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Request an Individual Moveset / Incomplete Team Help Thread

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    Just a quick question. What are some reasons why Shaymin-L was UU, while Celebi OU? Both have the same base stats, but shaymin has only five 2x weaknesses (fire, ice, flying, poison, bug) while celebi has six 2x weaknesses (all of shaymin's, minus bug and plus dark and ghost) and one 4x weakness (bug)? Both can subseed, celebi has baton pass I guess but shaymin gets air slash. Celebi does get leaf storm but shamin has seed flare which is although not as accurate, it doesn't lose power on the second hit and can actually gain power (if it lowers their sdef).

    I know Shaymin is in testing to become OU, but still, I was wondering why the two were distributed the way they were. More specifically, why wasn't shaymin OU in the first place?
     

    The Hero Without a Name

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    Just a quick question. What are some reasons why Shaymin-L was UU, while Celebi OU? Both have the same base stats, but shaymin has only five 2x weaknesses (fire, ice, flying, poison, bug) while celebi has six 2x weaknesses (all of shaymin's, minus bug and plus dark and ghost) and one 4x weakness (bug)? Both can subseed, celebi has baton pass I guess but shaymin gets air slash. Celebi does get leaf storm but shamin has seed flare which is although not as accurate, it doesn't lose power on the second hit and can actually gain power (if it lowers their sdef).

    I know Shaymin is in testing to become OU, but still, I was wondering why the two were distributed the way they were. More specifically, why wasn't shaymin OU in the first place?
    Shaymin would die for Celebi's much wider offensive and support movepool; that's pretty much it. Almost everything Shaymin can do, Celebi can do better in OU.
     

    sims796

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    Shaymin would die for Celebi's much wider offensive and support movepool; that's pretty much it. Almost everything Shaymin can do, Celebi can do better in OU.

    Cept Seed Flare

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    That, and Shaymin doesn't have those crippling weaknesses that Celibi has. Not that it matters, as Celi is still better.
     

    HirakuNoShadow

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    Okay ive been trying to make a team,(since my last one was trash TT__TT) and this is what I came up with so far.



    Gliscor @ Leftovers
    Impish Nature
    Trait: Sand Veil
    252 HP | 40 Defense | 216 Speed
    -Earthquake
    -Stealth Rock
    -Roost
    -Stone Edge

    (Good, just watch out for ice beams and shards that may come across xD)


    Starmie @ Choice Scarf
    Modest Nature
    Trait: Natural Cure
    252 Special Attack | 252 Speed | 4 HP
    -Hydro Pump (Hydro Pump > Surf for Starmie because it needs that power difference - so nice choice :P)
    -Ice Beam
    -Thunderbolt
    -Psychic



    Latias @ Life Orb (Soul Dew is better IMO but oh well)
    Timid Nature
    Trait: Levitate
    252 Special Attack | 252 Speed | 4 HP
    -Calm Mind
    -Surf
    -Dragon Pulse
    -Recover



    Metagross @ Choice Band
    Adamant Nature
    Trait: Clear Body
    252 HP | 236 Attack | 12 Defense | 8 Speed
    -Meteor Mash
    -Earthquake
    -Thunderpunch
    -Ice Punch | Explosion | Bullet Punch (Explosion is the best way to go - which dents ANYTHING including steels)


    Can anyone suggest two pokemon that can fill the last two slots?

    Here's My thoughts about it :X Changes are in bold but there aren't many things to change about anyways - Your team is good against Fighting, which almost pretty much a good thing....

    Currently what I can see from here is a Lead, a Revenge Killer, a Calm Mind Special Sweeper and a CB Physical Sweeper. One of the biggest problems for you would be Scizor, Tyranitar, Rotom formes, Heracross.

    -Scizor can come literally on any attack and OHKO or 2HKO Starmie / Latias back with STAB X-Scissor
    -Tyranitar come on Starmie if you're locked with moves not named surf, and when you switch, OHKO it with STAB pursuit.
    -Rotom Formes will completely wall Metagross, as well as put a dent on Starmie (although not so much with Latias), with its STAB Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball
    -Heracross may switch in to OHKO your Starmie if it's not using Psychic with Megahorn or Pursuit.
    -Lucario may use Extremespeed on you to pick off any of your weakened pokemons, barring Metagross.
    -Blissey will wall Latias and Starmie, and will always beat Latias if it has Seismic Toss and Softboiled.

    So what you seem to lack is Fire attacks and Fighting attacks to counter these Pokemons, so you may want to use them as your last 2 choices.

    Edit: Oh right I forgot about that D: Thanks for reminding
     
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    Question about Shoddy battles (Smogon)

    In Uber ladder battles, does Evasion clause still apply?

    Didn't know if this was the best place to ask this so if not mods feel free to redirect this to the appropriate forum.
     
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    Some Groudon Questions

    Hi.
    M and my friends are having a few Double battles with each other using different strategies, trying to beat each other. The Team Im using Now Is a "sunny day team" (Uses the advantage of Sunny day to win, kind of sucks but I am just trying it out).

    Now, My Groudon and A Cherrim are the first Pokemon Im sending out, Groudon because of Its Drought and Cherrim cause Its awesome in Sunny Day. Now If Im correct, Cherrim raises BOTH PLAYERS Attack And Special Defence by 50% (1.5).
    What I am asking is should I even PUT solarbeam on my groudon. I Mean sure, Its 120 attack, 100% accuracy and can attack immediately, but its special. And Since Groudons Non-Special (physical) attack is 1.5 its special attack, plus Cherrims added bonus, wouldnt it be better to put an 80 Physical move on groudon, which would power up to 160 theoretically??

    Im Thinking of for my 4 moves:
    Earthquake (100): 100 + stab (1.5) x Cherrim (1.5) x Attack Stat over special (1.5)=250!
    Fire punch (75): 75 x Cherrim (1.5) x Attack stat over special stat (1.5) x Sunny Day Fire effect (1.5)=172.5! (Better than flamethrower which just gets sunny day ability and gets 142.5)
    Possibly Erruption (Wont get Cherrim or Attack stat over special stat but at the start of the battle it does 225 cause of sunny day, But i already have a fire move)
    thunder punch, Iron Head, Return, Dragon Claw, Iron tail,

    Any Suggestions??

    Also, Here is my team for it, Any changes??
    Groudon
    Cherrim
    Ho-oh
    Heatran
    Flareon (They both can learn lava plume and both have flash fire, an AWESOME combination)
    Arcanine
     

    FinalPaladin

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    can some one please rate and help this set

    dusknoir@????? (not leftovers)
    adamant nature
    ???atk/???def/???sp def
    shadow punch
    EQ
    ice punch
    willow wisp

    please help this set

    also which would be better for the battle to go with milotic and garchomp? dusknoir or this froslass

    froslass@focus sash
    timid nature
    sp atk252/spe252/hp4
    blizzard
    hail
    destiny bond (of destiny :shocked: Dun Dun DUUUUN)
    shadow ball

    please help
     

    HirakuNoShadow

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    can some one please rate and help this set

    dusknoir@????? (not leftovers)
    adamant nature
    ???atk/???def/???sp def
    shadow punch
    EQ
    ice punch
    willow wisp

    please help this set

    This is outclassed by Banette, and it is NU.Dusknoir sucks as an attacker, and should only be used as a very bad mixed wall.

    also which would be better for the battle to go with milotic and garchomp? dusknoir or this froslass

    froslass@focus sash
    timid nature
    sp atk252/spe252/hp4
    blizzard
    hail
    destiny bond (of destiny :shocked: Dun Dun DUUUUN)
    shadow ball

    please help


    Set for SD sceptile please. I think my team has the coverage to pull it off.
     

    Dark Azelf

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    Set for SD sceptile please. I think my team has the coverage to pull it off.

    Victreebel, Cacturne and Shiftry are better grass type swords dancers.

    But sure;

    Sceptile@Life Orb
    252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
    Jolly Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Leaf Blade
    - Dragon Claw
    - Brick Break.



    In regards to final, use the battle tower thread for this sort of thing next time.

    Attacking dusknoir wants a Choice Band max attack and hp @ adamant. I also fail to see how its outclassed by bannette, since noir has better coverage and doesnt auto lose vs steels lol

    Dusknoir@Choice Band
    252 ATT / 252 HP / 6 DEF
    Adamant Nature
    ~ Focus Punch / Brick Break
    ~ Shadow Sneak / Sucker Punch
    ~ Fire Punch / Ice Punch / ThunderPunch
    ~ Trick

    Get a stat up attacker to take advantage of trick so you can stat up on the stupid a.i in the battle tower locked into one move.

    Ive also told you before, hail sucks on Froslass but i guess you didnt listen. :/
     
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    SuperBob

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    can some one please rate and help this set

    dusknoir@leftovers(sorry dusknoir is best for leftovers)
    impish nature
    252 hp / 28 atk / 228 def
    Will-O-Wisp
    EQ
    ice punch
    Pain Split

    Dusknoirs are ment to be tankers anyways.

    please help this set

    also which would be better for the battle to go with milotic and garchomp? dusknoir or this froslass

    froslass@focus sash
    timid nature
    sp atk252/spe252/hp4
    blizzard
    hail
    destiny bond (of destiny :shocked: Dun Dun DUUUUN)
    shadow ball

    I prefer Dusknoir I guess...

    please help

    Changes in Bold. Please look through it.
     

    FinalPaladin

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    can somone suggest a good poke to go with lefties milotic and yache chomp.
    was thinking venusaur,please help.
    i thought that that thread got closed.soz
     

    Dark Azelf

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    Using Blissey as a staller/irritator. What would be the best moveset?

    annoyers/irritators dont work. Blissey is a special tank/wall and should be used as thus.

    Blissey@Leftovers
    252 DEF / 80 SP.ATT / 176 SP.DEF
    Calm Nature
    Trait : Natural Cure
    - Seismic Toss
    - Thunderwave / Toxic (Only use Toxic on stall teams otherwise t-wave is so much better)
    - Flamethrower
    - Softboiled

    Standard bliss.


    Blissey@Leftovers
    252 DEF / 80 SP.ATT / 176 SP.DEF
    Calm Nature
    Trait : Natural Cure
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Flamethrower
    - Toxic

    Wish Bliss.
     

    Dark Azelf

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    Is Latios always considered uber or just when it has a Soul Dew? I thought it was always but I just fought someone who says it's only with Soul Dew.

    Latias = OU without Soul Dew. Uber WITH Soul Dew.

    Latios = Uber regardless. However it is getting tested currently to see if it breaks ou on the suspect ladder. The way things stand though it looks as though it wont be OU, since alot of people are complaining that its overpowered.
     
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    Latias = OU without Soul Dew. Uber WITH Soul Dew.

    Latios = Uber regardless. However it is getting tested currently to see if it breaks ou on the suspect ladder. The way things stand though it looks as though it wont be OU, since alot of people are complaining that its overpowered.

    Just because it has higher SPatt? Or something else? The sets on smogon seem similar for both of them.

    So soul dew is generally allowed in Uber battling?
     
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