Will Gen 5 be the death of Pokemon?

[Spikey-Eared Pichu]

Okay, I'm definitly excited for Gen 5, especially now that it's been pretty much validated. But, thinking it over, could Generation 5 be the egg that kills the goose, so to speak?

Let's look at what we've got so far:

Gen 1: The original generation. Here came 151 original, unique species of Pokemon in an entirely new world with strange rules and a nice plot. You begin as a young boy who is taken under the wing of Prof. Oak to go out into the Kanto region and capture Pokemon, wild creatures with special powers that are used for competitive battling. Along the way, you encounter the evil Team Rocket who see Pokemon as a form of profit. You thwart their plans, beat the Pokemon Gyms and ultimately become Champion. This gave you access to one final goodie, Cerulean Cave, with its high-level Pokemon and the uber goodie, Mewtwo.
Pros: 151 unqiue Pokemon, new region of Kanto, entirely new system for a videogame.
Cons:N/A

Gen 2: The follow-up to Gen 1, and, IMO, the best sequel ever. Generation 2 introduced 100 new species of Pokemon, with 12 new evolutions to Gen 1 Pokemon and the inclusion of Baby Pokemon, adding 7 new pre-evolutions to Generation 1 Pokemon, and 6 new Legendary Pokemon. The game also included Kanto's sister region, Johto. The game is also the first to introduce the trend of Legendary Pokemon as mascots; this gen's being Lugia, Ho-Oh, and Suicune. Another new element was the breeding system, which allowed players to leave obtain 1st stage versions of Pokemon they left at the Day-Care center. You'd begin the game as a young boy/girl who is given a Pokemon by Prof. Elm and asked to run a simple errand which quickly unfolds into a grand adventure. You discover that TR has regrouped and once again thwart their plans, as well as beat the 8 Pokemon Gyms of Johto, and become Champion. Afterwards, you go to a redesigned Kanto where you defeat its 8 gyms and then reach the final challenge of defeating Red, the protagonist of Gen 1.
Pros: 100 new Pokemon, with a minute amount of evolutions and pre-evos to previous Pokemon coming to a total of 19. New region of Johto, option to return to Kanto, improved battle system and animated Pokemon.
Cons: Low difficulty level, exclusion of Virdian Forest, Safari Zone, and the option to traverse Silph Co.

Gen 3: Generation 3 took us to the tropical region of Hoenn. Gen 3 introduced 135 new Pokemon with no evoltuions to previous Gen Pokemon and only 2 pre-evos to past Gen Pokemon and a total of 10 new legendary Pokemon. The setting for Gen 3 is the island region of Hoenn. The mascots are Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza. This region also introduced the 'nature' element, in which every Pokemon has a certain 'personality' to itself. You'd start off as a newly moved-in resident from Johto. You quickly enter the world of Pokemon after aiding an endangered Prof. Birch from a wild Pokemon. You traverse Hoenn, battling Gym Leaders, and participating in Pokemon Contests. Along the way you uncover the evil doings of Teams Aqua and Magma, two eco-terrorist teams whom want to expand the land and sea respectively. You defeat them after they awaken the ancient Pokemon of Land/Sea, Groudon/Kyogre, and then proceed to become Pokemon Champion. Afterwards, there is little to do other than partake in the Battle Frontier, an island where comptetive game-play is key.
Pros: 135 new Pokemon, 2 new baby Pokemon, new system in which trainers could particpate in Pokemon Contests to win ribbons based on their Pokemons' condition, new region of Hoenn, further improved battle system, Battle Frontier is introduced for competitive gamers.
Cons: Of the 135 new Pokemon, only about two handfuls are actually original or memorable. There was almost no inclusion of previous Generations' Pokemon. The post-game fell fatally flat. The introduction of ten legendary Pokemon made it less special to have said Pokemon.

Gen 4: Generation 4 introduced players to the Sinnoh region, with 107 new Pokemon, with 22 evolutions to past Gen Pokemon, 7 pre-evos to past Gen Pokemon and 14 new Legendary Pokemon. The game takes place in the Sinnoh region. The version masctos are Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. You begin the game as an innocent boy/girl who unknowingly becomes enthralled in Pokemon after a chance encounter with Prof. Birch. You then travel through Sinnoh and uncover the menacing force known as Team Galactic who want to reshape the world using the Pokemon of Space and Time, Palkia and Dialga. You defeat them, proceed to conquer the Sinnoh League and become Champion. Again, not much in the post-game other than the Battle Frontier.
Pros: 107 new Pokemon, the new region of Sinnoh, 2.5D graphics, higher difficulty.
Cons: Of the 107 new Pokemon, a very select few are actually good. This gen has way too many evolutions to previous generations' Pokemon which ruined most of them (Rhydon, Magmar, Electabuzz). Also, with 14 new legendaries, having a Legendary isn't even considered special anymore. Arceus=EPICEST OF MOST EPIC OF EPIC FAILS.

Now, we have the release of HG/SS. This could possibly be the last Golden egg before the goose dies from Generation 5. So, is Gen 5 going to be the end of Pokemon?

 

[インフェルノの津波]

I disagree. Gen 5 will maybe be a little bad, but I'm going to say this: a flat out maybe.

Also, Rhyperior does not suck. However, Froslass does.

 

[Spikey-Eared Pichu]

I'm not saying Generation 5 will suck, I never made my personal opinion on it. I'm just asking the question if you think it will, or won't.

Now, I'm not saying the evolutions are bad stat-wise, but design-wise, they all suck ass. Every last one of them, yes, even Leafeon and Glaceon, should be removed from every D/P/Pt/HG/SS cartridge and remade. I mean, look at this:

eww

EEWWWW

OMFGWTF IS THAT?!

 

[SiReNzZ]

I hope that IF Gen 5 does come out that it will not bring negative aspects the Pokémon Gaming . I think that the games have been great so far . A lot of people are un happy with Diamond / Pearl and Platinum but I think the three are very good :) . I have not played Heart Gold / Soul Silver yet but I look foward the official release . I hope that Gen 5 will make the Pokémon gaming experience better and not worse :P

 

[Wings Don't Cry]

I'm not saying Generation 5 will suck, I never made my personal opinion on it. I'm just asking the question if you think it will, or won't.

Now, I'm not saying the evolutions are bad stat-wise, but design-wise, they all suck ass. Every last one of them, yes, even Leafeon and Glaceon, should be removed from every D/P/Pt/HG/SS cartridge and remade. I mean, look at this:

eww

EEWWWW

OMFGWTF IS THAT?!

I think Porygon Z is meant to look like that since its Dex entry says it was meant to be an upgrade of Porygon 2 but it didn't come out right. So you can't blame it for being ugly when it has a perfectly good reason.

Also Kanto didn't have 151 unique Pokemon, there is nothing unique about a Pokeball with eyes or a Seal called Seel. The only reason you find them unique is because of nostalgia.

 

[Zeta Sukuna]

... I smell the sour scent of nostalgia filter in this thread. Well, I suppose I can do this in two ways. I can either say what you expect to hear, or I can say what I think. I'll opt for the second choice, thank you.

You see, I believe that the designs got better. Also, the first gen was probably the least unique. Not the worst looking, but the least unique. The first gen is basically just animals with superpowers. The fourth Gen is the most unique, but like someone said, unique doesn't mean good.

Anyway, to get on topic. I believe that Gen 5 won't kill the franchise. The cons you seem to be pointing out seem to be of your own opinion, rather then fact, so they really can't be counted. Even if most dislike it, it is still an opinion, for there will always be the few who like them. Myself as an example.

To me, the franchise kept getting better as the generations moved on, and the only true flaws were from going to a new system, such as Diamond and Pearl's slow speed. If this fifth gen is on the DS, then they know how to program for that rather well by now, and they know what things work.

So no. Gen 5 won't kill the franchise. In fact, I'm sure that it'll be better then the fourth gen. As long as they don't design pokemon as bad as Manaphy, which is the only pokemon design that I really hate.

But everything I said here is of my own opinion and thoughts, so take it how you like.

 

[Medli]

... I smell the sour scent of nostalgia filter in this thread.

Yeah, pretty much. I also feel an "argh 4th gen sucks" vibe going on.

I don't think that Gen 5 will be the death of Pokemon. I personally think that there are bad things about each generation, but they're all pretty good in different ways. Of course, these are all opinions. Generation 1 suffered from a lack of creativity. Oh my gosh, it's a seal called Seel that shoots water. No way, it's a rhino called Rhyhorn that has good defense. Oh wow, it's a Pokemon that looks like a Pokeball. And it's evolution is just that Pokemon turned upside down. Then there's Gen 2 with its horrible leveling up in Kanto. Then there's Gen 3 which pretty much everyone hates, even though I personally like it. Etc. etc.

I agree, some of the designs are getting weirder and weirder, and more creative designs are not necessarily good. But we wouldn't have this "golden egg" that is HG/SS without D/P/Pt. Just think about how slow Sinnoh ran. They managed to fix that for HG/SS (at least, that's what it looks like. I haven't played it yet).

I personally have faith for the 5th Gen. I've just got back into liking Pokemon, and I'm glad I got back while a new generation is around the corner. Yeah, the designs may get weirder, but I'm sure there's going to be other good things about it.

As long as they don't overload it with legendaries. That's the only thing I'm really worried about.

 

[JJAttacker]

i thin it'll be alright. nothing special though
and definitely not as good as the previous gens

 

[Niprop]

Okay, I'm definitly excited for Gen 5, especially now that it's been pretty much validated. But, thinking it over, could Generation 5 be the egg that kills the goose, so to speak?

Let's look at what we've got so far:

Gen 1: The original generation. Here came 151 original, unique species of Pokemon in an entirely new world with strange rules and a nice plot. You begin as a young boy who is taken under the wing of Prof. Oak to go out into the Kanto region and capture Pokemon, wild creatures with special powers that are used for competitive battling. Along the way, you encounter the evil Team Rocket who see Pokemon as a form of profit. You thwart their plans, beat the Pokemon Gyms and ultimately become Champion. This gave you access to one final goodie, Cerulean Cave, with its high-level Pokemon and the uber goodie, Mewtwo.
Pros: 150 (The two different Nidoran were not unique!) unqiue Pokemon, new region of Kanto, entirely new system for a videogame.
Cons: VERY GLITCHY. Some moves also didn't work properly.

Fixed. Also, it's too early to make any assumptions on how Generation V will be. The next RPG game coming out, might simply be a different within generation IV, rather then the next gen of games.

Now, I'm not saying the evolutions are bad stat-wise, but design-wise, they all suck ass. Every last one of them, yes, even Leafeon and Glaceon, should be removed from every D/P/Pt/HG/SS cartridge and remade. I mean, look at this:

eww

Porygon-Z is SUPPOSED to look odd! Besides, it doesn't look any less like a mutated Porygon2 then Mewtwo looks like a mutated Mew.

 

[Myles]

What everyone else has been saying. Gen V will do fine.

Afterwards, you go to a redesigned Kanto where you defeat its 8 gyms and then reach the final challenge of defeating Red, the protagonist of Gen 1.

You said that all the other generations' post games sucked because of this. But really, that isn't part of it's post-game, it's a part of its game. Gen IV has had probably the best post-game of any generation, but you essentially compared it to Heonn's lackluster post-game. And hey, you even acted like Gen I's post-game was better than Gen IV's.

Cons: Of the 107 new Pokemon, a very select few are actually good. This gen has way too many evolutions to previous generations' Pokemon which ruined most of them (Rhydon, Magmar, Electabuzz). Also, with 14 new legendaries, having a Legendary isn't even considered special anymore. Arceus=EPICEST OF MOST EPIC OF EPIC FAILS.

This is really where the opinion comes out to play. I think the majority of them are good. A lot better than the third generation imo.

The new evolutions actually played a good role. Those 'good old' Pokemon everyone liked were too weak for competitive play nowadays. By introducing new evolutions, you still get to play as the good old favourites, just with updates. And about Porygon-Z, his one of my favourite new Pokemon. I always liked Porygon, but Porygon2 ruined him for me. With the introduction of Porygon-Z, the evolutionary line was revived for me. So it's personal opinion.

The point about legendaries becoming less 'exclusive' or 'rare' is likely because everyone has gotten better with the game, everyone knows everything about them. They're still just as hard to obtain. But back with the first generation, not everyone could just name all Pokemon off the top of their heads. This trait did eventually become more common, but that was in the latter half of the generation. Legendary Pokemon were mysterious back then, now they're common knowledge.

The comment about Arceus is complete opinion.

 

[alisaie]

I think Generation V has a chance. Though I will admit that I didn't like most of the Gen IV pokemon when they first came out, I started to like more and more of them as Gen IV stayed about (though I still prolly dislike about a forth or something). The Pokemon actually are getting more original from the first generation (Bee + Drill = Beedrill. Oh wow). I just hope they don't have any more weird evolutions, like Magmortar. D:

I don't think it'll kill the franschise, just as long as the designers thing through on things, and don't make a lot of Pokemon that either make no sense, ugly & pointless, or something else.

I myself am hoping for possibly an evolution to Rapidash for better stats, and perhaps a Dolphin pokemon. (Please give me on Gen V. I'll actually love you not as much as johto if you do. ;~; )

 

[Myles]

Kyogre, as an orca, is technically a dolphin.

Also about why Gen II had too many old Pokemon lying around and why Gen III didn't have enough. They thought people might be unreceptive to the game being essentially 'rebooted' with Gen II, if they made the Gen II Pokemon too promenent. But they got a bit too conservative. The new Pokemon had so much hype, everyone just wanted them (as opposed to nowadays, people don't bounce three times in row upon seeing a Gen IV Pokemon, now do they?).

They tried to rectify this with Gen III, thus why there were so few old Pokemon. But Pokemon had clearly been laid down at this point. People had gotten over the new Pokemon fad and wanted some nastalgia. Gen IV, they got it right.

 

[Meepman]

You posted those summaries from what seemed like a quite biased stand point, but if you look at it without your nostalgia glasses on the game play has only gotten better not worse as you seem to be saying.

I for one have some pretty high hopes for 5th gen, I'm thinking major overhaul of the old combat system.:classic:

 

[Haza]

In my opinion, with each generation, it keeps getting better. Also, you forgot to mention for the 4th Gen Pros, Wifi battling and even more competitive aspects.

4th gen is by far the best, and with said evolution of previous pokemon, without them, there would be more useless pokemon and even less pokemon seen on wifi.

5th gen has to be amazing at the rate that Im seeing.

 

[rocky505]

I remember back in the 3rd gen (which was the lowest in sales, I think) people said it was the end but it wasn't. Pokemon will probably stop around gen 7-10.

 

[lavenderbolt]

slowly, they will set stats of pokemon in higher positions, like deoxys, slaking, metagross, salamence, rhyperior,... they are trying to make people forget about 151 original pokemon which none of them has base att higher than 134, they ruined dragonite with the presentation of salamence and metagross, they ruined all the natural rules with slaking, and so on. i love original pokemon but can't use very often them because new pokemon are far stronger. with the introduction of gen 5, may be i will no longer be able to use original pokemon any more, i don't want gen 5, i hope it'll be the end

 

[Myles]

i don't want gen 5, i hope it'll be the end

That's extremely selfish and just isn't going to happen. Pokemon is very, very popular and showing no sign on slowing down. Besides the original 151's evolutions are most likely to let metagame players still use their old favourites. The stat raising is just natural inflation. (If they were getting stronger, then they could easily slip into being weak and not get any new ones added to OU.)

 

[Converge]

I'm not one to really speculate on things, but if pokemon has lasted this long, it can survive another Generation.

 

[Shadow Sneak Sableye]

I don't think it'll be the 'death of pokemon' I didn't like the third generation but I never thought it would ruin the whole franchise. I knew they'd come out with a bigger and better generation next time (and they did! ^^ *loves Cynthia*) Besides, They can't totally screw up a generation so much that everyone will hate everything about it.

 

[インフェルノの津波]

I remember back in the 3rd gen (which was the lowest in sales, I think) people said it was the end but it wasn't. Pokemon will probably stop around gen 7-10.

I sort of agree with this person. Unless Satoshi Tajiri has run out of ideas for new Pokemon or he dies, expect to see much more, my friends.

Also, It's true that they're making the new Pokemon better than the old, such as Gallade, but I really wonder who's gonna top Arceus....