Oh dear mother of god, are you serious? Do you really think doing nothing at all is better?
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
It is our government's job to help us out and it is our government's job to help the economy in which IT destroyed.
Uh, no, actually it's not the government's job. Show me where in the Constitution the government has to "help out" failed businesses and spend trillions of dollars. I dare you. I've read and studied our Constitution, the supreme law of the land, for years and I can tell you that the limits on government are very clear in the Constitution. It's not nor has it ever been the government's job to control the economy. The government was intended to have very little influence regarding money. The government's job when it comes to the economy is to coin money, set tax rates, and set commerce between the states and foreign nations. No, it's not our government's job to strangle us with debt, central planning, and welfare statism. Look up a term called "enumerated powers." Then look up the Tenth Amendment. The powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution belong to the states and the people.
In the Depression, Hoover believed that people shouldn't get help from the government. We have to tighten our belts and it will fix itself. Well guess what, that made to economy worse. Ten-fold. Hoover is now down as one of the worst presidents because of that very thing.
Correction- Hoover increased government spending for public works projects like the Hoover Dam because he, like Obama, thought it would stimulate the economy and create jobs. He also, like Obama, went after free trade and worsened our economy by supporting protectionist policies and high tariffs. Take a look at the Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act. Was that a hands off approach to the economy? Hoover should have stood by the legacy of Coolidge and instead went the progressive route and it screwed us in the long run and lost him the presidency.
And it wasn't until someone, would you look at that, who actually DID something which fixed the economy.
Like... Like what? What did FDR do to *fix* the economy? The New Deal was a failure. All of FDR's government spending, tax hikes, business regulations, wealth redistribution, central planning, and welfare programs failed to stimulate the economy or recover our industrial base. Do you have ANY idea how long FDR was president? He was the only president to get four terms. Four. You'd think if his policies were such a success that the economy would have done well under him. It didn't. Unless your idea of fixing the economy is increasing food stamps and lines at unemployment, he didn't fix anything. In fact it's generally understood now that FDR did even more damage to the economy than Hoover and in fact prolonged the Great Depression. The United States endured many depressions and recessions before the Great Depression and yet always managed to get out of them over time. FDR's decades of rule did nothing to help us and in fact hurt us. The reason FDR gets credit for "fixing" us is because of the sentimental connection people have to his era because he kept the faith, and because he was president during WWII which is what really ended the Great Depression. WWII saved us, not the government. WWII forced us to go back to our industrial base. Tanks and Planes don't build themselves. But no, someone "doing something" really did nothing but hurt us.
Doing nothing is the worst thing to possibly do.
History says otherwise. When left to itself the economy corrects and returns to normal. Any free economy should experience downturns every now and then. The crisis we have now wouldn't have happened if the government minded its own business and didn't try its hand at social engineering.
And this stimulus isn't all about giving us money. It is also about tax cuts. Which is when I last checked, good. The concept of actually doing something to help people is such a strange and scary thought but we have to do it! Even if it means...-tear- helping middle class families.
That's a lie. The left has been saying that a third of the package goes towards taxcuts. However the budget analysis says otherwise. $100 billion is government spending because it's giving government handouts to people that don't pay taxes; that's a welfare check, not a taxcut. Any real tax cuts would only be around 22% of the final package. You know what the rest of the more than $600 billion remaining will go towards? The federal government! It's a SPENDING BILL! I'm middle class and this "stimulus" isn't going to help me at all. It doesn't help me when Congress is giving billions of dollars to failed businesses that can't push their products to make a profit, is printing money to fund itself, and is giving tax cuts to people that don't pay taxes. Propping up failure isn't a form of success, never has been, and never will be.
Now I admit, this stimulus package is not the best. But it is better than nothing.
No it's not. Spending nothing would be better than wasting money we don't have. You know what could have been done with this money? We could have paid off every American's mortgage instead of giving it to water parks. We could have given every American $5,000 dollars each, direct stimulus, which would actually make a difference in the lives of Americans unlike giving the money to bureaucracies. Are we doing any of that? No, instead we're trusting the same government that bankrupted social security to raise our economy from the ashes like a phoenix. Guess what- much of the money isn't even going to take effect for two to three years. Just in time for the next elections. Yay. The Democrats stuffed this thing full of pork to hold on to their constituencies. In fact it almost cost us trading partners because of the "buy American" portions influenced by big labor. Europe threatened us with a trading war. This is really different from Hoover though, right?
Doing nothing will put us in a depression.
No it won't. Bad fiscal policy, high taxes, the wefare state, protectionism, overregulation of business, redistributing wealth, punishing success, and devaluing our currency will.
Stimulus plans helps the economy, which we both already establish.
Yes, they do, when there's actual stimulus involved. Paying a guy to dig a hole and paying another guy to fill in that hole might be job making in the eyes of liberals, but in the long run those are temporary jobs which will have no impact on our situation and will only prolong our problems. This idea that calling something a stimulus plan cuts off debate and requires people to give up their common sense and just accept that it has to be passed is absurd. People are supporting this package and they don't even know why. What is being stimulated? What jobs are going to be made from this? Honest to God- More than 800 billion dollars for WHAT? Almost 1600 pages, and no one has read it! But we're all just supposed to take Obama's word, Nancy Pelosi's word, and Harry Reid's word that we need this? We're supposed to just accept that all these people in Congress voted for this thing without even reading it? You know, the economy isn't great, but I think the American people are patient enough to wait to see what exactly it is their representatives are voting for. I'm willing to bet there'd be little to no support from the people for this spending package if they knew the details.
My point is, this plan is good, we should support it because it will help! It is the governments job to provide welfare, and help. If they don't, welcome back Black Tuesday. And news flash, we are already in a trillion dollars of debt. Another trillion wont really effect us right now. We are still paying off the first and it will take awhile to do that. Something is better than nothing, this plan is something, a good (but not the best) something. It will put money into our economy, helping it to recover. It will create tons of jobs which is another plus.
No, the government's job isn't to provide welfare; it's to promote the general welfare. The best way to do that is to create favorable business environments and decrease taxes, not control our wallets, spend more money, and ruin our capitalist system. Black Tuesday? Fear is a powerful motivator indeed, but facts are too. So instead of realizing that trillions in debt is wrong and trying to pay it off, you'd rather just add to it? Yeah, don't stop the bleeding, make the wound bigger. In this case, less is more. No jobs will be made. This is so reckless. It's been tried before in America, in Japan, and darn near every part of the world and it doesn't work; it only hurts us.
