4th Gen NOOOOOOOO! (and other things....)

[PKDante]

Last night I managed to chain to 40 dittos for the first time using the pokeradar (my previous best chain was 35 and that took me enough attempts to get!) anyhoo, I started resetting the radar to tray and get a shiny and eventually I got one! Result! my first shiny on my game that I actually caught for myself, I reset the radar a load more times and ran into shiny number two, I was pretty happy at this point! Then I keep going for number 3 and out of nowhere the game just...freezes, no sound, no buttons responding, nothing! I'm gutted as all my effort was wasted and I'll probably never chain to 40 for weeks! So If anyone feels like adding a kind word, donating me a shiny ditto or answering one of the following questions I'll be most grateful!

1) Has this happened to anyone else?

2) Does anyone know the odds of running into a shiny at different chain lengths (e.g the odds at 5, 10, 15, 20 etc....)

3) For those of you that have run into shinies whilst chaining, at 40 how long has it taken for you to see the shiny patch? I'd used about 30 max repels before it appeared and then another 30 or more for the second, I'm just wondering if it's normally shorter or longer...

Sorry for the rant!

DAN!

 

[Consize]

I've had 3 shiny Pokemon appear for me before a chain of 40, first time was my first chained shiny at a chain of 35 Pidgey, then a very lucky one at a chain of 9 Starly and finally yesturday I got a shiny Absol at a chain of 39.
Its all about luck really, by the time I got the shiny Absol I had about 67 super repels left, and I got through them all without any more shiny patches appearing, however last week I did a chain of Zubat and shinies were plentiful (One straight after another at one point). From my knowledge once a chain gets to 40 it becomes 1/200 to find a shiny, but I'm not sure whether that is 1/200 resets or 1/200 patches.
Something I have adopted to my chaining now is saving after I catch every shiny, Sadly it won't get your Dittos back but best to be prepared for next time.

 

[PKDante]

3 shinies before 40! That would be a dream come true for me! I always hope but it never happens!

Have you got any chaining tips that I might find useful as you seem to have chained a lot of shines!

Also, doesn't saving whilst chaining break your chain?

DAN!

 

[Consize]

Also, doesn't saving whilst chaining break your chain?

I was quite worried that it might, but I had to try (as I didn't like wasting repels because I'm always skint) but no, saving doesn't break the chain, you just can't (obviously) reset and start the chain from where you saved xD.
My chaining tips are pretty much:
• Patience is key, even if the patch looks perfect it isn't 100% likely to have your Pokémon so it is still down to luck.
• Step counting - this is very important as you probably already do it but taking gambles is never a wise idea, foolishly breaking a chain at 38 is never nice ;)
• And finally still on the subject of step counting, there are two common techniques out there: "Go to the patch that is furthest away" and "Go to the patch on the 4th 'ring'", my advise is to combine those and only go for Patches if they are both the furthest away and on the 4th 'ring', and never go to patches if the furthest is equidistant to another.

Sorry for the long rant, just thought I ought to try to make it as clear as possible, and I hope it helps =]

 

[PKDante]

Yeah I just tried to get to 40 again, and the chain broke at 29 on patch that looked absolutely perfect :(

I think I stick to those tips already, but could you elaborate on the second point you made (the one about step counting and breaking a chain foolishly at 38)

Also, how often do you get to 40 when you chain?

DAN!

 

[Mooshykris]

Hmmmm...it was probably just a random freeze, it has happened to me at least once on all of my games, so not much can be done I'm afraid.

And that's all the help I can offer :(

Also, curious,

You actually spend that much time chaining for shinies? I'd have given up long before that.

Asking, because doesn't that ruin the "special" attribute of having one?

Mooshykris

 

[Peach●Pit]

Aww that is horrible, slap that DS. : ( Are the chances of finding shinys higher when you use a pokeradar then? -Only just bought Diamond-

 

[Consize]

Sorry I didn't make it very clear, basically by step counting I mean counting the numbers of steps from your position to the patches. Basically the rule is that if the furthest patch is 5-7 patches away.

Are the chances of finding shinys higher when you use a pokeradar then?

Sadly no, the highest chance is 1/200 once you reach a chain of 40.

 

[Arumus]

I've got an Action Replay so I never thought about the chaining because it'd be frustrating and I don't have to. How do you guys get the patience?

 

[shinkita]

I ran into a shiny ghastly today :P. I was training sp.atk for my charmander. It's good that the tower has only ghastlys :D

 

[Mooshykris]

I've got an Action Replay so I never thought about the chaining because it'd be frustrating and I don't have to. How do you guys get the patience?

As I said, it's not about patience really, it's supposed to be about getting lucky :P

Mooshykris

 

[HalcyonXIII]

2) Does anyone know the odds of running into a shiny at different chain lengths (e.g the odds at 5, 10, 15, 20 etc....)

3) For those of you that have run into shinies whilst chaining, at 40 how long has it taken for you to see the shiny patch? I'd used about 30 max repels before it appeared and then another 30 or more for the second, I'm just wondering if it's normally shorter or longer...

Sorry for the rant!

DAN!

2) -

Chain number: Shiny patch rate per bush - Shiny patch rate per 4 bushes - percentage

00: 1/8200 - 1/2050 - 0.05%
01: 1/8000 - 1/2000 - 0.05%
02: 1/7800 - 1/1950 - 0.05%
03: 1/7600 - 1/1900 - 0.05%
04: 1/7400 - 1/1850 - 0.05%
05: 1/7200 - 1/1800 - 0.06%
06: 1/7000 - 1/1750 - 0.06%
07: 1/6800 - 1/1700 - 0.06%
08: 1/6600 - 1/1650 - 0.06%
09: 1/6400 - 1/1600 - 0.06%
10: 1/6200 - 1/1550 - 0.06%
11: 1/6000 - 1/1500 - 0.07%
12: 1/5800 - 1/1450 - 0.07%
13: 1/5600 - 1/1400 - 0.07%
14: 1/5400 - 1/1350 - 0.07%
15: 1/5200 - 1/1300 - 0.08%
16: 1/5000 - 1/1250 - 0.08%
17: 1/4800 - 1/1200 - 0.08%
18: 1/4600 - 1/1150 - 0.09%
19: 1/4400 - 1/1100 - 0.09%
20: 1/4200 - 1/1050 - 0.10%
21: 1/4000 - 1/1000 - 0.10%
22: 1/3800 - 1/950 - 0.11%
23: 1/3600 - 1/900 - 0.11%
24: 1/3400 - 1/850 - 0.12%
25: 1/3200 - 1/800 - 0.13%
26: 1/3000 - 1/750 - 0.13%
27: 1/2800 - 1/700 - 0.14%
28: 1/2600 - 1/650 - 0.15%
29: 1/2400 - 1/600 - 0.17%
30: 1/2200 - 1/550 - 0.18%
31: 1/2000 - 1/500 - 0.20%
32: 1/1800 - 1/450 - 0.22%
33: 1/1600 - 1/400 - 0.25%
34: 1/1400 - 1/350 - 0.29%
35: 1/1200 - 1/300 - 0.33%
36: 1/1000 - 1/250 - 0.40%
37: 1/800 - 1/200 - 0.50%
38: 1/600 - 1/150 - 0.67%
39: 1/400 - 1/100 - 1%
40+: 1/200 - 1/50 - 2%

Courtesy of ninjascyther of Serebiiforums.

3) It varies. The average is meant to be around 10-15, but my worst has been over 100 Max Repels since hitting 40, and my best has been the very moment my chain hit 40 - sometimes on a chain number before that.
It's very possible to get a Shiny bush immediately after a previous Shiny bush, or to see two Shiny patches appear at the same time.

In other words, it's all down to chance.

Aww that is horrible, slap that DS. : ( Are the chances of finding shinys higher when you use a pokeradar then? -Only just bought Diamond-

Yep, see above. Without the Poké Radar, the chance of finding a random Shiny is 1/8192.
Of course, not all species of Pokémon can be chained.

Sorry I didn't make it very clear, basically by step counting I mean counting the numbers of steps from your position to the patches. Basically the rule is that if the furthest patch is 5-7 patches away.


Sadly no, the highest chance is 1/200 once you reach a chain of 40.

Distance isn't what's important, it's the patch that falls on the 4th row that you want to enter.

4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
4 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4
4 3 2 2 2 2 2 3 4
4 3 2 1 1 1 2 3 4
4 3 2 1 0 1 2 3 4
4 3 2 1 1 1 2 3 4
4 3 2 2 2 2 2 3 4
4 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4

0 being where the player is standing when the patches shake.
There are supposed to be other factors that affect the chances of a chain breaking, but i'm fairly sure distance isn't one of them.

In the game, Lucas/Dawn mentions that you should enter the furthest patch away, because the 4th row patch tends to be the furthest one away, otherwise it's usually the 3rd patch that is.
It's not like the developers could make that character explain in intricate detail about rows and only entering the bush in the 4th one ect., or tell you the safest way to continue a chain.

Subtle hints are all you get from them, the rest is for the players to find out for themselves =3

 

[Tigger]

My game also randomly frooze once right at the point where it says, "Saving ... Don't turn off the power" I thought it was gonna wipe the whole game luckily it was fine as it had some kinda back up save, which is a very good feature :)

A few people have mentioned Max Repels, but I always super repels as you get more for your money, unless you are using like an AR then it doesn't matter.

Thanks for all the chain tips, I had a chain of Dittos yesterday but only got to 7 :S

 

[darkace]

It's the game i have diamond and pearl, in my diamond i can chainless, but in pearl i can chain more and easier.

 

[Jack Surge]

No darkace, it has nothing to do with the version you play. >>

The only shiny I found while chaining is a Machop. I was EV training north of Oreburgh, and got sick of Geodudes, so I used the Pokeradar or whatever. Yeah, I don't spend much time searching for them.

 

[~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~]

I don't use a Pokemonradar to look for shiny Pokemon, just to find the rare ones, but one day I was just fooling around with the Pokeradar and on my 3rd try I found a shiny Gligar, I was really happy


:t354:TG

 

[PKDante]

2) -

Chain number: Shiny patch rate per bush - Shiny patch rate per 4 bushes - percentage

00: 1/8200 - 1/2050 - 0.05%
01: 1/8000 - 1/2000 - 0.05%
02: 1/7800 - 1/1950 - 0.05%
03: 1/7600 - 1/1900 - 0.05%
04: 1/7400 - 1/1850 - 0.05%
05: 1/7200 - 1/1800 - 0.06%
06: 1/7000 - 1/1750 - 0.06%
07: 1/6800 - 1/1700 - 0.06%
08: 1/6600 - 1/1650 - 0.06%
09: 1/6400 - 1/1600 - 0.06%
10: 1/6200 - 1/1550 - 0.06%
11: 1/6000 - 1/1500 - 0.07%
12: 1/5800 - 1/1450 - 0.07%
13: 1/5600 - 1/1400 - 0.07%
14: 1/5400 - 1/1350 - 0.07%
15: 1/5200 - 1/1300 - 0.08%
16: 1/5000 - 1/1250 - 0.08%
17: 1/4800 - 1/1200 - 0.08%
18: 1/4600 - 1/1150 - 0.09%
19: 1/4400 - 1/1100 - 0.09%
20: 1/4200 - 1/1050 - 0.10%
21: 1/4000 - 1/1000 - 0.10%
22: 1/3800 - 1/950 - 0.11%
23: 1/3600 - 1/900 - 0.11%
24: 1/3400 - 1/850 - 0.12%
25: 1/3200 - 1/800 - 0.13%
26: 1/3000 - 1/750 - 0.13%
27: 1/2800 - 1/700 - 0.14%
28: 1/2600 - 1/650 - 0.15%
29: 1/2400 - 1/600 - 0.17%
30: 1/2200 - 1/550 - 0.18%
31: 1/2000 - 1/500 - 0.20%
32: 1/1800 - 1/450 - 0.22%
33: 1/1600 - 1/400 - 0.25%
34: 1/1400 - 1/350 - 0.29%
35: 1/1200 - 1/300 - 0.33%
36: 1/1000 - 1/250 - 0.40%
37: 1/800 - 1/200 - 0.50%
38: 1/600 - 1/150 - 0.67%
39: 1/400 - 1/100 - 1%
40+: 1/200 - 1/50 - 2%

Courtesy of ninjascyther of Serebiiforums.

3) It varies. The average is meant to be around 10-15, but my worst has been over 100 Max Repels since hitting 40, and my best has been the very moment my chain hit 40 - sometimes on a chain number before that.
It's very possible to get a Shiny bush immediately after a previous Shiny bush, or to see two Shiny patches appear at the same time.

In other words, it's all down to chance.



Yep, see above. Without the Poké Radar, the chance of finding a random Shiny is 1/8192.
Of course, not all species of Pokémon can be chained.



Distance isn't what's important, it's the patch that falls on the 4th row that you want to enter.

4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
4 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4
4 3 2 2 2 2 2 3 4
4 3 2 1 1 1 2 3 4
4 3 2 1 0 1 2 3 4
4 3 2 1 1 1 2 3 4
4 3 2 2 2 2 2 3 4
4 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4

0 being where the player is standing when the patches shake.
There are supposed to be other factors that affect the chances of a chain breaking, but i'm fairly sure distance isn't one of them.

In the game, Lucas/Dawn mentions that you should enter the furthest patch away, because the 4th row patch tends to be the furthest one away, otherwise it's usually the 3rd patch that is.
It's not like the developers could make that character explain in intricate detail about rows and only entering the bush in the 4th one ect., or tell you the safest way to continue a chain.

Subtle hints are all you get from them, the rest is for the players to find out for themselves =3

Does it have to be the 4th "ring" or can it be further away?

I always choose the furthest one away, should I keep doing that or do to the furthest patch as long as it's on the 4th ring?

 

[Ezzo!]

Chaining seems like you need luck for it or at least the patience to start over again.

 

[alecray]

what does chaining mean?are you having trouble spelling training?

 

[wakachamo]

what does chaining mean?are you having trouble spelling training?

I suggest you go read the FAQ before you ask a question like that.