5th Gen Hated this generation

[Zehn]

Generation 5...
I know we had to transition to 3D somehow, but the graphics were fucking horrible
Ugliest ever, the POV was terrible, OW looked stupid, nature look fake
The story was stupid Af, basically you fight a group of hypocrites who are basically green peace
The generation had a remake, of itself, which is stupid.
The new Pokemon, look stupid, were randomly OP and ugly coloured

Worst gen in my opinion

 

[Cerberus87]

It has easily the best gameplay of all the gens. Fast, and even faster on the DSi. Pokémon rosters are great. Story is the best in the series. 3D wasn't great, but 4th gen 3D looked worse. Introduced reusable TMs and quick repel system. Did away with HM usage for the most part. B2W2 has the best postgame in the series. The list of positives in 5th gen far outweigh the negatives.

You spew hate, you'll get hate back. ;)

 

[Pendraflare]

You know, I don't mean to be rude here, but we Gen V fans are pretty used to seeing these claims at this point. And for the game being a "remake of itself"? Please. Between all the third versions we've had (Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum and this one), B2W2 are by far the least "same" and they do a lot more to add to the adventure. Not to mention the term "sequel" or "continuation" is kind of the opposite of "remake". Other than that, I really don't have much to comment on here, really we're used to this.

 

[Cerberus87]

You know, I don't mean to be rude here, but we Gen V fans are pretty used to seeing these claims at this point. And for the game being a "remake of itself"? Please. Between all the third versions we've had (Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum and this one), B2W2 are by far the least "same" and they do a lot more to add to the adventure. Not to mention the term "sequel" or "continuation" is kind of the opposite of "remake". Other than that, I really don't have much to comment on here, really we're used to this.

Well, 5th gen introduced very powerful Fire and Dark-types. That's also a great plus. And it's the only gen where the early bugs (Venipede and Sewaddle) aren't utterly useless.

 

[giradialkia]

I'm sure glad you ended that with "In my opinion, because eh, I pretty much disagree in every single regard.

They made more use of 3D perspectives than 4th Gen. They managed to make the overworld sprites have even more detail than before, with several characters having nice little animations that honestly helped give them a personality and depth. Not to go crazy, though - Alder's hair ruffling doesn't scream I AM A CHAMPION or anything, haha.
To be fair, the nature looked real-er than ever before, and we got a nice Seasonal system that, again, added some depth to the world. Of course, day/night restrictions are one thing, seasonal restrictions are another. Still, it was a nice touch that didn't hurt the gameplay.

The story was far from stupid. I'm sorry, opinions are opinions, but you're not very right about that, haha. The entire 5th Gen storyline is easily the best writing they've ever had. A nice amount of characters who you can actually give a damn about, whose role in the story matters. Look at the rivals; Cheren, knowledgeable, impatient, skilled, but needs to learn that there's more to battling than being the best. Bianca, even better. Sheltered, innocent, clumsy, and the first character ever who has to accept the fact that she'd never be the best, and that it's okay. XY pooped all over the multi-rival situation by giving you a huge group of people, BW/B2W2 got it right.
As for Team Plasma/N, their story was easily better and more thought-provoking than past teams, and Team Flare. Good Lord. I mean N befriended Pokémon in nearby routes to use in his battles against you, meaning he never had the same team twice. That's pretty creative.

"Remake of itself" - incorrect. B2W2 were the best. Not only did they have a direct sequel for the first time since GSC, they managed to do it within one generation, and form a brand new continuation of an already great storyline. B2W2 had great move tutors, the best regional dex ever, period, and the frickin World Tournament.

Admittedly, Gen V had its fair share of sucky Pokémon. But the fact that there were 157 brand new ones, that BW served as a reboot to the franchise, and let everyone really feel like it was a new series, is a pretty big deal.

Easily one of the best gens, mainly due to B2W2. Just my opinion though.

 

[curiousnathan]

I hated this generation in general but it did introduce some really beautfiul Pokemon; Liepard, Volcarona, Reuniclus etc.

 

[Imafroggy]

Generation 5...
I know we had to transition to 3D somehow, but the graphics were psyducking horrible
Ugliest ever, the POV was terrible, OW looked stupid, nature look fake
The story was stupid Af, basically you fight a group of hypocrites who are basically green peace
The generation had a remake, of itself, which is stupid.
The new Pokemon, look stupid, were randomly OP and ugly coloured

Worst gen in my opinion

worst gen is gen 6.
once you get over the "COOL 3D GRAPHICS XDDD"
it's lifeless, pale, and empty. just like X and Y

 

[Hikamaru]

As someone who is a 5th Gen fan, it always makes me sad when people constantly bash on Unova and all the things it did to make itself different from most other regions/generations.

We got the first non-Japan based region, a game with a Pokedex containing only new Pokemon since Kanto, rivals who actually have significant development, Gym Leaders who actually do something outside of their Gyms, and a seasonal change which made everything feel more realistic. There's also N and his very mysterious backstory + huge development as a character. And not to forget that instead of a prettied-up third version we actually got a true sequel that tied up the loose ends.

Also, I fell in love with so many of the Pokemon because there was some interesting designs and loads of unique type combos. And of course introducing my all-time fave Pokemon. The pros outweigh the cons by a long shot.

 

[DyingWillFlareon]

Seeing as this was made into a thread rather than just stating ina sig or aomething that you dislike this gen, you must be wanting people to respond. My response:

Gen V introduced a ton of pros to reboot the series. The seasonal changes, it still carried day/night, the repel system, reusable tms, and hardly any hm usage were already stated. The 100+ new Pokemon were made to be just like the original 151 in a way, they wanted to restart, so new Pokemon it is.
And, to be bluntly honest, I physically cringed at B2W2 being called a remake rather than a sequel. :/ Most people loved the sequel-ness of GSC and partially HGSS(since it wasn't direct), and Unova wanted to change stuff.
Unova HAD to have all these new differences to be what they wanted it to be. Normal Pokemon games prefer gameplay over storyline? Unova needs a buttload of storyline then. New Gens always have half their Dex filled by previous Gen Pokemon and evos? Unova needs oy new Pokemon, other wise Luvdisc would evolve into Alomomola. X3 Normal games have the Boss as the leader of an overpowering group that doesn't care about you? Unova gave you a character who wanted to be your friend. The Reguon was even based off somewhere other than Japan, for another instance.
The charcters are so in depth for the storyline as well, Cheren wants to be the best, Bianca follows a different path, and Hugh finally fulfills his quest(sort of). Soemof the stuff to reboot it in fact we haven't seen since Gwn I/II; like your rival in the prequel becoming a Gym Leader in the sequel. ;)

And I have to agree with Giradialkia, this Gen had THE BEST storyline.
Not to mention some of the BEST Pokemon came from here(primarily Braviary and Rufflet~).


I forgot to say this last night, but I agree on the battle graphics being ugly, but the overworlds are really cute in both 1 and 2.

 

[mew_nani]

I'm highly suspective of this being a troll post, but I'll say this anyway: you cannot just say you hate something without listing the reasons for your intense hatred of it. Nobody is gonna take you seriously. Your entire critique of Gen V is just 6 sentences. You cannot critique 4 Pokemon games with just 6 sentences, especially with those sentences just being "I didn't like this, so it's bad."

Carrying on, Gen V is the most innovative generation since Gen II. It had a whole new roster of exclusive Pokemon (which makes sense since New York is halfway around the world from Japan), a storyline that is actually immersive with characters that have actual depth, a region that's urbanized and isn't so reliant on HM moves while still having secrets to explore, gym leaders and other figureheads that actually do something, seasons, and fully animated Pokemon sprites that make the Pokemon feel more alive than they ever were. Whether you like the new Pokemon is your own preference, but the region is not simply bad because it consists of primarily new Pokemon, and the story is not bad simply because it's different from the previous storylines. It also had direct sequels that added the missing Pokemon while still adding new things to the region; changing parts of it and giving us a prologue of our rivals from the previous games. Not since Gold and Silver have I seen this happen.

 

[Fun Size]

I LOVED gen 5 and to be honest it's probably one of my favorite if not my favorite gen to date. I never really understood the hate for gen 5 because I feel as though it's more "down to earth" than other games in the Pokemon series. An example is like how Team Plasma wanted to liberate Pokemon, just like how people today want to prevent animal cruelty or like how it seemed like Ghetsis was like an abusive Dad to N at the end of Pokemon Black. But if you like more fictional kinda stuff like how Cyrus wanted to like destroy the world and rebuild it to his liking or whatever then what can ya do? Everyone has their own preferences and I'm not gonna change that.


Also it's mentioned before but the storyline is awesome! The characters actually had depth to them and you could relate to Bianca being late (because I'm sure we've all been in a situation where we were late) or that you know people who are like Cheren who think they are just a little better than everyone else. Also N wasn't your typical "check me out I'm a bad guy watch me do bad things" type of villain. He was deep and mysterious and at times I wonder if he was even a villain because he did actually want to liberate Pokemon from bad people.


How is a remake of itself stupid? You never actually gave us a justified reason to your claim. I myself found the remake to be quite entertaining and I think it went well with the fact that it came right after Pokemon Black/White. If Pokemon Black/White 2 came out let's say five years after the release Black/White there's no way you would know what's going on because the characters have already been introduced from the first game (Unlike previous remakes where the story's generally the same with some better graphics and new mechanics) so coming into this as a newcomer would leave you confused.

 

[Zehn]

It's stupid because team plasma have the right motives but end up being hypocrites.
I just said my opinion I didnt ask anyone to comment negetivly on it. And it is not a troll post, it's my opinion

It's stupid because team plasma have the right motives but end up being hypocrites.
I just said my opinion I didnt ask anyone to comment negetivly on it. And it is not a troll post, it's my opinion

 

[pkmin3033]

Whilst Pokemon Black and White were easily the worst games the franchise has ever churned out - they were so awful they almost put me off the franchise entirely - I don't think Gen V as a whole was particularly bad, or even "the worst" if you want to put it that way.

Despite how awful Black and White were, they introduced a lot of fantastic additions. The sprites were upgraded and improved on again. We had our first real cities that actually felt like cities, and the environments were a definite change from the norm. Seasons were introduced. The C-Gear was a great upgrade for online functionality and made real progress in making Pokemon a game you could enjoy with others outside of trade and battle. I didn't like Black at all, but I recognize and appreciate the contributions it made to the franchise. Black 2 and White 2 only improved upon these aspects as well and, unlike Black and White, they were actually playable and enjoyable.

I don't see what the fuss with the story is about, but I'd say, like all story modes in games, it comes down to personal preference. All it did was swap the order of events around a little to make it look fresh and exciting, but that's more than any game prior to it did. It was disappointing, as this depth of character I was expecting to see - after being told about it repeatedly - was absolutely nowhere to be found, but the shuffle was nice at the very least.

As for Gen V in terms of designs...every generation has good designs and bad ones. Some you'll like more of, others you won't. I didn't like most of Gen V's Pokemon, but some of them rank amongst my favourites, and I don't consider it any better or worse because of it. It's just luck of the draw and personal preference; objectively speaking it has no impact on how good or bad the generation is as a whole.

tl;dr Black and White: awful. Gen V as a whole: not awful.

 

[mew_nani]

It's stupid because team plasma have the right motives but end up being hypocrites.
I just said my opinion I didnt ask anyone to comment negetivly on it. And it is not a troll post, it's my opinion

If you're gonna make comments like that you're gonna have to deal with negative comments. Really you have to deal with that whenever you say anything, as there's always at least person who disagrees.

But back on topic, they're villains. Why would it be stupid for them to be "for" liberating Pokemon and at the same time kicking a Munna? They're the bad guys. Bad guys tend to do bad things, even when it makes them hypocritical. Being hypocrites is part of what makes them bad people; their public statements on freeing Pokemon are just a cover. They never actually cared about Pokemon; they just wanted to use them and be cruel to them. To be honest in the world of Pokemon their plan was a clever one; Pokemon are the primary line of defense there. If they were the only ones with Pokemon, nobody would be able to stop them. That was their goal; disarm everyone, them move in.

 

[Nakala Pri]

*bursts into tears and clutches chest and dies and falls down the stairs and dramatically gets up again*

This was my favourite generation! The graphics weren't fantastic, but they were acceptable! 8D The Pokemon designs were unique and the battles were far more fast paced then it's predecessors, where it'd take several minutes for the health bar to deplete. ;~; I'd say it was an amazing game full of AWSM memories and epic/dreamy characters. I'd give it out a 9/10. I took a point off for the windows at sunset. XD

 

[Palkia]

I can't be arsed to write a essay on how much i agree with the OP, but I will mention how hypocritical the villains of the game were.
They want pokemon to be without trainers and they are basically trainers themselves. I know that it was a

Spoiler:

huge cover up for Ghetsis

but it's such a blatant oversight.

 

[Gardevoir the Dragon Slayer]

Yeah Gen V is kind of meh. Unova is just plain boring and a large amount of new gen V pokemon where just trash (quite literally in a certain gen v's pokemons case).

However its not all bad, plenty of positives like a great soundtrack, cool looking player characters, all the legendaries looking awesome (apart for the stupid genies on clouds weather ones) and some really really cool new pokemon (Samurott, Wimscott, Swanna and Meinshao to name a few).

 

[Nah]

The....hypocrisy of Team Plasma was kinda half the point.

I'm on the side of "Gen V was the best gen". Black/White and Black2/White2 are my favorite games in the series. But some of what makes the games good/bad is entirely subjective, so I understand why some people don't like Gen V. The story, characters, and Pokemon of Gen V are gonna work for some people, and not for others. Like how some people like romance novels and others wish the genre didn't exist.

And that's fine. You can't really expect everyone to like/dislike the same stuff. The problem is when people get really adamant/overly passionate about their opinions.

I will say though that the depth of the story and characters in Gen V is slightly exaggerated. However it's still much better/deeper/whatever than all the other games imo, though bits and pieces of ORAS are pretty good too.

 

[Sydian]

It's stupid because team plasma have the right motives but end up being hypocrites.
I just said my opinion I didnt ask anyone to comment negetivly on it. And it is not a troll post, it's my opinion

You didn't ask anyone to comment negatively, yes, but when you start a thread negatively, you can't expect people to not comment on it. And others are allowed to have their opinion just like you. It's okay to dislike gen V and it's okay to love it! I'm on the latter of that spectrum and completely disagree with your claims in the first post. And, again, it's okay. But in the future, don't post something so negative and then claim you didn't want negativity back. It's going to happen, especially since you set it up for that.

Anyway, I'll leave this thread up, but if it just turns into a bottomless pit of hate and flames, I'll close it. Have a nice day. :>

 

[magicalgirlj]

I really like this gen. I like how they decided to base the new region on New York instead of Japan. The seasons was really cool. And reusable TM's are a godsend. The music is brilliant. I wish they could have kept your lead Pokemon following you and berry pots like in HG and SS.