Should women be allowed to go topless in public?

[RTHookers]

I didn't read all the posts, but he wins the thread.

Seriously now?
Learn2troll dude. Your trolls fails at being funny. His troll was also horrible.

I agree with all the above. It really shouldn't matter to anyone whether someone else is nude or topless in public. The only reason it is "disturbing" or "innappropiate" or "embarrassing" is because of paranoia. :/ Unfortunately I am victim to this paranoia, because I wouldn't run around topless myself in any place other than my own home, or a bikini at the beach...



...What? Bathroom? You completely lost me here. :cer_confused:

Kindergarten Cop lol.

Well we all don't live in African tribes now do we.
The world doesn't have the same culture. It's all cultural.
I really can't believe this is a topic. :|

....What was I saying.. can't you just lock this?

No. Equal Rights =/= Equality

Do not want Equality. Thank you very much. Women =/= Men and never should. That would be ignorant of the fact that the two genders are different and deserve to be treated as such. Notice this is not sexist, because no superior gender is stated, only different genders. This is realistic.

Thanks you, the messiah, for explaining what I said A FEW PAGES AGO >>

 

[loliwin]

If you wanna see a woman topless, then have sex with her/him (LOL)


tiss all.

 

[Rich Boy Rob]

I really don't understand what is wrong with giving women the option to be topless without being fined. It's not as if once this law were created (abolished?) then everyone would be running around naked. If you don't want to walk around without a top on, don't. If you get hot and want to take your top off, you should have the option.

Now I bid this thread adieu.

 

[Eliminator Jr.]

Okay, I have a few points to make here.

1. Women should have the right to walk topless in public. Just because something is legal doesn't mean everybody does it - we're not suddenly going to be bombarded with topless women everywhere we go. This thread is proof enough of that - hardly anybody is actually comfortable walking around topless (heck, I'm male and apart from beaches and nearby shops etc. I'm not comfortable walking around topless either) so it won't be much of a problem. However, just because one person isn't comfortable with it doesn't mean that it should be banned for everyone. Oh hey guys, I'm uncomfortable with realistic violence in video games, let's ban it! [/sarcasm]

2. Like another poster has said before me, in the majority of rape cases the rapist knows their victim personally (in other words, they are not strangers). Women walking around topless will inevitably invite pervs to stare at them and some might find themselves the subject of sexist comments, but again I stress that if these people wish to be subjected to this criticism it is their right to do so. Let me put it this way: a kid has grown up in a family that has a long standing tradition of being.. I don't know, bakers. This kid has a dream, an ambition to be an author, but many people aren't too keen on him following this dream. Should it be made impossible for this child to become an author (even though he will receive criticism for making this decision)? It's not a strong analogy but I think you can see the point I'm trying to make. What kind of world do we live in where somebody gets arrested or fined for taking their top off on a hot day?

3. Just so you know I'm not taking this point of view because I'm a straight male adolescent. Think about it - make it legal for women to take off their tops in public and there's a chance that you might face walking down the main street of the town you're from and seeing a topless old lady or fat lady, or even your sister or mother topless. Suddenly not so appetising, right? What I'm trying to say is that letting women walk around topless will make me uncomfortable, but despite this I still believe women should have the right to make this decision for themselves.

But boys like it when girls ogle them.

If you call out to a guy in the street who is hanging out with his friends and you call him sexy or something like that his friends will all cheer him and he will feel empowered.

But for a girl it is demeaning. Like sometimes when creepy van drivers who call to you out of the window it is not nice.

That's a bit of a generalisation there. Not all boys like it when girls ogle them, nor do all girls hate it when boys ogle them. It can work both ways - your creepy van driver is the same as an aunt's drunk friend at her 50th birthday party who decides to go a little too far with the "what a handsome young boy" comments. Stop being sexist; there are people who like and dislike being ogled for both sexes.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

I see this topic is getting a bit heated and I didn't expect that.

Anyways for my closing argument:
Plenty of things are legal despite being socially taboo. There was a point in time where interracial relationships were taboo and there are still a significant number of people who disapprove of them. Does this mean we should re-ban interracial marriage? Similarly (and perhaps a better analogy) homosexuality is taboo and is even illegal and punishable by death in a few parts of the word. Many people are uncomfortable with homosexuality. Does this mean that Western nations should outlaw homosexuality or make homosexual public displays or affection illegal? I think not.

I think the is an issue of equal rights because the question asked was not whether it should be accpeted as a social norm that women should be able to go topless but rather should they have the legal right and ability to do so.

Also I find it offensive how stereotypes about men all being sex-obsessed perverted animals are being thrown around. Women can and many do have just as much of a sex drive as a man has. Look at all the magazines containing bare-chested men and these little boys bands and cheesy pop artists who bare their chests in order to sell their products to young girls via sexual arousal. I actually don't see bare-chested women being used to sell products to young boys. I've seen a few in bikinis and bathing suits but rarely because even that is considered taboo for a children's product.

 

[Guillermo]

I don't like going out topless because girls tend to flock me.

:)

Anyway, yeah, I believe everyone should have the right to walk around topless. At the end of the day, you can argue that children will be offended, but a lot of kids in this generation start looking at porn at an early age.

 

[Dawn]

I'm saddened by the number of responses that include some variation of "I wouldn't go topless so others shouldn't either." I would like to see someone show evidence that our western societies would be harmed if a couple of women started going topless. Because, really, if it doesn't harm anyone then no one has the right to tell you you can't do it. Period. Full stop.

Who said that?

Going topless for women would harm society in the same way full nudity would. Boobs, unlike chests, are private parts.

I'm saddened by the number of responses that don't read where the topic is at =< It seems to be one of the less pleasurable part of participating in debate threads.

I agree but the same should go for men. I would be uneasy around a man as well. Either because I was getting aroused in public or his body was gross.

Then ban men going topless. =/ However, once again men are not equal to women and this is one of the reasons. Chests are not private parts. Boobs, are.

I really don't understand what is wrong with giving women the option to be topless without being fined. It's not as if once this law were created (abolished?) then everyone would be running around naked. If you don't want to walk around without a top on, don't. If you get hot and want to take your top off, you should have the option.

Now I bid this thread adieu.

Replace any instance of half naked with a generic offending act. Flawed argument is flawed! Here's a parody.

"I really don't understand what is wrong with giving women the option to moon people without being fined. It's not as if once this law were created (abolished?) then everyone would be running around mooning people. If you don't want to walk around without a bottom on, don't. If you get hot and want to take your bottom off, you should have the option."

1. Women should have the right to walk topless in public.

No, we should not. It astounds me that you can say exactly why that would be a problem and why your argument is flawed and not realize it.

"public"

Just because something is legal doesn't mean everybody does it

I don't see where you get off assuming people won't do it, which is the problem at hand, not "everybody".

hardly anybody is actually comfortable walking around topless

There's a reason for this. And it goes to say that many people would be uncomfortable seeing people walking around topless as a direct result.

(heck, I'm male and apart from beaches and nearby shops etc. I'm not comfortable walking around topless either)

Good for you, but males shouldn't be compared to females in this discussion. This is one of the cases where they should not be treated equal, as that would be ignorant of differences.

so it won't be much of a problem.

Huh? Wait what? How do you figure that??

However, just because one person isn't comfortable with it doesn't mean that it should be banned for everyone.

I assure you there are thousands of people not comfortable with this.

Oh hey guys, I'm uncomfortable with realistic violence in video games, let's ban it!

Example is done in private, not public. Poor comparison.

 

[ReyRey-Pyon]

wait! wait wait
what exactly makes breasts so much of a private part though?
how is it harmful?

 

[FreakyLocz14]

Who said that?

Going topless for women would harm society in the same way full nudity would. Boobs, unlike chests, are private parts.

I'm saddened by the number of responses that don't read where the topic is at =< It seems to be one of the less pleasurable part of participating in debate threads.



Then ban men going topless. =/ However, once again men are not equal to women and this is one of the reasons. Chests are not private parts. Boobs, are.



Replace any instance of half naked with a generic offending act. Flawed argument is flawed! Here's a parody.

"I really don't understand what is wrong with giving women the option to moon people without being fined. It's not as if once this law were created (abolished?) then everyone would be running around mooning people. If you don't want to walk around without a bottom on, don't. If you get hot and want to take your bottom off, you should have the option."



No, we should not. It astounds me that you can say exactly why that would be a problem and why your argument is flawed and not realize it.

"public"


I don't see where you get off assuming people won't do it, which is the problem at hand, not "everybody".




There's a reason for this. And it goes to say that many people would be uncomfortable seeing people walking around topless as a direct result.


Good for you, but males shouldn't be compared to females in this discussion. This is one of the cases where they should not be treated equal, as that would be ignorant of differences.


Huh? Wait what? How do you figure that??


I assure you there are thousands of people not comfortable with this.



Example is done in private, not public. Poor comparison.

Once again, you can take the differences between the two genders into account for your own moral reasons, but in the U.S. we are promised equal protection of the laws regardless of gender. Making the law apply differently to women than it does to men for any reason is the opposite of equal protection; it is unequal protection. Yes they may be different, but the Constitution calls for us to be ignornant of those differences because it requires equal rights. I was suggesting a law be changed. You say that men should not be brought up in this argument but I say they should. The reason is because if one group is being give more or less legal rights than another group that inequality should be addressed. If we allow differences between groups to be taken into account when making laws we are doing exactly what they did during the days of segregation. You can be creeped out by boobs all you want and that's your right but the status quo on this issue is unequal treatment under the law. As a matter of law, and not morals or traditions, I proposed this topic.

If we want to ban both men and women from going topless I'd say that's equal and fair. We can have designated areas where they can be topless like beaches, saunas, etc. I'm actually more for banning everyone from being topless than allowing both genders to be topless in in public. Sure it's fun to oogle some hot guy's body but not everyone wants to see it and that is sure to make some people uncomfortable. And what parts are "private" parts is subjective. Alot of people don't like to bear their chests (both men and women) and don't like to bear their legs, arms, etc. What parts of the body a person considers "private" varies.

 

[dithyrambos]

FreakyLocz14 (and those in a agreement) win the thread, so it can be closed nao. Those who disagree can keep their tops on and exodus to a country where equal rights aren't expected to exist, kthxbai.
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[MW2bEaSt]

the should be topless all the time all the time

 

[Dawn]

Once again, you can take the differences between the two genders into account for your own moral reasons, but in the U.S. we are promised equal protection of the laws regardless of gender. Making the law apply differently to women than it does to men for any reason is the opposite of equal protection; it is unequal protection. Yes they may be different, but the Constitution calls for us to be ignornant of those differences because it requires equal rights.

Equal Rights =/= Equality.

Rights shouldn't be given based off ignorance, either way.

the should be topless all the time all the time

*Stares at name* Nice...

FreakyLocz14 (and those in a agreement) win the thread, so it can be closed nao. Those who disagree can keep their tops on and exodus to a country where equal rights aren't expected to exist, kthxbai.
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I think perhaps you're going too far with your trolling.

 

[donavannj]

Though I may not be comfortable with topless people around, I'm not going to use the law to stop them, since it's their body, and there's no guaranteed right that protects me from not seeing something that I didn't want to see in the first place.

The only issue I have with it is that young children might develop insecurities because of feeling inferior to their parents in those areas.

 

[twocows]

I'm going to clarify. This won't happen. This shouldn't happen. What is and is not obscene is already defined in our culture. This is obscene. That means a lot of people are going to find it absolutely disgusting, and pretty much everyone will find it distracting. So please, keep your shirt on. I don't much care what you do in private, but when you're around me, I'd appreciate it if you behave like a normal human being. I'd no more care to see womens' breasts in public than I would people defecating in public.

 

[Rich Boy Rob]

I'm going to clarify. This won't happen. This shouldn't happen. What is and is not obscene is already defined in our culture. This is obscene. That means a lot of people are going to find it absolutely disgusting, and pretty much everyone will find it distracting. So please, keep your shirt on. I don't much care what you do in private, but when you're around me, I'd appreciate it if you behave like a normal human being. I'd no more care to see womens' breasts in public than I would people defecating in public.

I know I said I was leaving this thread, but I can't help myself.
Cultures change.
90 odd years ago in our culture it was considered obscene to show anymore skin than your face and forelegs (or close enough). Nowadays you could walk around in not much at all and not get a second glance (not in a bad way anyway).

 

[RTHookers]

What the ****ing hell?
THIS WORLD =/= WORLD 90 YEARS AGO.

LOGIC. People have lost logic. I'll report this thread again since Cherrim sucks. (Lightning, read mah VMs =P)

 

[Rich Boy Rob]

What the ****ing hell?
THIS WORLD =/= WORLD 90 YEARS AGO.

LOGIC. People have lost logic. I'll report this thread again since Cherrim sucks. (Lightning, read mah VMs =P)

THAT'S MY POINT! Cultures change.
Everyone here seems to think that our current mindset will last forever.

 

[RTHookers]

It won't last forever, but mind you, it's not only culture that changed. Those last 90 years were a major change.

But topless women is a major change and I support twocows about what he said.

 

[Yamikarasu]

I doubt there are many women who feel oppressed because they can't go topless in public without being accused of lewd behavior. I think women should be able to do so without actual legal penalties, they just shouldn't expect people not to think they're weird or to not be offended.

I would think it's weird, but it's not like I would think what they were doing is OMG wrong.

I guess it's like swearing. It's not illegal, but just make sure when you do it you're doing it with people you know aren't going to be offended by it, otherwise you're being a jerk.

 

[poopnoodle]

I'm going to clarify. This won't happen. This shouldn't happen. What is and is not obscene is already defined in our culture. This is obscene. That means a lot of people are going to find it absolutely disgusting, and pretty much everyone will find it distracting. So please, keep your shirt on. I don't much care what you do in private, but when you're around me, I'd appreciate it if you behave like a normal human being. I'd no more care to see womens' breasts in public than I would people defecating in public.

i dont see anyone in here pushing for the law to change immediately as if it will. we know it won't, but i think we're entitled to question society's mindset. i really don't see what's "absolutely disgusting" about some skin and a pair of nipples being shown, and i don't understand why you're setting the guidelines for what's "normal" and what isn't. as rob mentioned several times, exposure to breasts is a perfectly natural and "normal" part of cultures elsewhere, there's no reason it shouldn't be in ours.