Your View of God

[twocows]

So basically churches and faiths are allowed to reject the words of the bible as they please?

Im sorry. But the Bible is made up of two books, not one. You can't follow some things from one and some things from other. You either follow all of one, all of the other, or all of both. And if you disregard one for another, then you can't start bringing up ideals that are a part of the one you disregarded.

Actually, you're wrong here. Read up on the New Covenant. It more or less voids a lot of the Old Testament fire and brimstone type stuff. There is a lot of stuff in Leviticus especially that people pretty much disregard nowadays, like never shaving your beard or never mixing meat and dairy.

As for the New Testament, the only solid reference to homosexuality is in here, where Paul names some laws from the Torah which are critical of homosexuality. However, what he says to start with is that as long as you're a good Christian and follow the word of Jesus, the laws from the Torah that he later talks about do not apply to you. Since Jesus didn't say anything direct in regards to homosexuality, it's perfectly possible to be a good Christian and a homosexual. That in itself is also telling; if it had been an issue that God thought important, surely his only son would have had something to say about it.

Just a thought from your friendly neighborhood atheist.

 

[Mr. X]

And perhaps Jesus never addressed that subject because it has already been addressed in the Old?

 

[Phantom1]

Actually, you're wrong here. Read up on the New Covenant. It more or less voids a lot of the Old Testament fire and brimstone type stuff. There is a lot of stuff in Leviticus especially that people pretty much disregard nowadays, like never shaving your beard or never mixing meat and dairy.

As for the New Testament, the only solid reference to homosexuality is in here, where Paul names some laws from the Torah which are critical of homosexuality. However, what he says to start with is that as long as you're a good Christian and follow the word of Jesus, the laws from the Torah that he later talks about do not apply to you. Since Jesus didn't say anything direct in regards to homosexuality, it's perfectly possible to be a good Christian and a homosexual. That in itself is also telling; if it had been an issue that God thought important, surely his only son would have had something to say about it.

Just a thought from your friendly neighborhood atheist.

You're friendly neighborhood atheist who needs to do more research.

Just because the New Testament says something in the Old is wrong, doesn't mean there are those that do not still call the Old Testament 'cannon'. In fact, the first five books of the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deut.) are still crucial and followed in Judaism.

In fact you have heard of Judaism right?

 

[TRIFORCE89]

You're friendly neighborhood atheist who needs to do more research.

Just because the New Testament says something in the Old is wrong, doesn't mean there are those that do not still call the Old Testament 'cannon'. In fact, the first five books of the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deut.) are still crucial and followed in Judaism.

In fact you have heard of Judaism right?

And you know Mr. X was talking about the Bible right? Meaning he wasn't referring to Judaism. So, twocows was correct in his statement.

 

[Phantom1]

However, I don't see how religious people can have a problem against women who lieth with each other. It doesn't mention them. Know what this means? God was male and he likes to watch lesbian sex It means that if you follow the bible and do not attempt to interpret its words for you own use then you should have nothing against lesbianism.

Noticed this as well... the world is run by men, who cares about women? That's why it's not mentioned... it's like an unwritten rule.

Also, that quote from the Catechism... way to be selective! Let me pull out my old one from high school;

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

 

[twocows]

And perhaps Jesus never addressed that subject because it has already been addressed in the Old?

Well, there was one point where he said some pretty nice things about a homosexual couple. Still: New Covenant. The word used in the text itself is "obsolete," which is exactly what the Old Covenant (and by extension, a whole lot of the Old Testament) became.

You're friendly neighborhood atheist who needs to do more research.

Just because the New Testament says something in the Old is wrong, doesn't mean there are those that do not still call the Old Testament 'cannon'. In fact, the first five books of the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deut.) are still crucial and followed in Judaism.

In fact you have heard of Judaism right?

See:

And you know Mr. X was talking about the Bible right? Meaning he wasn't referring to Judaism. So, twocows was correct in his statement.

He was talking about Christianity and so was I. Also, I somehow doubt that anyone calls the Old Testament an "artillery piece." I think you've got the wrong form of "canon" there, friend.

 

[TRIFORCE89]

Also, that quote from the Catechism... way to be selective! Let me pull out my old one from high school;

Thank you. It was meant to be. For two reasons:

1) Freaky was talking about how you don't need to follow everything. Case in point.
2) I was showing the contrast between that and that homosexuals should be put to death as stated in the old testament.

I alluded to the rest where I said it wasn't a glowing endorsement, but the rest doesn't mention killing gays anyway. So, my point still stands.

 

[Phantom1]

I wasn't arguing your point?

 

[KingCharizard]

I wasn't arguing your point?

**BOOM** I just blew up this thread no more argueing, lmao!!!

Obviously as people can see this is a never ending topic there is no right or wrong answer its all about what you believe and what you chose to follow.

 

[Light Flareon]

I believe god is what our mind percieves to be a source to rely on when angry,sad,hurt or feeling any other emotions.