Most useless Pokemon move tournament

[2Cool4Mewtwo]

Outside of competitive battling, Swallow I could say is completely useless in most cases (unless you're too poor for hyper potions, etc.) and doesn't even compete with Spit Up (Believe it or not, spit up that has been charged 3 times is twice as powerful as hyper beam).

In competitive battling, healing moves can be very valuable. However, the likelihood of surviving 2-3 rounds for storing HP (50% for 2, 100% for 3) would be slim in competitive battling. Spit Up can do massive damage at once to "surprise" the opponent, but again, it would usually be hard to survive 2 or 3 rounds in competitive battling (In this case it's kind of like bide, but with set damage). Even then, I vote for Spit Up, because trying to endure 3 hits to recover is somewhat redundant (most of the times in competitive battling you won't survive 3 hits unless your opponent was trapped or set up on), while Spit Up has massive chance to OHKO the opponent provided that they're not ghost-types (300 base power is no joke, obviously)

So my vote for useless move goes to swallow.

 

[Rukiabdl]

Swallow really has little use. A lot of build-up just to erase the damage taken building it up.

 

[Snorelacks]

It also gets rid of the build-up.

Swallow beat Spit Up 3-0 in the previous competition. Swallow is on to the next round.

This competition is Smog vs. Barrage. Vote for which you think is worse.

Smog: 70 accuracy, 20 power, special Poison-Type move with 40% chance to regularly poison the target.

Barrage: 15 power, 85 accuracy, physical Normal-Type move. Hits target 2-5 times. Signature move of Exeggcute and Exeggutor.

This is a really hard one. I guess my vote goes to Smog. It only hits as much as Thunder, Blizzard and Hurricane for what? 20 power and a chance of regular poison? Even against a Grass-Type with awful Special Defense, it does maybe 10-30% damage.

Don't get me wrong, Barrage stinks equally. Or, almost equally. It's a signature move with no STAB, bad accuracy and only 75 power at the maximum.

 

[2Cool4Mewtwo]

I'm voting for Smog, because Barrage can do more damage 67.5% of the time, and is bit more accurate. Plus there are always better moves that can poison (Toxic, etc.)

 

[Snorelacks]

I'm voting for Smog, because Barrage can do more damage 67.5% of the time, and is bit more accurate. Plus there are always better moves that can poison (Toxic, etc.)

Barrage does a maximum of 150 BP damage, and that's if it hits 5 times and scores a critical hit. It's still nowhere close to 67.5% of the time that Barrage hits for 75 power. Just wanted to point that out.

 

[PlatinumDude]

Okay...I'd go with Smog. It's very weak and I'd rather use Sludge Bomb, which has the same chance of poisoning.

 

[2Cool4Mewtwo]

Barrage does a maximum of 150 BP damage, and that's if it hits 5 times and scores a critical hit. It's still nowhere close to 67.5% of the time that Barrage hits for 75 power. Just wanted to point that out.

Smog has base power of 20, increasing to whopping 40 if it is super effective. Barrage hits at least 2 times, which means it has minimum BP of 30. Chance of barrage hitting 2 times is 37.5% and... wait... *headdesk*

But my point still stands. It can still do more than 40 BP damage 62.5% of the time, which is STILL more than half the time. And smog can get STAB, but only poison-type pokemon evo line that can naturally learn it is the koffing evo line. (other poison type pokemon can learn it through breeding, but what's the practical use if there are literally tens of better poison-type moves?)

And even with Koffing/Weezing hitting a pokemon with SUPER-EFFECTIVE 60 Base Power damage, it's just not too common enough to see in order for it to become "useful." At least Barrage is a signature move, a useful one or not.

 

[Snorelacks]

Smog has base power of 20, increasing to whopping 40 if it is super effective. Barrage hits at least 2 times, which means it has minimum BP of 30. Chance of barrage hitting 2 times is 37.5% and... wait... *headdesk*

But my point still stands. It can still do more than 40 BP damage 62.5% of the time, which is STILL more than half the time. And smog can get STAB, but only poison-type pokemon evo line that can naturally learn it is the koffing evo line. (other poison type pokemon can learn it through breeding, but what's the practical use if there are literally tens of better poison-type moves?)

And even with Koffing/Weezing hitting a pokemon with SUPER-EFFECTIVE 60 Base Power damage, it's just not too common enough to see in order for it to become "useful." At least Barrage is a signature move, a useful one or not.

Yeah... I made a mistake, I switched Smog's accuracy with its base power in my mind when I wrote the last post.
Why does Flareon get Smog? As long as it has a Fire-Type move when it's that "young", why would you ever put Smog on it?

I'm currently compiling a list of Pokemon that can use a moveset with unresisted type coverage (for fun).

Lanturn
Thunderbolt/Discharge
Surf/Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Signal Beam

Gengar
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
HP Ice/Icy Wind
Focus Blast

Infernape is pretty close...
Hmm... I'm not sure anymore.

Whatever, that was a stupid idea.