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Strippers: Trash or respect?

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Powerserge

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  • Your mindset is more harmful and dangerous than the things you rally against.

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    Strippers are temptresses, plain and simple. Demand or not, they voluntarily decide to become a femme of temptation, who feeds the lust in others. It is no different to me than an arms dealer who sells to a man who has fantasies of spree killings. The arms dealer voluntarily decided to sell weapons, so is he not to blame for the distribution of them? Strippers and prostitutes are distributors of sexual desire, which is a base emotion that keeps men from accomplishing deeds for the betterment of society.
     

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  • Respect

    Regardless of their situation, their station, their life or their place in society; it takes courage to do that. You have to enjoy doing so, to do so voluntarily. It's just too judgmental to assert trashiness from someone's vocation...no matter what that may be.

    Personally I dislike it when people try to assert superiority based on vocation, people are people, no matter what your vocation. It's also not nice to be holier-than-thou at all, regardless of what your religious beliefs mandate of you.
     
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  • Good.

    Strippers are temptresses, plain and simple. Demand or not, they voluntarily decide to become a femme of temptation, who feeds the lust in others. It is no different to me than an arms dealer who sells to a man who has fantasies of spree killings. The arms dealer voluntarily decided to sell weapons, so is he not to blame for the distribution of them? Strippers and prostitutes are distributors of sexual desire, which is a base emotion that keeps men from accomplishing deeds for the betterment of society.

    So if you gave someone gum and they choked and died, you should be blamed since the gum came from you? That's the flaw in your argument. You don't blame someone who gives the service/item away, you blame the person who used their services.

    Strippers are not 'temptresses'. They don't go around tempting people, these people come to them. The blame falls(once again) on the person who went to them, not the other way around.

    Also:
    1. Not only men make society better.
    2. Not all people are trying to make society better.
    3. What people do on their downtime (which I'm guessing is when most people go to strip clubs) shouldn't matter if it isn't causing problems with the rest of their life.
     

    Powerserge

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  • "Giving someone gum" has no moral implications whatsoever. Selling guns and selling sex does. How absurd.

    My view is an unpopular one, but it is mine nonetheless.
     

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    Good.

    Strippers are temptresses, plain and simple. Demand or not, they voluntarily decide to become a femme of temptation, who feeds the lust in others. It is no different to me than an arms dealer who sells to a man who has fantasies of spree killings. The arms dealer voluntarily decided to sell weapons, so is he not to blame for the distribution of them? Strippers and prostitutes are distributors of sexual desire, which is a base emotion that keeps men from accomplishing deeds for the betterment of society.

    this entire post is really misogynistic.

    okay first, i wish to tell you that you've blown my mind. as much as i'd love to say it's in a good way... well, you know. secondly, please explain how sexual desire and sex in general "stops men from accomplishing deeds for the betterment of society". okay i'm sorry but if someone can't control their own sexual urges then that's their problem entirely.

    why are you blaming strippers for men's apparent lack of responsibility?

    do you realize that the term "strippers" includes men as well? i mean it's been that way since the 1970s. does that mean men are also "temptresses" keeping women from their responsibilities?

    please.
     
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  • I don't really care, to be honest - if people want to look silly and dance on poles and the like for money, then what do I care. It's an unusual kind of activity, but not anything that really irritates me to think of.
     

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    Good.

    Strippers are temptresses, plain and simple. Demand or not, they voluntarily decide to become a femme of temptation, who feeds the lust in others. It is no different to me than an arms dealer who sells to a man who has fantasies of spree killings. The arms dealer voluntarily decided to sell weapons, so is he not to blame for the distribution of them? Strippers and prostitutes are distributors of sexual desire, which is a base emotion that keeps men from accomplishing deeds for the betterment of society.
    Did you intentionally misunderstand what I said? Is there is a reason you are only picking and choosing to address one or two specific points rather than entire posts? It is very convenient that you failed to address the rest of my and Thursday's posts, yet it makes your argument look incredibly weak.

    The problem here isn't temptation - the problem here is you and your narrow mindset. There always have and always will be people who want sex and are willing to pay for it. There always have and always will be people willing to provide it. Making people feel ashamed and guilty for that will not stop it from happening. For example:

    1. Religious leaders preach abstinence and the dirtiness of lust and sex. Yet even without "femmes of temptress" in their presence, they will feel lust and act on it. They are so desperate that instead of finding a healthy outlet for their lust, they molest children. This has been happening for years. By your logic, they prey on children because the children, male and female, are seducers and seductresses.
    2. In certain Muslim countries, women are forced to cover up as much skin as possible to avoid "tempting" men. By your logic, that means there should be almost no sexual assault, because men aren't being "tempted" all the time. These are some of the countries with the highest rates of sexual assault and rape.
    This is what happens when you try to deny sexual desire. People will act regardless of whether there is "temptation." Humans will always feel desire, so it is up to individuals to have self-control and deal with it in a healthy way - the onus is on them, not the rest of the world. By your logic, any woman walking down the street in shorts in a "temptress." That is the road that leads to victim-blaming, which is gross and ignorant, so let's assume you're better than that. But there are many responsible outlets, like pornography - studies show that "the increasing availability of pornography appears to be associated with a decline in rape." I think porn is far preferable to rape, wouldn't you agree?


    Buying sex is different from buying a gun because you cannot load sex with bullets and use it to kill people. Sex is an action - a gun is a weapon. Buying sex from a sex worker in a safe, consensual framework literally does not hurt anybody. Your comparison makes no sense.


    I love your claim that society would be a better place if the poor menz weren't tempted all the time. Do you really think so lowly of men? What about women - do women never feel desire? Or are women just unable to contribute to "accomplishing deeds for the betterment of society"? You are also claiming that people (let's just say people) would do more if not for sexual desire. Prove it. Give examples of societies that had increased productivity specifically because nobody is experiencing desire. (Japan? That would be a lovely example, except that there is so little desire that nobody there is getting married or having kids. Oops.)

    Your view might be unpopular because it's sexist, illogical and baseless. I invite you to prove otherwise if you can back up your claims.

    ~Psychic
     
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    Powerserge

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  • Haha, I'm not here to argue. I am merely stating my views on the matter. I don't care how others feel about those views, I am merely allowing people to see another perspective, even if it does not appeal to them.

    In any case, I will always feel that sex is not as important and meaningful as most human beings think it is.
     

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    Haha, I'm not here to argue. I am merely stating my views on the matter. I don't care how others feel about those views, I am merely allowing people to see another perspective, even if it does not appeal to them.
    While I do like that you're willing to share an unpopular opinion in here (because most people are generally afraid to, and I don't like it much when threads are echo chambers), you did just post it in a section called "Discussions&Debates".....kinda have to expect people to argue against your view, and you should probably be prepared to defend your view.

    In any case, I will always feel that sex is not as important and meaningful as most human beings think it is.
    idk man, we kinda need it to make sure that the species continues on
     

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    Haha, I'm not here to argue. I am merely stating my views on the matter. I don't care how others feel about those views, I am merely allowing people to see another perspective, even if it does not appeal to them.

    In any case, I will always feel that sex is not as important and meaningful as most human beings think it is.

    I do find that last sentence rather interesting given the severity of your previous posts.
     

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    Haha, I'm not here to argue. I am merely stating my views on the matter. I don't care how others feel about those views, I am merely allowing people to see another perspective, even if it does not appeal to them.

    In any case, I will always feel that sex is not as important and meaningful as most human beings think it is.
    Right, you're "not here to argue" except for when you were arguing before lmao. It's a shame that you're running away once someone makes a point you can't refute. Considering you have no defense against any of my points, it seems you're admitting that your views are indeed sexist, illogical and baseless. Good for you.

    I love your claim that you don't consider sex to be important after unironically using the terms "temptress" and "femme of temptation" and comparing buying sex to buying killing machines. For someone who doesn't consider sex "important," you sure are obsessed with demonizing lust and sex workers. There are plenty of people in this thread who don't think sex is a big deal, but you are clearly not one of them.

    ~Psychic
     
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    Good.

    Strippers are temptresses, plain and simple. Demand or not, they voluntarily decide to become a femme of temptation, who feeds the lust in others. It is no different to me than an arms dealer who sells to a man who has fantasies of spree killings. The arms dealer voluntarily decided to sell weapons, so is he not to blame for the distribution of them? Strippers and prostitutes are distributors of sexual desire, which is a base emotion that keeps men from accomplishing deeds for the betterment of society.

    supply and demand plays a huge role in this particular community. usually people only choose to be fed by these "femmes of temptation" when they themselves are hungry. the arms dealer, much like the stripper has a j o b. people have jobs at businesses and businesses only stay open if the business has these really cool things called "customers". customers, also known as consumers, buy products. the "product" in this case would be pleasure. hmm, i'm sensing a reoccurring theme of supply and demand.

    i'd imagine people of the age to be at a place with strippers would be able to control themselves but your paragraph seems to state otherwise. i'll stop here before my blood pressure goes up.
     

    Powerserge

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  • While I do like that you're willing to share an unpopular opinion in here (because most people are generally afraid to, and I don't like it much when threads are echo chambers), you did just post it in a section called "Discussions&Debates".....kinda have to expect people to argue against your view, and you should probably be prepared to defend your view.

    I'm going with the "Discussion" side of things. I'd just rather not argue with people who have to resort to name-calling to try and make a point. Definitely not my idea of an argument. Clarifying my meaning is one thing, but "defending" myself from another person's inability to accept what I have to say is another.
     
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  • Let's remember we need to be actually discussing/disseminating the topic at hand and not just state that we're not going to do those things, lol. Carry on.
     
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