Omfg Rmt!!11!!! Sueper Lvl 255 Snorlax!!

[Phlemingo]

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Octillery (M) @ Quick Claw
Trait: Suction Cups
EVs: 178 Atk / 176 Def / 156 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Fire Blast
- Rock Blast
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Surf

Takes cares of all spikers and ninjask. A nice opener.
You wanna switch Blissey? Suffer the consequences! Not a definite kill, but some heavy damage nonetheless.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 6 Spd / 252 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave

Standard. EVs set so the average damage by Ice Beam to Dugtrio with minimum sp def is 211, its hp with no evs.

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 96 Def / 176 Spd / 42 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Psychic
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Skarm/Bliss counter. Focus Punch will do at least 50% to Blissey. It can survive 1 HP Flying from a dragon danced gyarados at max damage without +nature and whack back with thunderbolt.

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 6 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Counter
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Rapid Spin

Tyranitar's counter, general damager, rapid spinner. Earthquake KOs lots of stuff, and since it is a spinner, I gave it HP Ghost to KO ghost types that are likely to switch in when they think I'm going to spin.


Suicune @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 240 HP / 234 Def / 36 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Surf

Self explanatory...

Sceptile (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 6 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Endeavor
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Leaf Blade
- Substitute

Nice to surprise people with. A fast endeavor never hurt anyone.

 

[Lion Heart]

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Not funny

Octillery (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Suction Cups
EVs: 178 Atk / 168 Def / 164 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Fire Blast
- Rock Blast
- Surf
- Thunder Wave
Seems okay, but you have so much Atk EV's for one move, so maybe replace something with another physical attack

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 164 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd / 88 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave

EVs set to OHKO Dugtrio in 1 hit with Ice Beam.
Soundproof pokemon ruin Heal Bell man

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 96 Def / 176 Spd / 42 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Fire Punch/Torment
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Focus Punch will do at least 50% to Blissey. It can survive 1 HP Flying from a dragon danced gyarados at max damage and whack back with thunderbolt.
I suggested Torment, because what's he going to do to Ice Beam Blissey?

Claydol @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 136 HP / 92 Atk / 118 Def / 4 Spd / 160 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball

Earthquake 2HKOs Tyranitar, and since it is configured like that, shadow ball also 2HKOs Gengar. It is likely to switch in when it thinks I'm going to spin.
It's all good

Medicham (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Pure Power
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Fake Out
- Hi Jump Kick/Brick Break
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball
Never know when 90% will miss.

Sceptile (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 6 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Endeavor
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Leaf Blade
- Substitute
You whinged about my last suggestions, but I guess this is okay

...lol for rating again?
WHERE IS EVERYONE ELSE!?

 

[Phlemingo]

Originally Posted by Phlemingo
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Not funny

Octillery (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Suction Cups
EVs: 178 Atk / 168 Def / 164 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Fire Blast
- Rock Blast
- Surf
- Thunder Wave
Seems okay, but you have so much Atk EV's for one move, so maybe replace something with another physical attack
Not much movepool in physical, but Rock Blast rocks, so I think I'll keep it still. Put Sludge Bomb over thunder wave. I don't recall ever using it on him.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 164 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd / 88 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave

EVs set to OHKO Dugtrio in 1 hit with Ice Beam.
Soundproof pokemon ruin Heal Bell man
How could I forget. Changed.

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 96 Def / 176 Spd / 42 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Fire Punch/Torment
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Focus Punch will do at least 50% to Blissey. It can survive 1 HP Flying from a dragon danced gyarados at max damage and whack back with thunderbolt.
I suggested Torment, because what's he going to do to Ice Beam Blissey?
I'll play switch games and prediction games with that Blissey with Medicham, and to a lesser extent the rest of my team. I like a fast OHKO for forry and scizor. Chances are he'll end up last, then I can take my time. Don't forget endeavour. I'll also be careful to check whether he has tyranitar before subbing to 1.

Claydol @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 136 HP / 92 Atk / 118 Def / 4 Spd / 160 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball

Earthquake 2HKOs Tyranitar, and since it is configured like that, shadow ball also 2HKOs Gengar. It is likely to switch in when it thinks I'm going to spin.
It's all good

Medicham (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Pure Power
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Fake Out
- Hi Jump Kick/Brick Break
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball
Never know when 90% will miss.
On the contrary, 10 more base damage, with STAB, it is 15. Can do quite some difference there. If it misses... too bad for me.

Sceptile (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 6 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Endeavor
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Leaf Blade
- Substitute
You whinged about my last suggestions, but I guess this is okay...
Lol... if it is leech seed, I should have leftovers, but the Petaya works wonders.

 

[SSJ PIKACHU 4 gokuVegita]

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[Lion Heart]

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Gee your useful eh buddy?

Seems like it could be a while before you'll take Blissey out, unless they let it get HJK'd..

And Rock blast does rule, and Octy has a real w1ck3d movepool, so coming up with something else if SLudge Bomb doesn't cut it should be easy enough.

He might want a Quick Claw though.

 

[husk1442]

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Octillery (M) @ Leftovers quick claw <--Unless you are morally against it
Trait: Suction Cups
EVs: 178 Atk / 168 Def / 164 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Fire Blast
- Rock Blast
- Surf
- Sludge Bomb

Takes cares of all spikers and ninjask. A nice opener.
You wanna switch grass into me? Eat Sludge Bomb.

Only if you are good at predicting
Put the 168 in Def into Special Def since you only have weaknesses to special types


Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 164 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd / 88 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave

Standard. EVs set to OHKO Dugtrio in 1 hit with Ice Beam.


Doesn't K.O Minimum Special Defense Dugtrio

Minimum Damage 77%
Average Damage 84%
Maximum Damage 90%

Gets close but doesn't




With no special defense EV's Alakazam's Psychic does about 20%



Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 96 Def / 176 Spd / 42 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Fire Punch
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Skarm/Bliss counter. Focus Punch will do at least 50% to Blissey. It can survive 1 HP Flying from a dragon danced gyarados at max damage and whack back with thunderbolt.

Max damage Hp flying with DD would K.O. Gengar. Put 104 into defense
take the evs out of Atk


Claydol @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 136 HP / 92 Atk / 118 Def / 4 Spd / 160 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball

Tyranitar's counter, general damager, rapid spinner. Earthquake 2HKOs Tyranitar, and since it is configured like that, shadow ball also 2HKOs Gengar. It is likely to switch in when it thinks I'm going to spin.

Doesn't counter boahtar.
And doesn't 2 hit K.O. a
T-tar on Minimum defense :
Minimum Damage 32%
Average Damage 35%
Maximum Damage 38%

by ur earthquake





Medicham (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Pure Power
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Fake Out
- Hi Jump Kick
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball

OMG RAW POWER.

Very easy to predict since three of its moves have a type immune to them

Sceptile (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 6 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Endeavor
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Leaf Blade
- Substitute

Nice to surprise people with.
It has no defense EV's with a 166 def and 206 SpDef it isn't going to survive much. Which eliminates the Petaya Berry and Endeavor. If you
plan on subbing down to low health its a risky plan, as double hitting moves will K.O. you on the last sub.

 

[Phlemingo]

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Octillery (M) @ Leftovers quick claw <--Unless you are morally against it
Trait: Suction Cups
EVs: 178 Atk / 168 Def / 164 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Fire Blast
- Rock Blast
- Surf
- Sludge Bomb

Takes cares of all spikers and ninjask. A nice opener.
You wanna switch grass into me? Eat Sludge Bomb.

Only if you are good at predicting
Put the 168 in Def into Special Def since you only have weaknesses to special types
Precisely why I do not put it in sp def. I'll die to sp moves anyway, so I'd rather put it in defense and survive something I might usually not be able to. It's like pumping Ninjask full of defense evs to take a rock slide. Gave it quick claw.


Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 164 HP / 252 Def / 6 Spd / 88 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave

Standard. EVs set to OHKO Dugtrio in 1 hit with Ice Beam.


Doesn't K.O Minimum Special Defense Dugtrio

Minimum Damage 77%
Average Damage 84%
Maximum Damage 90%

Gets close but doesn't
You're right. Mistake on my part in damage calculator.




With no special defense EV's Alakazam's Psychic does about 20%
That's nothing...


Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 96 Def / 176 Spd / 42 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Fire Punch
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Skarm/Bliss counter. Focus Punch will do at least 50% to Blissey. It can survive 1 HP Flying from a dragon danced gyarados at max damage and whack back with thunderbolt.

Max damage Hp flying with DD would K.O. Gengar. Put 104 into defense
take the evs out of Atk
No. It would not. Most people use jolly gyarados to outrun jolteon and aero after 1 dd. It will not ohko gengar at max damage. Attack has enough power to 2hko blissey with focus punch. I can't remove it.


Claydol @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 136 HP / 92 Atk / 118 Def / 4 Spd / 160 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball

Tyranitar's counter, general damager, rapid spinner. Earthquake 2HKOs Tyranitar, and since it is configured like that, shadow ball also 2HKOs Gengar. It is likely to switch in when it thinks I'm going to spin.

Doesn't counter boahtar.
And doesn't 2 hit K.O. a
T-tar on Minimum defense :
Minimum Damage 32%
Average Damage 35%
Maximum Damage 38%

by ur earthquake

It does. I tested in NB. Unless it's 252 hp tar, in which case I have changed the evs. Coming to boahtar, any good suggestions? I need a counter.


Medicham (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Pure Power
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Fake Out
- Hi Jump Kick
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball

OMG RAW POWER.

Very easy to predict since three of its moves have a type immune to them
Very easy to outpredict. Their ghost type would be gone very fast. I usually switch it into something like Blissey, out pops Dusclops, Dusclops dies to shadow ball.

Sceptile (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 6 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Endeavor
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Leaf Blade
- Substitute

Nice to surprise people with.
It has no defense EV's with a 166 def and 206 SpDef it isn't going to survive much. That's what substitute is for. Which eliminates the Petaya Berry and Endeavor. If you
plan on subbing down to low health its a risky plan, as double hitting moves will K.O. you on the last sub. Prediction. I do that alot. Anyway, I see something with Rock Blast/Bonemerang and I scoot out of there. What other double hitting moves are used? Also, I'll switch about awhile before using Sceptile to see if my opponent has Tyranitar. (sand stream)
If they do, on my third sub, I'll leaf blade. It'll either ko tyranitar when it switches out, or whack it heavily. Thereafter petaya and overgrow will activate. w00t.

Boahtar counters please?

EDIT: I've added in triple kick Hitmontop. I could use other stuff like Suicune or Forretress, but I don't want to replace other members, and choice band Hitmontop isn't that bad, and can take on medicham's place. It has mach punch, which > fake out on medicham, and also relies on prediction to ohko ghost types. Thunder Wave will be needed to assist it, since it is comparatively slower. Any better suggestion, tell me please.

 

[marillmonster2000]

Well, I Just Have One Thing To Say To This: -_-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

 

[Phlemingo]

Well, I Just Have One Thing To Say To This: -_-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

In case you didn't know, this is a movesets sub forum, where people give extra thought to movesets, and not fire blast, flamethrower, fire spin ember ****.

 

[husk1442]

Ur right about the Clydol/T-tar thing I forgot Claydol had stab on EQ....

Boahtar counter: Swampert

I use Hitmontop tho....

 

[Drayano]

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Octillery (M) @ Quick Claw
Trait: Suction Cups
EVs: 178 Atk / 176 Def / 156 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Fire Blast
- Rock Blast
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Surf

Takes cares of all spikers and ninjask. A nice opener.
You wanna switch Blissey? Suffer the consequences! Not a definite kill, but some heavy damage nonetheless.

Good Blissey surprise I'd say. Why Quick Claw?

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 6 Spd / 252 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave

Standard. EVs set so the average damage by Ice Beam to Dugtrio with minimum sp def is 211, its hp with no evs.

Sure the loss in HP EVs is worth it?

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 96 Def / 176 Spd / 42 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Fire Punch
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Skarm/Bliss counter. Focus Punch will do at least 50% to Blissey. It can survive 1 HP Flying from a dragon danced gyarados at max damage without +nature and whack back with thunderbolt.

Fine, but I always thought the standard EV setup was 240 Atk / 252 Spd / 18 SAtk and Hasty Nature.

Claydol @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 94 HP / 240 Atk / 4 Spd / 172 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball

Tyranitar's counter, general damager, rapid spinner. Earthquake 2HKOs Tyranitar, and since it is configured like that, shadow ball also 2HKOs Gengar. It is likely to switch in when it thinks I'm going to spin.

Good. Most people would expect you to Ice Beam, so yeah.

Hitmontop (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Mach Punch
- Triple Kick
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Ghost]

Heavy prediction! Switch into normal types, use shadow ball. Opponent (if skilled and not aware of your skill) will switch into ghost. Boahtar = Dead from this.

Never used Hitmontop.

Sceptile (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 6 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Endeavor
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Leaf Blade
- Substitute

Nice to surprise people with. A fast endeavor never hurt anyone.

Seen this on a battle log before I think, and it's a cunning trick *claps*

It's a very good team, I'd say 9/10.

EDIT: Whoopsy, suggested you to have two hidden powers. *edits*

 

[Lion Heart]

Quick Claw is there as otherwise Octillery gets 2HKO'd by anything and everything, as he is to weak and to slow.

Quick Claw might let him do something though.

 

[Phlemingo]

Blissey - It has so much HPs anyway. It does need sp attk evs to do decent damage with ice beam to stuff that it isn't super effective against.
Gengar - The speed evs is configured so it outruns stuff like tauros, dodrio. Things with max speed 328 with nature. If I give it too much speed, I won't be able to give it enough defense to survive the dos, and attack to kill the bliss.
Claydol - Swapped with Donphan, who does the job well with a hell lot more attack, without levitate though. I don't need him as a dd tar counter anymore, because...
Hitmontop - Swapped for Calmcune. Counters boahtar, agiligross. I must be careful to switch to gengar for when he explodes though.

 

[Lion Heart]

Sounds like your teams coming along well man keep it up.

 

[Shuckle]

if a pkmn must resort to qc, its not worth using at all. so make it without qc or dont make it at all. ;D and btw i hate calmcune.

 

[Phlemingo]

XD calmcune is wicked. But Octillery is nice... :(
I don't NEED qc to activate, it's just a nice bonus if it does :p

 

[klducks]

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Octillery (M) @ Quick Claw
Trait: Suction Cups
EVs: 178 Atk / 176 Def / 156 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Fire Blast
- Rock Blast
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Surf

Takes cares of all spikers and ninjask. A nice opener.
You wanna switch Blissey? Suffer the consequences! Not a definite kill, but some heavy damage nonetheless.

id rather have t wave somewhere then have qc and have leftovers....

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 6 Spd / 252 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave

Standard. EVs set so the average damage by Ice Beam to Dugtrio with minimum sp def is 211, its hp with no evs.

atleast have some hp... =\

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 Atk / 96 Def / 176 Spd / 42 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Fire Punch
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Skarm/Bliss counter. Focus Punch will do at least 50% to Blissey. It can survive 1 HP Flying from a dragon danced gyarados at max damage without +nature and whack back with thunderbolt.

id rather have a rash nature to have that extra nudge for f/tp... id rather have psychic, just in case they have weez/bliss

Claydol @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 94 HP / 240 Atk / 4 Spd / 172 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball

Tyranitar's counter, general damager, rapid spinner. Earthquake 2HKOs Tyranitar, and since it is configured like that, shadow ball also 2HKOs Gengar. It is likely to switch in when it thinks I'm going to spin.

id go w/ bold nature

Hitmontop (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Mach Punch
- Triple Kick
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Ghost]

Heavy prediction! Switch into normal types, use shadow ball. Opponent (if skilled and not aware of your skill) will switch into ghost. Boahtar = Dead from this.

id have atleast a little more speed

Sceptile (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 6 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Endeavor
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Leaf Blade
- Substitute

Nice to surprise people with. A fast endeavor never hurt anyone.

meh...

 

[Phlemingo]

I gave Gengar Psychic. Also, ducks, you quoted from the below team. The most updated team is at the top :O