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jombii

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  • Do you think they will retain the same set of characters? What role will Kukui play?

    I personally think Kahili will get the axe. Let's see more of her outside of the "oh another grand trial completionist who became E4 yeah" and more of who she is and everything. I really thought she is going to play a much bigger part since she was hinted at the demo.
     
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  • I feel Kahili was an unnecessary inclusion as well, and you also have to notice she was a former Island Challenge Champion who only got interest to return to Alola because of the league being established.

    If there's any member of the current Elite Four who I think could be dropped, I'd say it be her since we never really see her much outside of the league unlike Hala, Olivia and Acerola who we all met prior to them being in the Elite Four. And hey, the Indigo League did change Elite Four lineup between R/B/Y and G/S/C so it wouldn't hurt to try that formula again.
     

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    I have a weird feeling that, if they DO include Lillie in this game, she'll be the Champion. Don't ask me why, it was just something that popped into my head. I also feel like Hau will replace his grandfather if he's in the games.
     
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  • I have a weird feeling that, if they DO include Lillie in this game, she'll be the Champion. Don't ask me why, it was just something that popped into my head. I also feel like Hau will replace his grandfather if he's in the games.

    I would definitely be on board with Hau becoming a Kahuna, if not Elite Four.
     
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    But unfortunately Gf already said it's an alternative version, although I really wanted itto be a sequal
     

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  • I'm really thinking that Gyms will have been constructed on these sites meaning USM will have a fully functioning Pok?mon League.

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    Elite Four could stay the same, but it's likely that one or two of the members will be swapped out in place of new ones. As for the Gym Leaders, I'm hoping we get a mix of older and new characters, perhaps from the Battle Tree or ones we're already familiar with from Sun & Moon. Mina having a Fairy-type Gym for example would be awesome.
     

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  • I'm really thinking that Gyms will have been constructed on these sites meaning USM will have a fully functioning Pok?mon League.

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    Elite Four could stay the same, but it's likely that one or two of the members will be swapped out in place of new ones. As for the Gym Leaders, I'm hoping we get a mix of older and new characters, perhaps from the Battle Tree or ones we're already familiar with from Sun & Moon. Mina having a Fairy-type Gym for example would be awesome.
    Nice eye! Didn't even notice that there were that many construction sites xD.

    Maybe Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon will be alternate versions (aka third versions) of SM but whose events take place slightly after for whatever reason. Like how Emerald took place after Steven left opposed to RS which was before.
    In that case, they can do the gym thing (with Kukui's league being finished before the retold and changed events that happened in SM). If so then I see Hapu being our champion. She had all the attributes of a typical one too! We see her multiple times throughout our journey in SM. Not to mention that she is the final Kahuna and even challenges the league post game.
     
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  • I did see Joe's post with those pics of the "empty slots" which were brought up in a video by a YouTuber named Twintendo. Some of them look out-of-place but he did still bring up other possible empty areas to use, so I do recommend seeing the video to get the point of the theory.
     

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  • Some of my relevant thoughts from the "Trials vs. Gym" thread (I'm currently on a mobile interface, so some quotes from other users over there didn't transfer properly):

    I think that I would rather have Gyms; Trials are essentially the same thing, except that you don't get a sigil/token of accomplishment for the non-Grand Trials (the Z-Crystals don't count, since they are equivalent to Gyms' Technical Machine (TM) prizes, and they don't look like Badges), and the Totem Pok?mon are not under the direct ownership of the presiding Pok?mon Trainer (whereas a Gym Leader's Pok?mon would be under such ownership). So I guess Trials/Trial sites are "Gyms: with puzzles, with the Gym Leaders 'replaced, sort of' by a stat-boosted/augmented wild Pok?mon, mostly without a Badge, with Z-Crystals in place of TMs".. If one considers Trial Captains as Gym Leader analogues and Island Kahunas as the Elite 4 analogues, then League structure is also kind of changed - instead of "8 Gym Leaders, then 4 Elite Four members", the order is "1-2 Gym Leaders, then 1 Elite 4 member. Repeat that process 4 times.". It's a slightly interesting mix-up in terms of order, but I'd rather have Trial Gyms - the Pok?mon are directly under a Trainer's ownership, everyone doesn't just necessarily rip off Petalburg City Gym's mid-battle stat-boosting gimmick, and you get a symbol representing your fight (come to think of it, here it's weird how in Alola "Elite 4" give the "Badges" rather than the "Gym Leaders" XD). I like having Gyms mixed in with the overworld like Alola did, though. I also like Alola's Trial Captain order as a mix-up.

    Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Totem Pok?mon implementation in Trials means that we don't get a proper "Gym Leader battle theme" analogue? Apparently, "Vs. Totem Pok?mon" is just a remix of "Vs. Wild Pok?mon (Alola)"? If so, that's another reason I'd like Gyms or Trial Gyms, since we'd get a unique Gym Leader/Trial Captain battle theme like most, if not all, of the past regions have had.



    Interesting; under this perspective, that would make Alola seem underwhelming with only 7-11 "Gym Trainers" region-wide and only 4 Gym Leaders region-wide (and 4-5 "Elite 4" members (due to repeats), not including Champion/proto-Champion Kukui..?) All of the past regions at least have somewhere between 20-100 Gym Trainers region-wide, 8 Gym Leaders, and the 4 "Elite 4" members..

    Despite Alola technically having an actual "Elite 4" separate from the 4 Island Kahunas, I personally considered the Trial Captains as Gym Leader analogues, and the Island Kahunas as Elite 4 analogues.. The actual Alola Elite 4 was unnecessary, in my opinion, since 3 members were lazily rehashed, and most Leagues just have one League battle against each League member (sans Kanto and its Giovanni+rival shenanigans).
    Kahili is in an odd spot; without the other 3 rehashed Trainers, she seems to fall somewhere between Island Kahuna (although that would mess up the island numbering, unless you include the artificial island), Champion (Kahili fits due to being a former island challenge Champion, although I rather like Kukui referencing the Generation 1 Champion beta element of Professor Oak, plus the position ties in with him researching Pok?mon moves), and facility head/Frontier Brain level (maybe a good fit for Kahili, since she definitely has skill but her current placement is somewhat of an anomaly)..

    As for what I expect in Pok?mon Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, due to the alternate story thing, I feel like Trials will be retained from Pok?mon Sun/Moon anyway (hopefully with Stamps for the non-Grand Trials); maybe some Gyms will be present as a bonus.. I kind of hope that the unmanned Trial Site(s) (1 that was active with a Totem Pok?mon in SM, and 1 that is not active in SM but was used in the past, if I remember) will get used (maybe with Ryuki).. I feel that Trial Captain and Island Kahuna types will either be retained or mixed up. I hope that as many of the 18 currently-existing types can get used in some way (with consideration of Guzma as a type specialist who parallels the Trial Captains and Gym Leaders - as in, if he is still Team Skull's leader, his type should not conflict with the type of a Trial Captain or Island Kahuna). Somebody in the "Alola League" definitely needs to use the Ice type, since it went unused in SM.

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    I think that Trial Captains and Island Kahunas will be retained and rearranged from SM to US/UM. However, I do like everyone's characterization from SM (especially Mallow's <3), although Hau seems a bit too goody-goody from what I've seen of him. But like others have said, Hau somehow surpassing his grandfather Hala (and achieving his goal) would be neat (in spite of the alternate story thing).

    It really irks me that the actual Alola Elite 4 re-uses 2 Island Kahunas and 1 Trial Captain (even if Kukui is scrounging around trying to form a "League"..the island challenge trial hosts make good League members as they are) - and why in the world are Island Kahuna Nanu and/or Island Kahuna Hapu getting shafted of an Elite 4 spot thanks to Trial Captain Acerola, when Nanu and Hapu are clearly stronger than Acerola? It makes no sense at all..

    I feel like Kahili is a great character (although maybe too reminiscent of Winona), but her position should be either:
    -altered to the 5th Island Kahuna of Alola's artificial island,
    -retained as an Elite 4 member, provided that the 3 other "Elite 4" members are replaced with new people (otherwise, if the "Elite 4" is just going to repeat people and result in redundant fights, you might as well excise the Elite 4, thus leaving the 4 Island Kahunas as Elite 4 analogues)
    -act as proto-Champion/Champion in place of Kukui (my least preferred option, since I like Kukui as Champion)
    -converted to Kahili being the true facility head for the Battle Tree (so that someone can logically run the place when Red and Blue end their vacation in Alola and go back home to Kanto).

    Nevertheless, Kahili's golf course thing needs to be expanded/implemented properly (if she even is still associated with it in US/UM).

    I feel Kahili was an unnecessary inclusion as well, and you also have to notice she was a former Island Challenge Champion who only got interest to return to Alola because of the league being established.

    If there's any member of the current Elite Four who I think could be dropped, I'd say it be her since we never really see her much outside of the league unlike Hala, Olivia and Acerola who we all met prior to them being in the Elite Four. And hey, the Indigo League did change Elite Four lineup between R/B/Y and G/S/C so it wouldn't hurt to try that formula again.

    This stance seems surprising to me; if anything, I thought that Kahili is the one person who deserves that Elite 4 spot rather than just being dropped, since she's the only one who demonstrated enough skill and trounced everyone else, including her Elite 4 colleagues (or whoever was active as Trial Captains and Island Kahunas when she undertook her own island challenge in the past). She just needs to be fleshed out a bit more, in my opinion..

    I'm really thinking that Gyms will have been constructed on these sites meaning USM will have a fully functioning Pok?mon League.

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    Elite Four could stay the same, but it's likely that one or two of the members will be swapped out in place of new ones. As for the Gym Leaders, I'm hoping we get a mix of older and new characters, perhaps from the Battle Tree or ones we're already familiar with from Sun & Moon. Mina having a Fairy-type Gym for example would be awesome.
    Nice to finally see those purported empty Alola sites; they would indeed make great spots for Gyms or Trial-based Gyms.. It would be interesting to see Ilima and Mina switch types - however, I really want to see what were the original intentions for the type specialties of Ilima and Mina, since their roles being reversed makes too much sense...!

    Guzma being a Bug-type Trial Captain or Island Kahuna (or even Elite 4) would be interesting, as would Ryuki being a Dragon-type Alola League member.. I'm fond of Mallow representing the Grass type.. If still Champion/proto-Champion, Kukui should retain his type medley.
     
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    jombii

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  • and why in the world are Island Kahuna Nanu and/or Island Kahuna Hapu getting shafted of an Elite 4 spot thanks to Trial Captain Acerola, when Nanu and Hapu are clearly stronger than Acerola? It makes no sense at all..

    probably because Nanu doesn't really want the position (afaik, he though being the kahuna was tiresome) and Hapu was just recently instated as the island kahuna and would be disrespectful to Tapu Fini if she leaves.

    Kahili as the battle tree head is interesting, to say the least. She's qualified for the job and I would like to see more of her.
     

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    This time around, can we get a proper Victory Road, please? I know Vast Poni Canyon was kind of like a Victory Road, but it just wasn't the same.

    I want a real Victory Road. One with trainers who have claimed to have spent their entire lives training for this yet only have four Pokémon, one with a good ol' rival battle at the end, and, most importantly, one that's actually before the League.
     

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  • probably because Nanu doesn't really want the position (afaik, he though being the kahuna was tiresome) and Hapu was just recently instated as the island kahuna and would be disrespectful to Tapu Fini if she leaves.

    Kahili as the battle tree head is interesting, to say the least. She's qualified for the job and I would like to see more of her.

    Home is correct regarding Nanu. He declined the offer so that's why Acerola was there instead.

    Thanks to you two for the explanation! I haven't actually gotten to play through Pokémon Sun/Moonyet, so that clarification helps. Dang it, Nanu and Tapu Fini! Well, this revelation sheds a bit more light on things.. But geez, Tapu Fini, can't you give Hapu like 5 measly minutes to be thoroughly humiliated in battle again represent the pride of her island on the great summit of Alola's Mount Lanakila..? If Nanu doesn't want the job, then is Acerola getting primed to become a Kahuna or what..? (unless Acerola was just randomly available). At least Kahili serves as a suitable stand-in Trainer..

    This time around, can we get a proper Victory Road, please? I know Vast Poni Canyon was kind of like a Victory Road, but it just wasn't the same.

    I want a real Victory Road. One with trainers who have claimed to have spent their entire lives training for this yet only have four Pokémon, one with a good ol' rival battle at the end, and, most importantly, one that's actually before the League.

    ROFL at your remark about Victory Road's typical Pokémon Trainers.. Vast Poni Canyon serving as a substitute Victory Road is interesting, but it should at least be right before Mount Lanakila/Mount Lanakila's summit! So then what is between Vast Poni Canyon and Mount Lanakila? The Nebby subplot and some other routes, or what..?

    Also, I was going to say that Alola's "Pokémon League headquarters location" should have an actual in-game name like Indigo Plateau or Ever Grande City (the anime tends to provide suitable names when needed, too), although I suppose that "Mount Lanakila Summit/Peak" suffices for now, I guess..
     
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    jombii

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  • Well, Acerola was the island captain available to sub for Nanu. Sophocles was also a likewise new captain so he couldn't leave his post.
     
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  • Thanks to you two for the explanation! I haven't actually gotten to play through Pokémon Sun/Moonyet, so that clarification helps. Dang it, Nanu and Tapu Fini! Well, this revelation sheds a bit more light on things.. But geez, Tapu Fini, can't you give Hapu like 5 measly minutes to be thoroughly humiliated in battle again represent the pride of her island on the great summit of Alola's Mount Lanakila..? If Nanu doesn't want the job, then is Acerola getting primed to become a Kahuna or what..? (unless Acerola was just randomly available). At least Kahili serves as a suitable stand-in Trainer..

    Nanu is in his Kahuna position because he couldn't refuse to turn down Tapu Bulu's offer, since the Tapus are who choose the Kahunas.
     
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