Which Pokémon do you think will be included in the games, which do you want to see, and/or which would you want omitted?

[ichigomon]

With the release of Sword & Shield, Gamefreak has made it the norm that Pokemon games going forward won't be containing every Pokemon in existence within the game's data. This is somewhat of a bummer but I think the controversy surrounding it during the leadup to Sword & Shield was pretty overblown. Anyways, I have a list of Pokemon confirmed to be in the game via trailers and announcements that I found on imore.com, and I'll list them here. If you want to look at the full article, you can find it here: https://www.imore.com/pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-all-confirmed-pokemon-so-far

Old Pokemon returning this generation:
Altaria
Arcanine
Azumarill
Bagon
Beartic
Blissey
Bounsweet
Breloom
Cacnea
Cacturn
Clawitzer
Chansey
Chewtle
Clauncher
Clawitzer
Cloyster
Coalossal
Combee
Cryogonal
Cubchoo
Cufant
Deerling
Donphan
Dragonair
Dragonite
Drifblim
Drifloon
Drowzee
Dunsparce
Eevee
Eiscue
Elektross
Flaaffy
Flabébé
Fletchinder
Fletchling
Floette
Florges
Gallade
Gardevoir
Gastly
Gengar
Girafarig
Gogoat
Golduck
Goodra
Goomy
Growlithe
Gyarados
Happiny
Hariyama
Hatterene
Haunter
Hippowdon
Hisuian Zoroark
Hoppip
Honchkrow
Houndoom
Houndour
Hydreigon
Jumpluff
Komala
Larvitar
Lilligant
Lucario
Lumineon
Luxio
Luxray
Magikarp
Magnemite
Magneton
Magnezone
Makuhita
Mareanie
Mareep
Marill
Medicham
Meowth
Misdreavus
Mismagius
Mudbray
Murkrow
Noibat
Noivern
Oricorio
Pacharisiu
Pelipper
Persian
Petilil
Pichu
Pineco
Pinurchin
Pikachu
Polteageist
Psyduck
Pupitar
Raichu
Riolu
Rockruff
Rotom
Salamence
Sawsbuck
Seviper
Scizor
Scyther
Shellder
Sinistea
Skiddo
Skiploom
Slaking
Slakoth
Slowbro
Slowpoke
Slowking
Sneasel
Snorunt
Staraptor
Staravia
Starly
Steenee
Stonjourner
Sudowoodo
Sunflora
Swablu
Sylveon
Talonflame
Tropius
Tsareena
Tyranitar
Venonant
Vespiquen
Vigoroth
Wingull
Wooper (Paldean)
Zangoose
Zorua

Anyone on this list you're particularly excited to see return? Anyone not on this list that you hope does or doesn't make it in?

I'll start off by saying I'm excited to see Hisuian Zoroark make a return for a more traditional Pokemon experience, as it became one of my favorite Pokemon not too long after it was first revealed. I think using it in more traditional battles will be really interesting, especially if it gets Imposter as its ability with its unique typing. On the other hand, I actually hope Nincada doesn't return, because Shedinja would be absolutely broken with the new teratypes mechanic. I mentioned this in another thread about terastallizing, but if I terastallize my Shedinja into Electric type and give it an air balloon, there's no way to damage it without poison or leech seed, and that sounds like a headache for competitive players. I actually think this Shedinja example is a good case of why limiting the returning Pokemon in each generation can be a positive with the introduction of all of these new generation-specific gimmicks.

 

[ReKoil]

I don't recall seeing Oricorio in the trailers, but I might've missed it.

I'm happy to see Oricorio and the entire Florges line return.
I'm not particularly happy at the Elektross line's return, but oh well... can't have everything.

Personally, I just want to see those omitted from Sword/Shield to return, and others omitted instead.

 

[Sweet Serenity]

Anyone on this list you're particularly excited to see return? Anyone not on this list that you hope does or doesn't make it in?

I wish that every Pokémon was featured in the game like they were before Pokémon moved to the Nintendo Switch. Nonetheless, I am happy to see Mismagius return, as it is one of my favorite Pokémon. This list has me worried though because I don't see Starmie or Reshiram on this list, one of which is my all-time favorite Pokémon and the other my all-time favorite legendary Pokémon. I also want the starters that weren't featured in Pokémon Sword and Shield to return as well.

I'll start off by saying I'm excited to see Hisuian Zoroark make a return for a more traditional Pokemon experience, as it became one of my favorite Pokemon not too long after it was first revealed. I think using it in more traditional battles will be really interesting, especially if it gets Imposter as its ability with its unique typing. On the other hand, I actually hope Nincada doesn't return, because Shedinja would be absolutely broken with the new teratypes mechanic. I mentioned this in another thread about terastallizing, but if I terastallize my Shedinja into Electric type and give it an air balloon, there's no way to damage it without poison or leech seed, and that sounds like a headache for competitive players. I actually think this Shedinja example is a good case of why limiting the returning Pokemon in each generation can be a positive with the introduction of all of these new generation-specific gimmicks.

About Shedinja, as I said before in that other thread, you can damage an Electric-type Air Balloon Shedinja with Poison (Toxic, Toxic Spikes), Burn (Will-o-Wisp), Stealth Rock, Spikes, Leech Seed, confusion damage, Curse when used by a Ghost-type Pokémon, the ability Mold Breaker and its variants, moves that ignore abilities such as Moongeist Beam, Sunsteel Strike (and possibly more assuming that Game Freak created such new moves for the new generation), weather conditions such as Sandstorm and Hail, moves that change abilities such as Entrainment and then attacking it directly, abilities that do residual/chip damage on contact when attacked such as Rough Skin, Iron Barbs, and so on, items that do the same thing such as Rocky Helmet, and the list goes on. Players also can't say that having these options are difficult because every good team can do most of these things. Simply put, if a player's team doesn't do anything I listed, he or she has to work on his or her team-building skills, period. With so many ways to defeat it, it makes no sense to waste Terastalization on it when you could have used it on something more useful and longer lasting.

I can definitely see Shedinja changing the way the meta looks for the next generation though because, when completely unprepared, this Shednija could be a problem. Still, I definitely don't see it making a lasting impact, as higher level players that aren't casual would already have outs for it, trust me. The VGC's play-style normally doesn't involve entry hazards compared to Singles, but with the existence of this new gimmick, I can definitely see VCG players using Stealth Rock more often, along with more Sandstorm teams. With that being said, I predict this being not much different to the troll gimmicks such as constantly boosting Evasion and passing the stat changes with Baton Pass, which could definitely catch unprepared players off-guard, but those with moves that ignore stat changes or never miss would have no problem beating it. I know I said this before, but I feel I have to say it again because many people in the competitive world are heavily debating this and I just wanted to share what makes the most logical sense. With that, I say let Shedinja be in the game so it could have its moment to shine. It's too unique of a creature to just ignore in my opinion.

 

[ichigomon]

Personally, I just want to see those omitted from Sword/Shield to return, and others omitted instead.

Definitely agree there. I need my Alolan Muk back. Also lots of starters from previous games were unavailable even though some got brought back later, and I think they should make every past starter at least present within the game.

 

[Northern Lapras]

I also would mostly like to see Pokémon that didn't make into Sword & Shield in there! I just want everyone to be able to have their favourites on the Switch 😊

Also, Lapras! I'm biased of course, but I feel Lapras have a proper Mediterranean vibe! I'm happy Chansey is returning, as well as Houndour, I've never managed to fit one in a team and I think they're fun!

 

[ichigomon]

I also would mostly like to see Pokémon that didn't make into Sword & Shield in there! I just want everyone to be able to have their favourites on the Switch 😊

Also, Lapras! I'm biased of course, but I feel Lapras have a proper Mediterranean vibe! I'm happy Chansey is returning, as well as Houndour, I've never managed to fit one in a team and I think they're fun!

Yes, I agree! Every Pokemon that didn't make it into Sword & Shield should make a return. I recently looked and by the time the final update was released, a good amount of the National Dex is present. It's actually about 74% of the total Pokemon in existence, so it'd be great to see the other 26% make their way back, even if it doesn't happen until later updates, similar to how Sword & Shield rolled things out.

 

[giradialkia]

Something that hasn't really been done since Johto is including Starter Pokémon from other generations. I remember facing Picnicker Gina south of Goldenrod and being blown away by a random girl using a Bulbasaur.
Then there's a scattering of trainers throughout Johto and Kanto who use the other Kanto starters.

Then you have Hoenn where absolutely nobody but you and Brendan/May use the starter Pokémon.

I don't know why but I'd love to encounter a random trainer using Johto or Unova starters as I explore Paldea.

 

[matthewjax]

Rip Furfrou. Been banished, never to return ig lol

 

[Northern Lapras]

Yes, I agree! Every Pokemon that didn't make it into Sword & Shield should make a return. I recently looked and by the time the final update was released, a good amount of the National Dex is present. It's actually about 74% of the total Pokemon in existence, so it'd be great to see the other 26% make their way back, even if it doesn't happen until later updates, similar to how Sword & Shield rolled things out.

Oh wow, I didn't realise that with the DLC it was about 74%! I wasn't bothered by the dex cut personally as I prefer Pokémon to like be chosen for the specific region because they make sense. I just want them all to be on the switch across the games as previous consoles are pretty expensive these days 😔 I do hope they do DLC again as well as I have really enjoyed the Sword ones!

I do find it hard with previous Pokémon being in sometimes too as I find it very difficult to not have a Lapras in my party and so on, but I do like to try and make a new team of all the new Pokémon!

 

[NipahRika]

I think we know this now thanks to the leak/leaker.

spoilers for the games!

https://twitter.com/Riddler_Khu/status/1578908396048158720

 

[Iceshadow3317]

Hey guys. Since it has been leaked, I figured I'd post the full list of returning pokemon. I have removed every Paldean Pokemon from this list, so you don't have to worry about being spoiled. This is confirmed by dataminers. There will be more pokemon returning in expansions much like with Sword and Shield. Some of this pokemon are not catchable in the wild, but you can transfer them once Home opens up for these games.

Spoiler is only for those who may not want to see every returning pokemon. Again, I've removed all the new pokemon from this list.

Spoiler:

Note: Only the Fancy Pattern Vivillon has been confirmed to return. No other pattern has been seen and is not in the data.

 

[Sapphirejas]

Spoiler:

Wait... Hoopa is returning?! OMG!

 

[Sweet Serenity]

Spoiler:

Wait... Hoopa is returning?! OMG!

When discussing potential spoilers, make sure to always use a spoiler tag.

 

[Iceshadow3317]

I do want to say that this. Nothing about new pokemon, but some that are returning.

Spoiler:

Event Pokemon such as Hoopa, may very well be catchable in the wild via special event when it comes to DLC. You could catch Keldeo in Crown Tundra. Deoxys in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Manaphy, Phione, Shaymin, Arceus, and Darkrai in Legends (Darkrai and Shaymin still requiring game files from other games) Victini was originally supposed to be catchable in SwSh or DLC, but was never found or removed.

I can almost guarantee that Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion and Genesect might become catchable. Well I can't guarantee it, but it matches with the themes too well.

 

[PageEmp]

I know there is an extremely high chance it'll be in anyway, but I hope Crobat is in the game. The Poison/Flying typing helps protection against all of Dark's weaknesses, which I need as the starter I plan to pick is going to be part Dark.

And so I checked Iceshadow3317's list of returning mons:

Spoiler:

Of course not. Although to be fair, I was planning to use Greavard's line and Flamigo in my team, both of which can counter Fighting mons and Bugs.