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its a team(albeit not a very offensive one)

Espy Psyche

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  • Gardevoir (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 120 HP / 252 SAtk / 136 SDef
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Attract
    - Calm Mind
    - Fire Punch
    - Psychic

    CM Gardy. Attract messes up Blisseys that think they can wall Gardy.

    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 216 Atk / 16 Def / 188 SAtk / 90 SDef
    Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
    - Explosion
    - Meteor Mash
    - Psychic
    - Hidden Power [Fire]

    Psychic for Weezing, HP Fire for Skarm/Forry, MM for attacking power, and boom

    Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 212 HP / 140 SAtk / 156 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Haze
    - Ice Beam
    - Surf
    - Wish

    Its a standard Vaporeon, a hazer/wish support/CMCune counter

    Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 196 HP / 96 Atk / 20 Def / 176 SAtk / 20 SDef
    Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
    - Confuse Ray
    - Ice Beam
    - Shadow Ball
    - Will-O-Wisp

    Burns physical attackers, confuses stuff, kills Gengar and Mence

    Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 196 HP / 176 Atk / 136 Def
    Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
    - Earthquake
    - Explosion
    - Rapid Spin
    - Spikes

    Spiker/Spinner/Physical wall. EQ Magneton on the switch for an instant KO. Boom kills Blissey,. etc.

    Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Aromatherapy
    - Ice Beam
    - Seismic Toss
    - Softboiled

    Standard Blissey.

    Not the most offensive team, but Gardy's Psychic can deal a lot of damage very quickly after being CMed up. Meta MM deals some damage too.
    Fire Punch owns the Celebi that try to come in on Gardy when it CMs up (Gardy's boosts raise its SAtk more than Celebi's boosts)
     

    It's Just Fufu

    Nostalgia is powerful.
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  • Impish on Forretress, Bold on Vaporeon. IIRC, Vaporeon need likes 432 HP, and max Defense. Actually, I'm not sure about the 432 HP, but max defense and Bold ALWAYS on Vappy...

    I truely don't like how All attacking Curselax(which I use and works well with pseudo-screening and wish support) annihilates this team...even with Will-O-Wisp.

    I'd like to see this team stop Jolly Swords Dancing Heracross.
     
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    Gardevoir (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 120 HP / 252 SAtk / 136 SDef
    Timid Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Attract
    - Calm Mind
    - Thunderbolt
    - Psychic


    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 216 Atk / 16 Def / 188 SAtk / 90 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
    - Explosion
    - Meteor Mash
    - Earthquake
    - Agility

    Agilitygross is good but old fashioned.

    Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 212 HP / 140 SAtk / 156 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Haze
    - Ice Beam
    - Surf
    - Wish

    Good moveset, Counter is also an option.

    Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 196 HP / 96 Atk / 20 Def / 176 SAtk / 20 SDef
    Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
    - Confuse Ray
    - Ice Beam/Thunderbolt
    - Shadow Ball
    - Will-O-Wisp

    I`ve seen a set like that. Thunderbolt is an option too.

    Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 196 HP / 176 Atk / 136 Def
    Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
    - Earthquake
    - Explosion
    - Rapid Spin
    - Spikes

    Good Moveet.

    Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Aromatherapy
    - Ice Beam
    - Seismic Toss
    - Softboiled

    Yeah, I use that too.

    Not the most offensive team, but Gardy's Psychic can deal a lot of damage very quickly after being CMed up. Meta MM deals some damage too.
    Fire Punch owns the Celebi that try to come in on Gardy when it CMs up (Gardy's boosts raise its SAtk more than Celebi's boosts)

    Changes in Bold. Here is another Metagross set:

    Metagross@Leftovers/Salac Berry
    Adamant Nature
    -Earthquake
    -Shadow Ball
    -Meteor Mash
    -Explosion


    Another Set:

    Metagross@Leftovers
    Adamant Nature
    -Rockslide
    -Earthquake
    -Meteor Mash
    -Shadow Ball

    If you can`t get the natures I showed, keep them the same as yours.
     

    Ice demon

    All purpose cleaner ^^
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  • Oh yea Lugialord! Countering vappy for the win.


    Gardevoir (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 120 HP / 252 SAtk / 136 SDef
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Hypnosis/fire punch/destiny bond/rest
    - Calm Mind
    - Thunderbolt
    - Psychic

    Bad lead.Start with Metgross.And no.

    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 216 Atk / 16 Def / 188 SAtk / 90 SDef
    Adamant
    - Explosion
    - Meteor Mash
    - Earthquake
    - Rockslide

    When's the Last time u've seen forry?..Use standard CBgross please

    Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 212 HP / 140 SAtk / 156 SDef
    BOLD Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Haze
    - Ice Beam
    - Surf
    - Wish

    Max Def Evs and hp.

    Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 196 HP / 96 Atk / 20 Def / 176 SAtk / 20 SDef
    Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
    - Confuse Ray
    - Ice Beam
    - Shadow Ball
    - Will-O-Wisp

    God no. Max hp, and stick Focus punch over IB and painsplit/rest over confuse ray.Impish

    Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 196 HP / 176 Atk / 136 Def
    Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
    - Earthquake
    - Explosion
    - Rapid Spin
    - Spikes

    Impish,max hp.Don't tell me anything abt leftovers recovery.

    Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Aromatherapy
    - Ice Beam
    - Seismic Toss
    - Softboiled

    except for the ungodly amt of SpAtt u gave her for No reason at all.

    Not the most offensive team, but Gardy's Psychic can deal a lot of damage very quickly after being CMed up. Meta MM deals some damage too.
    Fire Punch owns the Celebi that try to come in on Gardy when it CMs up (Gardy's boosts raise its SAtk more than Celebi's boosts)
     
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    Oops! Yeah, attract. Change it to Hypnosis.

    If you think my moves suck (as everyone does) do what the poster above said.
     
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    To defensive for my liking, take Gardevior from the lead and put Vaporeon, to counter the ever-so popular, Salamence, or put Metagross up there. Take out Blissey (Cos he/she can't do jack) for Snorlax so your team is still quite defensive but a little more offensive.

    Cheers,

    uberness.
     
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    No Lugialord, if you ask many other people who are experts in NB they will probably say Snorlax > Blissey in many cases. In e4protector's case, Snorlax is a better option because of his lack of offense in his team. Snorlax is the perfect replacement for Blissey because it has a great amount of Sp. Def and a godly high attack stat to go with it. :\
     

    Espy Psyche

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  • There's a Forry on this team, and I see others often. More common is Skarmory, but HP Fire kills it too.
    I basically see "your EVs are messed up" though.

    Considering the purpose shift on Vaporeon, but I am keeping Elitegross.

    Attract Gardy serves me well, I usually get to CM to hell and 2HKO Blissey, then OHKO anything else with my 1500+ SAtk. Destiny Bond is better suited on Gengar, who can outspeed the enemy and Destiny Bond to kill it when they kill you, and WoW is better suited on Clops, who can take a physical hit, or Gengar/Ninetales, who can outspeed physical attackers.

    Dusclops has always been a "works but might work better as _________" on this team. I am against Focus Punch because I can never land a hit with it, except on my 2v2 team where I can have my Clefable use Follow Me to defend Machamp from taking a hit. Also I will use it on Breloom for sporepunching. Might replace IB with Pain Split though, deals major damage to Snorlax/Blissey/anything high HP. (now doesn't need SAtk EVs on Clops)

    Replacing Blissey with Snorlax eliminates my beller. I need a beller because this team hates being statused. I also see EspyJump messing this team up big time without my Blissey, because Espy can 2HKO Lax with 3 CMs and Lax can't OHKO a subbed Espy.

    Same team, with some alterations.

    Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 124 HP / 252 Def / 132 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Haze
    - Ice Beam
    - Surf
    - Wish

    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 216 Atk / 16 Def / 188 SAtk / 90 SDef
    Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
    - Explosion
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Meteor Mash
    - Psychic

    Gardevoir (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 120 HP / 252 SAtk / 136 SDef
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Attract
    - Calm Mind
    - Fire Punch
    - Psychic

    Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 68 Def / 92 SDef
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
    - Confuse Ray
    - Pain Split
    - Shadow Ball
    - Will-O-Wisp

    Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 196 HP / 176 Atk / 136 Def
    Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
    - Earthquake
    - Explosion
    - Rapid Spin
    - Spikes

    Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 6 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Aromatherapy
    - Ice Beam
    - Seismic Toss
    - Softboiled
     
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    Alter Ego

    that evil mod from hell
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  • Ho-hum, you Blissey still has next to no HP EVs, which is lol since HP is Blissey's key stat and should be the first one to maximize. It's the godly amount of HP that makes Blissey almost impossible to OHKO, and it's foolish not to take advantage of it. Maximized Sp.Attack for Ice Beam only...don't you honestly see what a waste that is? Anything beyond what OHKOs Salamence is completely redundant. Also, Forry is your main physical wall so I'd really, REALLY suggest Rest over Explosion. The Attack stat is also looking a bit too hefty to me, not sure, though. As for Attract on Gardevoir...that's just playing your luck. If you want a special attacker that can screw over Blissey then Jynx is the way to go. You've also got fire and psychic attacks covered by Gardevoir, so CBgross would, as Ice Demon pointed out, work better than your current build, especially considering the lack of physical power this team suffers from. Blissey, especially if it has Toxic, can and will screw this team over, as will Regice (Whom you can't Attract =P) not to mention Suicune as soon as Vappy is removed from the picture. Relying on hax moves like Confuse Ray is also pretty N00Bish, especially since your Dusclops has Will-O-Wisp which will reduce the confuse damage. You should really replace that with Substitute to pick on burned physical attackers and add a bit of status protection. I prefer subpunching clops since it lols at Houndoom and Tyranitar, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.
     

    Espy Psyche

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  • I don't freaking know how much SAtk is needed to kill Mence with Blissey's I/Beam. Tell me and I might fix it.
    Nor do I know how much Atk Forry needs to OHKO Magneton.

    I see no problem with my Elitegross, but I might want T/Bolt over Fire Punch on Gardy...kills Milotic/Suicune.
     
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    There's a Forry on this team, and I see others often. More common is Skarmory, but HP Fire kills it too.
    I basically see "your EVs are messed up" though.

    Considering the purpose shift on Vaporeon, but I am keeping Elitegross.

    Attract Gardy serves me well, I usually get to CM to hell and 2HKO Blissey, then OHKO anything else with my 1500+ SAtk. Destiny Bond is better suited on Gengar, who can outspeed the enemy and Destiny Bond to kill it when they kill you, and WoW is better suited on Clops, who can take a physical hit, or Gengar/Ninetales, who can outspeed physical attackers.

    Dusclops has always been a "works but might work better as _________" on this team. I am against Focus Punch because I can never land a hit with it, except on my 2v2 team where I can have my Clefable use Follow Me to defend Machamp from taking a hit. Also I will use it on Breloom for sporepunching. Might replace IB with Pain Split though, deals major damage to Snorlax/Blissey/anything high HP. (now doesn't need SAtk EVs on Clops)

    Replacing Blissey with Snorlax eliminates my beller. I need a beller because this team hates being statused. I also see EspyJump messing this team up big time without my Blissey, because Espy can 2HKO Lax with 3 CMs and Lax can't OHKO a subbed Espy.

    Same team, with some alterations.

    Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 124 HP / 252 Def / 132 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Haze
    - Ice Beam
    - Surf
    - Wish

    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 216 Atk / 16 Def / 188 SAtk / 90 SDef
    Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
    - Explosion
    - Agility
    - Meteor Mash
    - Earthquake

    Adamant is better.

    Gardevoir (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 120 HP / 252 SAtk / 136 SDef
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Hypnosis
    - Calm Mind
    - Thunderbolt
    - Psychic

    Timid is also good but Modest is fine.

    Dusclops (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 68 Def / 92 SDef
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
    - Confuse Ray
    - Pain Split
    - Shadow Ball
    - Will-O-Wisp

    Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 196 HP / 176 Atk / 136 Def
    Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
    - Earthquake
    - Explosion
    - Rapid Spin
    - Spikes

    Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 6 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Aromatherapy
    - Ice Beam
    - Seismic Toss
    - Softboiled

    Changes in Bold. People may prefer Snorlax then Blissey.

    Snorlax@Leftovers/Salac Berry
    Adamant Nature
    -Curse
    -Rest
    -Body Slam
    -Earthquake

    Old Curselax.



    Snorlax@Leftovers
    Adamant Nature
    -Sleep Talk
    -Rest
    -Double-Edge
    -Curse

    Sleep Talk Curselax.
     
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