Whether you wish to believe it or not, history classes do present historical information through biased points of view. Therefore, you cannot entirely rely on them.
But I am not here to debate about education. Lets move on.
You do realize that the Love Hina girls also bathe with towels, right?
I do not see May and Dawn as being positive role models. However, the writers of Pokemon do intend to establish them this way. It is a shame, considering that they are weepy and whinny dolts.
The scene was meant to be taken as a joke. Those watching the episode were supposed to find it humorous that Max assumed May was stripping when she actually was not.
Also, lets assume that May did actually strip. If she did, it would have taken her longer than it did to change into her swim suit.
Actually, Misty is rather similar to Naru from Love Hina.
Even if Misty is a better role model than the likes of May and Dawn, I still would not say she is a great one, since she was frequently nasty during the Kanto and Orange Islands sagas and did not have any personality to speak of during the Johto saga. There are much better female role models in media (such as Sookie Stackhouse from True Blood, Genkai from Yu Yu Hakusho, Izumi Curtis from Fullmetal Alchemist, and Farah Oersted from Tales of Eternia).
Even when nearing the centers of hot-springs, they still wear their towels.Yeah, I do, but they usually only wear them at the edge of the pool, just when they are beginning the bath. They DON'T, however, wear a towel nearing the center of the pool. Misty, on the other hand, DID wear a towel even in the middle of the pool.
I am not saying you do not have a right to try to eliminate such a stereotype. Considering I dislike it, I say go for it.weedle_mchairybug said:In my viewpoint, if something's a bad role model, I have every right to outright eliminate it.
Though it is technically a children's program, Pokemon is not innocent. It is chock full of innuendos.weedle_mchairybug said:Even if it was meant to be a joke, the mere fact that the writers would even THINK something like that is funny still means it was very dirty and should never have been made in the first place.
You are correct in assuming Jessie and Naru are similar, but we were discussing Misty, not Jessie.weedle_mchairybug said:I know Jessie's quite similar to Naru Narusegawa (since she often reacts negatively at her comrades and enemies alike when even a harmless intending word), but I never really saw Misty even acting similar to her. The closest was her temper, and even then, she usually only lashes out if undeniably provoked [by that, I mean, if the provoker clearly intended to get a rise out of her.] In fact, it's very rare that she ends up getting provoked for essentially no reason whatsoever (unlike Naru Narusegawa, who does react for essentially no reason whatsoever. Heck, she once pulled a Keitaru on Keitaru, and she still "punished" him anyways.)
True Blood is not an anime. I was also referring to the Tales of Eternia game, not the anime (I have only seen one episode from the Tales of Eternia anime, so I cannot properly judge it).weedle_mchairbug said:Well, I haven't watched those anime, but I'm guessing they aren't exactly suitable for young audiences, so doing those won't be a good idea. In terms of the target age group (which is especially vulnerable), Misty's the closest to a good rolemodel that we can get. Heck, studies showed that Misty had a tremendous positive impact on the female audience.
When the question in the poll asks who the "hottest" girl is, and when we consider the definition of "hot":
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(slang) Of a person, very physically or sexually attractive.That woman is hot!then yeah, most (most, not all! =D) of the people who reply are going to be too busy ogling May's breasts or trying to catch a glimpse up Dawn's skirt to actually consider the implications of finding a ten-year-old sexually attractive.
Dawn
May
Misty
[LOGIC] This is weird 'cos they're all like 10 years old, we should be ashamed of ourselves [/LOGIC]
Even when nearing the centers of hot-springs, they still wear their towels.
I am not saying you do not have a right to try to eliminate such a stereotype. Considering I dislike it, I say go for it.
Though it is technically a children's program, Pokemon is not innocent. It is chock full of innuendos.
You are correct in assuming Jessie and Naru are similar, but we were discussing Misty, not Jessie.
There have also been occasions where Misty has angrily attacked people (whether verbally or physically) without being provoked in any way.
True Blood is not an anime. I was also referring to the Tales of Eternia game, not the anime (I have only seen one episode from the Tales of Eternia anime, so I cannot properly judge it).
True Blood, Yu Yu Hakusho, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Tales of Eternia may not fall under the same age demographics as Pokemon, but their viewers (or players in the case of Tales of Eternia) could still be affected by them psychologically. It is also a guarantee that young children will still be exposed to True Blood, Yu Yu Hakusho, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Tales of Eternia regardless of whether or not they are age appropriate for them.
I have never seen any studies which indicate that Misty has had a positive affect on Pokemon's female audience. If you can, provide me with a link showing how studies have proven Pokemon's female audience has been positively influenced by her.
[edit] Critical reception
The book The Japanification of Children's Popular Culture described Misty's portrayal in the anime as a mother figure, calling her a "nurturing component" for the original trio of herself, Ash and Brock.[5] It further described her as an "unusually 'complete' girl of the cartoon world", noting both her feminine sentimentality and her "explosive rage".[6] Anime Classics Zettai!: 100 Must-See Japanese Animation Masterpieces praised the character as being "particularly nuanced" and described her as contributing heavily to the series' appeal.[7] Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon stated that the anime focused on Ash, Misty was a distinctly significant character especially to young female consumers, neither "butch" nor "dizzily feminine", seemingly "carefully constructed to appeal to preadolescent girls".[8] It added that unlike other aggressive female characters in the series, Misty did not sacrifice her femininity to succeed, making the character further popular with young American women, a contrast to Japanese children who focused more on the individual Pokémon species to identify with.[9]
In studies on the reactions boys and girls had to the concept of Misty as a heroine in the series, girls accepted it and were eager to associate themselves with the character,[10][11] while boys attempted to belittle her efforts.[10] On the other hand, children of both genders felt the character alongside Brock gave Ash a sense of identity and moral support, which researchers attributed to the concept of group identity.[12] In another study, children were shown to associate the attributes of attractiveness and aggressiveness, while college students described the character as romantic.[13] Pikachu's Global Adventure additionally stated Misty also served as a source of non-threatening sexuality for both older and younger male viewers, though the context of such was presented in a more subtle way for North American localizations of the series.[14]
5.^ West, Mark I. (2008). The Japanification of Children's Popular Culture. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 58. ISBN 0810851210.
6.^ West, Mark I. (2008). The Japanification of Children's Popular Culture. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 78. ISBN 0810851210.
7.^ Camp, Brian; Julie Davis (May 2007). Anime Classics Zettai!: 100 Must-See Japanese Animation Masterpieces. Stone Bridge Press. p. 283. ISBN 9781933330228.
8.^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. p. 21. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
9.^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. pp. 231-232, 282. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
10.^ a b Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. p. 176. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
11.^ Katch, Jane (2004). They Don't Like Me: Lessons on Bullying and Teasing from a Preschool Classroom. Beacon Press. ISBN 0807023213.
12.^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. pp. 169-170, 177. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
13.^ Ogletree, Shirley M.; Cristal N. Martinez, Trent R. Turner and Brad Mason (2004). "Pokémon: Exploring the Role of Gender". Sex Roles (Springer Netherlands) 50, Numbers 11-12 / June, 2004: 851-859. doi:10.1023/B:SERS.0000029102.66384.a2. ISSN (Print) 1573-2762 (Online) 0360-0025 (Print) 1573-2762 (Online).
14.^ Tobin, Joseph Jay (2004). Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon. Duke University Press. pp. 284. ISBN 0-822-33287-6.
misty.id' love with her.ha ha ha
On-topic, while I am attracted to girls, physical appearances are not what I care for. The only thing I truly think is important for a girl to deserve loyalty is her positive behavior and intelligence. So, really, I cannot vote.
Everyone, even those who go based on personality care even the slightest bit on looks I think. I won't date a girl unless she has a great personality and the attractive in my eyes. Hence, exactly why Dawn is mine. =X ;)
Everyone, even those who go based on personality care even the slightest bit on looks I think. I won't date a girl unless she has a great personality and the attractive in my eyes. Hence, exactly why Dawn is mine. =X ;)