move limit lol
     
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    PlatinumDude

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  • Move sets for the rest of your Pokémon would be greatly appreciated here.

    Anyway, Blaziken is deemed an Uber in the competitive environment because of its Dream World ability, Speed Boost.

    Also, just by looking at the team, Choice Scarf Kyurem-B can run over it. Since Krookodile, Garchomp and Gliscor share an Ice weakness, you'll need to find something else that can take Ice moves easily besides Empoleon.

    But if you really want a physical wall that badly, look no further than Gliscor:
    -Substitute
    -Toxic
    -Protect/Taunt/Roost
    -Earthquake
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 244 HP/28 Def/236 Spe
    Item: Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal

    or
    -Earthquake
    -Taunt/Toxic
    -Toxic/Ice Fang/Stealth Rock
    -Protect/Roost
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 244 HP/248 Def/16 Spe
    Item: Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal

    or
    -Swords Dance
    -Earthquake
    -Acrobatics
    -Substitute/Agility/Rock Polish
    Nature: Jolly/Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Flying Gem
    Ability: Hyper Cutter

    or
    -Substitute
    -Baton Pass
    -Earthquake
    -Taunt/Agility/Swords Dance
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 244 HP/28 Def/236 Spe
    Item: Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
     
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    Well I'm not worried about Kyruems cause I just do wifi random battles and occasionally manage to get friend code people for 6 on 6 where I tell them no legendaries

    So I'll never have to face a Kyurem :P

    But all the OR's make it confusing, like which would really be the best

    & If you insist here is what I got on the rest

    Blaziken
    Adamant/Fist Plate/Speed Boost (ATK/SPEED EVs)
    Hi Jump Kick
    Blaze Kick
    Swords Dance
    Protect

    Empoleon
    Modest/Leftovers/Torrent/(Special ATK/Speed EVs)
    Scald
    Ice Beam
    Grass Knot
    Flash Cannon
    (Sometimes I think Special ATK/HP would actually better serve Empoleon, he's always going last most of the time anyway.....what do you think?)

    Gengar
    Modest/Fire Gem/Levitate (Spec ATK/Speed EVS)
    Ghost ball
    Destiny Bond
    Focus Blast
    Hidden Power Fire

    Jolteon
    Modest/Ice Gem/Volt absorb (Special ATK/Speed EVS)
    Hidden power ice
    Thunderbolt
    Signal beam (whatever that bug beam is)
    Volt switch

    Garchomp
    Adamant/Choice Band/Rough Skin/ Attk & Speed EVs
    Outrage
    Dragon Claw
    Earthquake
    Fire Fang

    Well there you have it, and I especially wonder about getting another Empoleon with stacked HP instead of speed because honestly he goes 2nd in most cases anyway..

    Edit :

    TBH with ya I'm sparing myself the time & hassle by just perfecting them with Pokedit.com I did a test battle on wifi real quick and Gliscor & Empoleon combined check just about everything you can think of, throw in Blaziken or Garchomp to sweep up what's left of the enemies in 3v3 or even if it was 6v6 and it's a great combo it seems

    Oh and the Gliscor I'm trying has :

    Toxic Orb w/ Poison heal, Jolly nature, 252 HP/Speed EVs
    Roost
    Swords Dance
    Earthquake
    Ice Fang

    Since the only thing that's REALLY a threat to Gliscor is STAB ice beams/Blizzards, I can just swap into Empoleon if the enemy seems like something that could do it, so it's pretty complimentary :P
     
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    PlatinumDude

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  • If you don't mind my asking, where'd you get that Blaziken? The DW Hoenn starters are events, you know. Like I said, Blaziken is an Uber in competitive play, but if you insist on keeping it:
    -Swords Dance
    -Flare Blitz
    -Hi Jump Kick
    -Protect
    Nature: Jolly/Adamant
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
    Ability: Speed Boost

    While Flash Cannon seems tempting to use on Empoleon as a secondary STAB, it provides no noteworthy coverage whatsoever:
    -Hydro Pump
    -Ice Beam
    -Grass Knot/Hidden Power (Grass)
    -Surf
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 200 HP/252 SAtk/56 Spe
    Item: Choice Specs
    Ability: Torrent

    or
    -Substitute
    -Agility
    -Surf
    -Ice Beam/Grass Knot
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 12 HP/4 Def/252 SAtk/240 Spe
    Item: Petaya Berry
    Ability: Torrent

    Tbh, Gengar and Jolteon should run Timid, as they need all the Speed they can get:

    Gengar:
    -Substitute
    -Disable/Pain Split/Thunderbolt/Hidden Power (Fire)
    -Shadow Ball (this is the correct attack name here; don't mess it up)
    -Focus Blast
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Black Sludge/Life Orb

    or
    -Substitute/Protect
    -Shadow Ball
    -Focus Blast
    -Hidden Power (Fire)
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Black Sludge

    Jolteon: Keep your set the same except change the nature to Timid. Signal Beam is the correct attack name. Modest is tempting, but this will allow base 120s with positive natures to outspeed it, so Timid is the preferred nature.

    Likewise, Garchomp should be Jolly, as Choice Band provides it with enough power already.
     
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    Well what I ended up with that works really well for me is

    Gliscor
    Toxic Orb/Poison Heal
    Jolly Nature
    252 HP/Speed EVs
    Earthquake
    Ice Fang
    Protect
    Swords Dance

    I sware it's great :P It's not the typical cookie cutter Gliscors I've read off of various pages, but I like him this way alot better

    NOTHING can stop him except STAB special attack based ice moves.
    Physical ice moves will not even 1 shot him unless it's coming from an attack BEAST like Tyranitar.

    I can just use protect to scout for if someones going to do that, if they are I swap into Empoleon. Otherwise he's literally unstoppable :D
     

    PlatinumDude

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  • Well what I ended up with that works really well for me is

    Gliscor
    Toxic Orb/Poison Heal
    Jolly Nature
    252 HP/Speed EVs
    Earthquake
    Ice Fang
    Protect
    Swords Dance

    I sware it's great :P It's not the typical cookie cutter Gliscors I've read off of various pages, but I like him this way alot better

    NOTHING can stop him except STAB special attack based ice moves.
    Physical ice moves will not even 1 shot him unless it's coming from an attack BEAST like Tyranitar.

    I can just use protect to scout for if someones going to do that, if they are I swap into Empoleon. Otherwise he's literally unstoppable :D
    Interesting, but Swords Dance + Acrobatics is generally better, since a resisted STAB Acrobatics (without an item) outdamages a neutral STAB Ice Fang. Acrobatics has plenty of raw power once Flying Gem is consumed, making Gliscor more of an offensive threat. Plus, if Empoleon goes down, then Gliscor has a tendency to get revenge killed by faster Water/Ice Pokémon, like, say, Shell Smash Cloyster. Or Starmie.
     
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    Interesting, but Swords Dance + Acrobatics is generally better, since a resisted STAB Acrobatics (without an item) outdamages a neutral STAB Ice Fang. Acrobatics has plenty of raw power once Flying Gem is consumed, making Gliscor more of an offensive threat. Plus, if Empoleon goes down, then Gliscor has a tendency to get revenge killed by faster Water/Ice Pokémon, like, say, Shell Smash Cloyster. Or Starmie.

    Ehhh.... well I like the toxic orb healing and the ice fang is a nice surprise for dragons and other peoples Gliscors, you always need ice somewhere to deal with those or they'll run roughshot over a whole team

    Anyway,

    I've swapped out my Garchomp for a moxie Salamence

    & I don't feel happy with my gengar or Jolteon really, I kind of wonder what would compliment the rest of my team well besides those two?
     
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