Death Battle : Charizard vs Greymon

[Famon]

I haven't even bothered with Death Battle since they said a hungry, four inch ball of stardust that dies to brooms could beat a planet popping psycho child with near infinite regeneration.

I mean, they were stupid before that, but after that it became clear that all they cared about was annoying people.

Makes sense that a digimon would win this, though, they're overdesigned enough that just trying to bite one would probably end up with a pokemon getting a sword gun through the jaw.

Just imagine A Charizard using Dragon Claw , Dragon Tail and Steel wing at the same time .

Spoiler:

 

[Kaiyu]

I used to like both of them but now I've changed so I'll pick Charizard.

 

[Alfieri]

Seeing blood and gore on Pokemon disgusts me. Keep that **** in Mortal Kombat where it fits.

 

[sharzin]

Seeing blood and gore on Pokemon disgusts me. Keep that **** in Mortal Kombat where it fits.

really right

 

[Famon]

Seeing blood and gore on Pokemon disgusts me. Keep that **** in Mortal Kombat where it fits.

Tell that to Digimon fan who claim Pokemons to be weak because they doesn't kill anyone!

 

[TEXg715]

Ok, this is getting out of hand... The Death Battle presented evidence for its outcome, and you might or might not accept it, but the atmosphere in this thread is kind of bleak.

So: LET'S MAKE IT WORST!!
At least for myself, that is. I just don't like seeing so much negativity from something that should be fun. So, I am going to give my opinion about some statements in the thread. Like'em, hate,em or rage'em, if you want, but I can promise that they won't favor either side.

Also, I'm going to base myself around the end of the video, since it is there that they present their reasoning to the results of the fight.

But first of all:
Alfieri says:

Seeing blood and gore on Pokemon disgusts me. Keep that **** in Mortal Kombat where it fits.

Yeah, you should stay away from the manga.

First Point:

King Elizabello says:

pokemon is better in games while digimon is better as anime

I want to desagree with this. Both have good games and while the digimon anime is good, it's english variant tried to focus a lot on Tai, trying to make him compete with Ash. The Pokemon anime has also began to get better. Giving Ash a possible relationship with Serena and a fantastic team.

Also, digimon has Two types of games: The "Story" and the "World" variants. Every Digimon game that cam to the west, except for the PS1 games, are Story games (To my knowledge).

Honestly, whether digimon or pokemon have better games/anime is up to personal preference, let's just not go full fanboy about it.

Second Point:
Xin ZhaoYun

Classic Screwattack. You already know from their name how much they love screwing characters with arguably larger fandoms in these death battles.

Actually, the name comes from an ability of Samus Aran in the Metroid franchise. I don't think that they do this to screw with people, since they usually have gigantic arguments in their office over these battles, and even they are fans of the characters that fight each other.

Third Point:
KorpiklaaniVodka says:

But yeah Digimon is a pretty bad show.

If you saw it and didn't like it then that's fine, but I don't think you should say it's bad, unless you want to start an argument against fanboys. Instead, try saying that you just didn't like it. You don't have to listen to me, but that's my advice.

Fourth Point
Astinus says:

Evolution for Digimon, especially those with human partners, can come about because of life-threatening situations. Pokemon just evolve when they get strong enough.

I liked your reasoning, but this made it look biased. I don't think that Pokemon evolve just by getting strong, since in the games there is the happiness mechanic and the Poke-amie. Also, I think it's portrayed in the anime: pokemon evolving because of their trust and friendship with their trainer.

BONUS!
Astinus says:

With Pokemon, it's more fake as, according to canon, the world was created by a space goat.

Don't be so harsh on poor Arceus. Life is already hard enough ever since the Helix showed up and stole it's place as an almighty god.

Fifth Point:
Famon says;

There is no official confirmation that Gaia force is absolutely hot and capable of destroying cities.
Honestly , Gaia force has same type description as Fire blast ! One is the High Temperature energy shot and while another is an All consuming fire that incinerate everything it touch.
Also , I watch the battle between Piedmon and WarGreymon and that was enough for me to convince that a regular Gardevoir can take down WarGreymon with Teleport and Psychic.
Next time , Death battle will claim Mewtwo to be weaker then BlackWarGreymon because he also need command .

There is no confirmation of just how powerful Gaia Force actually is, however I don't think that they based their reasoning on the power of the attack itself but rather in WarGreymon's own power, which is ridiculous.
I mean, For MetalGreymon, Wargreymon's pre-evolution, the wiki states: "MetalGreymon's offensive power is said to equal that of a single nuclear warhead, and if the likes of a low-level Digimon suffered that blow, it would be annihilated without leaving a trace."
WarGreymon's own wiki intro states:"it has rapidly improved its speed and power, and it is likely impossible to defeat it with the attacks of an Ultimate Digimon." So yeah, that's just absurd.

The same logic applies to Pokemon, whereas Charmeleon's Fire Blast is weaker than Charizard's.

I do admit that the part about Pokemon needing command was nonsensical, since Pokemon are still animals and they should be able to fight on instinct.

Sixth Point:
Sharzin says:

1-yes thats true but still they dont really help them in their real world by doing their works. i mean we see people use fire pokemon for baking and glass making or we use flying pokemon for reaching somewhere or we use water pokemon to cross the oceans. i hope you get what i mean


2-yes but we are comparing


3-i'm actually talking about "strategy" not "evolving" (for example how ash's charizard beat gary's blastoise or how ash's pikachu had a draw with tobias's latias)


4-cant argue with that! (but still mewtwo started a "world ending" storm)(but he stoped it himself)


5-i mean pokemons are real in their world and can be real in ours too! but digital codes are plain impossible to look like a life form which can do anything physical


6-ghost pokemons are actually souls of dead pokemons (in yamask's fact dead people)



now do YOU have any argument/counter argument

I CAN counter that, my dear friend!

1- That's true. During their stay in the real world, the Digimon weren't that helpful. However, it was also kind of cute and funny seeing them put of place like that. And if you see the prologue at the end of season two, Agumon actually becomes Tai;s working partner (he look so cute in a suit!).

2- I don't think that's reason enough to base an argument on. The point on digimon designs compared to Pokemon deisign is also based around personal preference, so there really isn't much to argue about. You either like the over-design or you don't.
I actually the like both the over design of digimon and the more simple design of pokemon.

3- The Digimon anime doesn't present any kind of strategy, at least not that I'm aware of, however the Digimon Games do require strategizing and concentration, especially against foes that constantly give you status effects.

4-About world ending scenarios in kids' shows... Both series have ridiculous world ending scenarios. Besides the vampire taking over a city stuff, there was also a train that almost destroyed a city, an anti-virus that almost obliterates humanity and an entire WORLD falling on top of Japan. You already noted some dangerous Pokemon scenarios in your original post, so I'll leave it at that.

5- See, not necessarily. Advances in technology have brought about Virtual Simulation and Holographic projection. Who knows? One day we might be able to create matter infused data or vice versa. It's still make-believe, but so is genetically engineering pokemon.

6- Besides creeping the heck out of me, ghost pokemon are dead souls of both people and pokemon. But digimon can always come back as a digiegg. So, in a sense, neither is ever really gone.

Seventh Point:
LET ME COUNTER YOUR COUNTER WITH MY COUNTER... for a second time...
Sharzin also said:

let me counter them
--Red is so weak physically that he can not take beating from a 10 year old boy.

even if thats true still he is a better strategist according to manga and his super violence but at the same time funny way of killing to throw a pokeball at the mouth of his opponent and then summon the snorlax inside that pokeball

--Pokemon are mindless beast who can't do anything without trainers order .

two words : alakazam metagross

Remember that the Red portrayed in the death battle is the one from the video games(and the origins anime). Even if he was physically stronger than Tai(which he has to be, not only since he's older but also since he carries that bagpack), This Red is in no way prepared for a fight. Judging from the world of Pokemon, people don't usually fight each other, and those who do usually reside in dojos or train at the mountains, so I don't think he could fight, much less be ready for a sucker punch.

Also, They never really state that Pokemon are mindless beast. I do still think that Charizard should have been able to fight for himself. They portray him more clueless than mindless.

BONUS!:
Kameken:

I haven't even bothered with Death Battle since they said a hungry, four inch ball of stardust that dies to brooms could beat a planet popping psycho child with near infinite regeneration.

I mean, they were stupid before that, but after that it became clear that all they cared about was annoying people.

Makes sense that a digimon would win this, though, they're overdesigned enough that just trying to bite one would probably end up with a pokemon getting a sword gun through the jaw.

I assume you like DBZ. The only thing I can tell you is that they presented evidence for their judgement and that they don't want to annoy people, because if they really wanted to do that then they could simply do something incredibly stupid like argue that Mario can't be defeated because he had extra lives or that Link lost because he didn't have enough hearts. I don't think this'll change your mind, but at least I tried.

Eight Point:

Tell that to Digimon fan who claim Pokemons to be weak because they doesn't kill anyone!

Ok... Whoever was it that came up with that was in a losing argument. :|

Wow.. you read all of that... Cool, thanks.

Sorry about the names. I did add them, but if you want to go to that person's profile you're going to have to look them up. I am still getting used to the forums so I don't really know much about it.

So that's all of my thoughts. At no point did I ever try to offend someone, so if I did I apologize. Let's just stop this bickering, or at least let's have an unbiased bickering, wouldn't that be nicer?

 

[Famon]

Cheek this out -

Perfect counter for Dramon killer !
Honestly , I think even Greninja can beat WarGreymon without transforming by using Extrasensory and Night Slash.

There is no confirmation of just how powerful Gaia Force actually is, however I don't think that they based their reasoning on the power of the attack itself but rather in WarGreymon's own power, which is ridiculous.
I mean, For MetalGreymon, Wargreymon's pre-evolution, the wiki states: "MetalGreymon's offensive power is said to equal that of a single nuclear warhead, and if the likes of a low-level Digimon suffered that blow, it would be annihilated without leaving a trace."
WarGreymon's own wiki intro states:"it has rapidly improved its speed and power, and it is likely impossible to defeat it with the attacks of an Ultimate Digimon." So yeah, that's just absurd.

The same logic applies to Pokemon, whereas Charmeleon's Fire Blast is weaker than Charizard's.

I do admit that the part about Pokemon needing command was nonsensical, since Pokemon are still animals and they should be able to fight on instinct.

First of All ,A experience Charizard Flame said to be intense enough to melt anything and it can quickly melt a 10000 ton glacier
Do you know how much energy it will take to do that ? 14254799°F !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty8doQ0rZjM

So you see , Even charizard own power is off the limit !
I watched all Wargreymon fight and Gaia Force shown power equivalent of a Shadow Ball , Hyper beam at max .

Remember that the Red portrayed in the death battle is the one from the video games(and the origins anime). Even if he was physically stronger than Tai(which he has to be, not only since he's older but also since he carries that bagpack), This Red is in no way prepared for a fight. Judging from the world of Pokemon, people don't usually fight each other, and those who do usually reside in dojos or train at the mountains, so I don't think he could fight, much less be ready for a sucker punch.

You're saying ? Characters of Origin are brutal enough to kill Pokemon .
Also , You can find many Blackbelt and Battle Girl outside to challenge you in the game !
Furthermore , Red lives and train in MT Silver which is so dangerous that its off limit to normal trainer.
Do you think A kid who can't handle punchs from a 10 year old can survive there ?
People of Pokemon world has to be even stronger to survive a world infest with monster that can breath fire , cause earthquack and smash building with one punch.

Ok... Whoever was it that came up with that was in a losing argument.

Or not ,
Tell me , WarGreymon's Terra Drill manage to drill though MetalSeadramon body yet it could not do that with MetalGarurumon.
MetalGarurumon was directly hit that attack but it look more like Tackle to it!
Why couldn't WarGreymon drill though MetalGarurumon Body ?
Its because the anime can not afford WarGreymon killing MetalGarurumon just like Pokemon can not afford killing any pokemon.
That's why , Everytime Pokemon Anime need cutting , They use Explosion to cover it up! If WarGreymon used Terra Drill on Metalseadramon in pokemon then there would be a big explosion and we will see MetalSeadramon fainted on the ground.

 

[Ice1]

While it can be fun to pit these things against each other, I don't see why it dictates superiority for the whole franchise. So what the one can beat the other? I don't know much about Digimon, but from what I've seen off it, the power levels go up and out of the atmosphere in that franchise, while in Pokémon they stay a bit lower outside of pokédex entries. It wouldn't suprise me that a digimon could beat a pokemon, and if it turned out it was the other way, that's fine with me too.

 

[TEXg715]

Cheek this out -

Perfect counter for Dramon killer !
Honestly , I think even Greninja can beat WarGreymon without transforming by using Extrasensory and Night Slash.



First of All ,A experience Charizard Flame said to be intense enough to melt anything and it can quickly melt a 10000 ton glacier
Do you know how much energy it will take to do that ? 14254799°F !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty8doQ0rZjM

So you see , Even charizard own power is off the limit !
I watched all Wargreymon fight and Gaia Force shown power equivalent of a Shadow Ball , Hyper beam at max .

You're saying ? Characters of Origin are brutal enough to kill Pokemon .
Also , You can find many Blackbelt and Battle Girl outside to challenge you in the game !
Furthermore , Red lives and train in MT Silver which is so dangerous that its off limit to normal trainer.
Do you think A kid who can't handle punchs from a 10 year old can survive there ?
People of Pokemon world has to be even stronger to survive a world infest with monster that can breath fire , cause earthquack and smash building with one punch.

Or not ,
Tell me , WarGreymon's Terra Drill manage to drill though MetalSeadramon body yet it could not do that with MetalGarurumon.
MetalGarurumon was directly hit that attack but it look more like Tackle to it!
Why couldn't WarGreymon drill though MetalGarurumon Body ?
Its because the anime can not afford WarGreymon killing MetalGarurumon just like Pokemon can not afford killing any pokemon.
That's why , Everytime Pokemon Anime need cutting , They use Explosion to cover it up! If WarGreymon used Terra Drill on Metalseadramon in pokemon then there would be a big explosion and we will see MetalSeadramon fainted on the ground.

I am going to do some research in order to counter that.

What I can tell you right off the bat is that those blades WarGreymon has on it's arm are the Dramon Killers. They work especially well against the -dramon species of digimon, that is, any digimon with dramon on its name, so it's not really going to do much against Metalgarurumon.

 

[sharzin]

dumb red! he had to send a magnemite and end this battle in blink of an eye! (of course he dont know that digimons are digital codes) (but he could at least realize that digivice is somehow important and destroyed digivice)

 

[Famon]

How did WarGreymon survive this--

 

[sharzin]

How did WarGreymon survive this--

survived what?

 

[Famon]

survived what?

Blast Burn !!!

 

[sharzin]

Blast Burn !!!

i can understand this but what i cant understand anyway is how in the f***ing hell red never paid any attention to digivice?

 

[Famon]

i can understand this but what i cant understand anyway is how in the f***ing hell red never paid any attention to digivice?

Because Red relying on Mega Ring on megevolve Charizard and he's not a cheater who use unfair tactic to win !

 

[talonflame]

i have both knowledge in pokemon and digimon but i gotta say the one who animated this has limited knowledge in pokemon but in the end yes.. digimon would win and what the... flare blitz with tough claws would be stronger than blast burn from a char x anyway.. lol

 

[Famon]

i have both knowledge in pokemon and digimon but i gotta say the one who animated this has limited knowledge in pokemon but in the end yes.. digimon would win and what the... flare blitz with tough claws would be stronger than blast burn from a char x anyway.. lol

How does the animator of Pokemon have less knowledge about Pokemon ? This animation goes well with actual description of Blast Burn attack.
Also , Digimon has very chance of losing as well considering there are so many non-legendary pokemon that has the power of mega level Digimon without Megevolving.
Such as Tyranitor , Machamp , Gigalith , Gyarados , Gothitelle , Dragonair etc etc !
The move "Psychic" is enough to deal with Digimon.

I can see the fight between Ash-Greninja and Wargreymon specially if it learn Extrasensory.
Wargreymon attack with Dramon Killer and Greninja block it with Night Slash . Then Greninja use extrasenssory to push WarGreymon to the Wall.
WarGreymon attack with Gaia Force but Greninja cut it in half with Night slash.
WarGreymon attack with Terra Drill but Greninja spin and use double Night Slash to counter it.
WarGreymon again attack him with Dragon Killer But this time Greninja used Extrasensory to halt his movement and use Night slash on WarGreymon's arm to separate Dramon Killer from his arm.
WarGreymon fight with his fist and Greninja used Power-up-Punch , Both of exchange blows but Power-up-Punch increase power upon every hit therefore giving Greninja the Advantage.

 

[sharzin]

do you ever stoped to ask yourself : why dont they used that "board of wizdom" thing to calculate the power of fire blast or blast burn when charizard can melt a mountain with a simple flamethrower?
the answer is simple! : there is no such thing as "wisdom" in death battle and specially this episode.

 

[Famon]

do you ever stoped to ask yourself : why dont they used that "board of wizdom" thing to calculate the power of fire blast or blast burn when charizard can melt a mountain with a simple flamethrower?
the answer is simple! : there is no such thing as "wisdom" in death battle and specially this episode.

Also , Alain's Charizard knock down Zygarde with Flamethrower without megevolving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6xgLfmbyD4
Did WarGreymon's Gaia Force put a dent of Alphamon ???

 

[sharzin]

consider this:
according to pokemon mystery dungeon red/blue rescue team a wild charizard an melt a mountain with a single flamethrower.
(flamethrower's power is 90)
now double that cause this is a trained charizard which defeatd a blastoise and we use blast burn
(blast burn's power is 150)
now even double that because he mega evolved!
now think back to wargreymon that all of his armors and weapons are made out of some sort of steel and steel is very very quick to melt!
that means even a simple flamethrower of a wild charizard could make him sooooo defenseless let alone blast burn of a trained mega charizard (i think the seond one would turn him into ashes)