But only to touch on this for a second again... GF / TPCI are far more meta aware than people give them credit for. That's why they use doubles for tourneys. That's why they set certain megas up the way they did. That's why to them the megas aren't broken. Because they're not, outside the one way of playing that makes them "broken". Watch the world championships. Does anything there look "broken"? Did the two competitors in the finals have copy paste teams with 4/6 Pokemon in common? Why was there no mega mawile or gengar in that final match? (If there was actually a technical reason, I missed it and apologize for this poorly researched point) There was a mega lucario ... Which ... Died on the first turn without getting a KO, but a Pachirisu that happened to work very well with the winner's team, enough to greatly aid him in winning both matches. But guess who doesn't like doublesssss
Not to drag this on, but
stop employing anecdotal evidence because it is *still* a fallacy. It's the most frustrating thing in any argument no matter the topic. No one wants to engage in discourse with people who refuse to argue in a logically sound manner.
Do you reject the new way to play the game, and instead stick with the way you've played for longer and are more used to, even if it's broken at it's core, and fight against Game Freak- picking apart new elements of each new title, and deciding which are fair and which are not for your way of plying then Gabriel OR. Do you adapt to this new type of gameplay with more balance and variety?
No seriously, stop with these
totally fallacious arguments. I'm getting tired of linking to these logical fallacies.
It's a black-or-white fallacy because you frame tiering itself as "failing to adapt" or "adapting to a new type of gameplay," with heavy bias against the former built into the comparison. Pokemon are banned
when adaptation is impossible. Maybe you can point out obscure counters like Sableye for Mega Kanga, but guess what? You only have six team slots. You can't run an obscure counter for everything. Good luck with Mega Gengar. And Geomancy Xerneas. I could keep going. This is an argument that comes up every freaking time something is banned (I remember seeing it during gen4 suspect tests), but it still sucks and doesn't actually engage the suspects at all.
You can try to frame bans as "failure to adapt" because Smogon "wants to try to legislate the game to be like what they're already used to," but lucky us! That's a strawman! You can't misrepresent the purpose of tiering, attack that purpose as flawed, and then conclude that Smogon's tiers/bans are rubbish. go ahead, prove that the point of bans is to promote what people are used to. I'll bet you can't!
Because it's total baloney. I have no idea what compels you to repeatedly make this totally unsupported claim. You failure to adapt argument is just as applicable to beasts like Kyogre and Xerneas as it is to mega evolutions, which is a pretty good indicator that it might have a few holes.
Hopefully I don't have to explain the various loaded questions you've been lobbing our way!!!!
So yeah, to echo Aero's frustration, it's really annoying arguing in circles with people who seem to have no idea how to argue logically. Want to have an argument about the merits of Smogon's tiering system? Count me in.
But you can't come into it with assumptions like "they're crybabies who don't want to adapt" or "they just want to stick with what they're used to" or "Smogon just wants to dictate to people how they should play" because
these assumptions are logically hollow (and false...x_x) and eliminate the possibility for productive debate. Maybe try to understand where your opponents are coming from before you dismiss and attack them. :/
And on that note, FREE MEGA SABLEYE
