Would you mind explaining to me exactly how I'm discussing or arguing that is causing this thread to move around in circles, because maybe it's just a symptom of going around in circles that I can't see that I'm going around in circles, but IMHO we are getting somewhere here, and I think that my response to your statement of having multiple manga, in which I voiced the idea of having a manga label, responds to your sentiment fully. If you feel I forgot to (or maybe you feel I am deliberately not?) address something, make that clear and I will not hesitate to respond to it as clearly as I possibly can. I don't like to think that I argue until the person presenting contrary ideas tires, though for all appearances often that's what happens... I have, in the past, admitted defeat over the course of discussions perhaps even longer than this one, after realizing that my ideas are indeed flawed, and I have done so to an extent that has left the people to whom I conceded intellectual defeat having the response, "Why did you bother to say all that?" (At first I did not realize why they would be surprised that I took the time to admit my wrongness, but then it occurred to me that most people, when faced with the realization that they have taken to defending an indefensible idea, simply ignore the thread of conversation or let go of their end of the discussion rather than responding to allow the idea to continue its progression through the minds of those who follow. People argue for the sake of defending their belief, and if they are forced out of that belief by an intelligent debater, then that belief is no longer theirs and they may feel free to begin to disregard it completely and immediately. I suppose I may at times be inhuman in my loyalty to concepts and ideas that borders on annoyance.) I have found this discussion relatively untaxing on my end because the idea I have presented is a very flexible one, and when presented with a compex situation, such as the need to account for multiple manga, this idea has been able to, in my humble opinion (I italicize that because you may disagree with this, but as of yet you have not responded directly to my last post, so I cannot assume that) grow and evolve (as I facilitate that growth) to work with manga-based fictions such that the possibly of categorization as "sci-fi" or "fantasy" is not invalidated. This said, I would ask for you reconsider your judgement of this discussion, or further explain it to me, though I will understand if you chose not to do so (frostweaver may have already done so, or perhaps he is just busy of course.) I love speaking and reading this language so it is not a trial for me to go to this lengthy extent defending my arguments, but others have no time or will to read the words of others and would perhaps better stand for the sudden and instantaneous acquisition of the ideas of another.
On the subject of what you suggested as another aspect of this idea: the categorization thread--the kind of categorization thread I discussed at Bulbagarden in the fanfic forum "ideas" topic over a month earlier as it was conceived of a discussion there but which received no response so I decided it might find appreciation here, might I add--would not reach its full potential unless a system of categorization, using labels I would say, could be fine-tuned and developed to an acceptable level. So far I have only seen positive responses to the idea of cliched plots, which was I will say related to the possible "plot" label, but other than that this discussion has only focused on people's difficulties with a few relatively unnecessary aspects of the categorization system (which concern/concerned genre and canon mainly), so I have no idea what people think of the vast majority of this, though I might assume by their lack of response that they do not think it worthy of direct response, either because (a) they think it would work and so find no need to dispute it and by their silence assume I will know they agree with its feasability, or (b) they do not care about, or (c) they do not understand it. The relevant paragraphs in which I discussed some of the possibly aspects of the categorization system can be found in the paragraph of my first post that started with "OK, on the..." onward.
Although I really would enjoy this kind of thing being put into effect I don't think things should be rushed--if a good system can be worked out, it could really be helpful. Something is better than nothing, but I think we'd have to look over all the fanfics of PC twice over if we started a thread using a simplified categorization system without developing this one first. Though anyone/everyone should feel free to think up and suggest their own system if they think the one I roughly came up with on the first post of this topic is inefficient to the extent that it would be a good idea to start over with a different one. (Though I might defend mine if I feel it would better serve the purpose of such a system.) :)
Sorry for the lengthiness and the wordiness, I can't explain why I do it without going into even more pages of words people won't want to care to read, but sometimes when I get into a certain mode my writing style subtly shifts, which would explain why that first paragraph is kind of... Well, you understand what I mean. In any case, I think what I've said makes sense, once you take the time to read it I mean. ;)
