Shanghai Alice

I now label you in charge recruitment. Have a ball and let me get back to my tea, will you?

Well what should I do lol

You break a girl's heart. ;_;

Oki. Looks like a RP to me. Can you be my an hero?

Who is that? Your alt account?

No I don't dig. u Chinese?

A shanghai is fine too.

Hello, how are you?

I like to eat your user name. Except the Alice in it.

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All you really have to do is actively seek out knowledge. You're at one of the most humiliating stages in Western life, being a late teenager. Your biological clock says adult, and everyone wants to treat you like a kid because of a number beside of your name.
Basically, don't let your environment control you. You can push back and rise above where you find yourself, don't worry about it. Personally I like to read books.

Until you can give up the favoritism for the side you have been indoctrinated to support and recognize atrocities for what they are, then your ability to understand the world will always be impaired. A man who is a traitor that causes hundreds of thousands of deaths is not someone you can label 'good.' Otherwise Hitler may as well be good because he committed horrendous crimes for something he believed would benefit the people of Germany, but we can all recognize the foolishness and how incorrect he was. Why should we be blind towards the demons that loom over us as well?
I hate to say it, but you have a fairly poor understanding of history and mimic the behavior often found in the environment which you identify yourself with. Until you try to see beyond that, you will always have trouble understanding the true context of our world.

It's not just about blaming the fanatics, it's also about blaming the weapon manufacturing businesses and the generals at the pentagon for lobbying for the weapons contractors. Don't forget the dirty congressmen who agree to waste all the money on things that we don't need simply because it creates a few goofy jobs that they feel will raise their chances of being reelected by a few percentile rates.

There's a very noticeable line between who profits from the wars and who doesn't. Some people lose body parts because of the wars, while others gain Limousines. It's a matter of calling out the corruption on the side you can influence the most.

My grandfather was a veteran of World War 2. I am of the opinion that the war was wholly unnecessary for the U.S. (I know, I know, they attacked the US, right? But there's a bunch of old documents between FDR and General McCollum in which they discuss actions they could take that would be more likely to make the Japanese attack the U.S. so the U.S. would have a reason to get involved in the war in Europe)
I bet not a person outside of my town would even recognize his face, a person who at the age of 16 risked his life to do something he believed was right. And that's why I don't look down on the majority of the people who are soldiers, they believe what they're doing is right.
However it is instead the face of people like Franklin D. Roosevelt we are taught to remember in school and on television. We're told that he was our superman, the one who did the right thing. When all along he was undoubtedly operating out of deep self interesting, even if that meant committing atrocities, especially against his own people. This isn't to say that he's the only criminal held in high regard from World War 2. Truman and Churchill are just as disgusting. And no, I don't seek to lesson the crimes of Hitler or Stalin, they were even worse monsters, but I never had it shoved down my throat to put them on a pedestal and praise those two.

That's what this is about, recognizing who the truly malicious and undoubtedly foolish. are.

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I really urge you to do research on this topic. There is a very large misconception that is pushed on the American public by most mainstream media networks.
I mean, the real joke is this. It's not the people of the middle east, yes, this includes the Israelis, or our soldiers, or their soldiers or many of the groups who are called terrorists who are necessarily evil. It's that at some level, all of these groups of people are being taken advantage of. I don't seek to justify any of the violent actions taken by terrorist groups, however I also see such actions taken by governments being just as bad if not worse. I merely seek to clear up the line between the abused, (The civilians, the soldiers, the people who act out terrorism because they believe it's a meaningful way of avenging someone) and who the aggressors are. (bureaucrats; both political, military, and religious.) I for one am disgusted by the idea of people having to risk their lives for the name of some greater good just to be betrayed by those who hired them. After all, look at the money the people at the top get from things like weapons contracts.

Shanghai - Angering middle east supporters on PC since June 2010

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For this statement, I am going to need extreme definitive proof of this being true in any way at all. This seems more like something that was just made up out of nowhere. The Palestinians weren't liked in the Middle East? Okay, who didn't like them and at what point in History? Can you chronicle all the said groups of people throughout the Middle East who are said to have supposedly hated the Palestinians? Besides, what kind of justification is, " But the Palestinians were already disliked!" How does that make what the Israelis are doing/have done to them okay at all? Are we to rest the rights of humans on some sort of fictitious popularity contest? I'd also like to add this. Just because I dislike or even hate someone doesn't mean that I think it would be okay if some stranger came in and started punching them in the face and stealing their things. If I saw this occurring repeatedly I'd eventually gain sympathy towards them, and possibly even seek to intervene in the conflict.


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Under what principle is it okay to remove people who have homes in a region just because someone claimed their right to it first? Does this mean it would be okay for Native Americans to go around killing the descendants of the European settlers because they technically claimed the of the Americas before the European settlers even arrived? In what way is this even a logical justification at all? Why should a Russian who has no historical links to that region other than he claims to be from a Jewish family be allowed to move into that region to the expense of a Palestinian? If your great great great great great great great great grandfather abandoned some property that he had made a claim for (and you had the documents to prove it) back in Europe and it turns out that there's a goldmine on it. Who in this world would accept your old document as a justification for you trying to reclaim your property which your family has not tended to for hundreds of years? To top it off, the people who make up the majority of Israel have no relation to the Hebrew Jews who originally inhabited that region, because Judaism is a religion. So you're basing people's rights to land off of religious texts? Have fun working that out.
The problem isn't with Jews having a country, it's with how the violent foundations of the country that conflict with the people who had already been living in that region beforehand. I'm not saying that we should trash all the lives of the people who live in what is currently called Palestine just so the Palestinians can get all the land back. That would just be another wrong adding to the already overwhelming pile of hatred. What I'm saying is that the stealing of land from people was a horrendous atrocity, but it's just something that is played down like it never even mattered and doesn't have any relevancy in the modern day.
I'd also like to point out another strange thing in the point you tried to make. " they needed somewhere to put the Jews" Who is they? Some unseen mystic council of elders that can move entire groups of people by the hundreds of thousands to a certain area of the planet and call it their land? Certainly that isn't what you meant, but how would I know, you were vague to the extreme with this.








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This isn't a factual argument at all, because it forgoes facts to even be an argument. A lot of people would do a lot of horrible things if they were assured they wouldn't face an consequences for it. Guess what? That isn't grounded in Reality at all. The real fact of the matter is. No one wants to mess with Israel. Yeah, they hate Israel to high hell for all the violence they enact on Palestinians, but no one wants to mess with Israel. Israel is the only country in the region that possesses nuclear weapons.
I'd also like to point out that you are saying "Ask a country" How would one as a country? You mean ask the people of a country? That won't always be true. Do you mean ask the leaders of a country? Well, yes I'd assume if you ask the most violent and powerful people in a society if they would do something that they normally couldn't do that would benefit their power then they would probably be very likely to do it.




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Did you ever think that this is a problem that is perpetuated by Israel itself? Because under the terms that most countries use to recognize another country, Israel refuses to take some of these predefined conditions for being a country? (By the standards of the council of other countries, mind you.) One of the requirements for being recognized is to have clearly defined borders. Which Israel refuses to have, because for all the government of Israel is concerned, the entire Middle East belongs to them. (Other countries know this, because that's what people in the ruling parties throughout history have said.)
Israel also abuses human rights in Gaza and the West Bank daily. Through means of blockading humanitarian aid to those suffering in Gaza and the West Bank, as well as creating settlements on stolen land. (Note, there's actually a lot more to this, but that would be awfully messy to get into here in this short post.)








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You seem to believe that governments have full knowledge and accountability for all of their citizens. Groups of individuals can act on their own accordance, can they not? This isn't to say that the governments are never involved in any of these attacks. However this just gets back into the other issues I already mentioned. Treating the people of Palestine badly and threatening to take more land from neighboring countries tends to not be the best ground for breeding security. In fact it creates enemies who are willing to die in order to try and get back at you. It will cause individuals to enact violence upon you. Much like if there was a foreign power occupying Ohio and brutalizing the people there and every day people in Indiana saw the pictures of the people being aggressed against.

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Israel is not useful to the U.S. Any intelligence they provide to the U.S. Is likely to be very altered from reality with the purpose of meeting the standards of the interests of Tel Aviv. Essentially Israel just views the U.S. As a tool for which they can further promote their own agenda at the expense of American lives and soldiers. (Semptember Eleventh was directly related to actions that the Israeli government was taking in Palestine.) I suggest you read this article
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html which is about an attack on a U.S. Intelligence ship by Israel in 1967 to try and get the U.S. Involved in the Six day war (On the side of Israel)
I also suggest you read the works of Ray Mcgovern (Even though he may be a CIA agent) who regularly details conflicts of interest between Israel and America. (and how Israel steals intelligence from us.) He also details how Israel isn't even an official ally of the United States because they don't have clearly defined borders which means we can't form an alliance with them.





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If you want to make someone think twice before messing with you, attacking them generally won't yield the desired results. This gets back to the entire issue of, Violence creates more violence. Being unpredictable and using violence while doing along with saying you plan to acquire more land throughout the entirety of a region in which you stay will not create security with you. The only thing Israel needs for deterrence is nuclear weapons. And they already have that. So going around punching people in the face saying you plan to, with time, acquire their possessions is generally not the best way to guarantee yourself safety.

Governments don't make the world turn, they merely leech off of the success of the people. Otherwise why would all the most wealthy places in the world be non centralized states? But this is another topic entirely.

It's sort of funny how backwards your thinking is though. You say the Israeli government needs to be harsh or else a slaughter would ensue? Did you ever stop to think that their harsh actions are the source of the resentment that makes Israel so despised? Doesn't it seem more reasonable that people would be more bothered by the fact that Israel is a state enacting violence against the Palestinians and that this same state also says that they plan to extend their reach throughout the Middle East? After all, their country is already on stolen land where they're already brutalizing the people who have lived there for centuries. So doesn't it seem very logical when most Middle Easterners feel threatened, and take very serious offense when they see the people of Palestine being harassed and beaten by the IDF? Considering it is the same people who claim they will expand into their land eventually as well. These types of actions aren't good for the people of Israel, it only makes more people want to do harm to them because... they're doing harm to others. Taking action that's guaranteed to make enemies isn't exactly the best way to ensure the safety of anyone.

Actually you're wrong, I support neither. What I support is people. It's not the average Israeli that suppresses the Palestinians, it's the IDF soldiers who are just following orders.

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Yes, I'm quite well read on that. But the problem still exists that the U.S. continues to occupy the middle east through multiple wars and supports Israel who abuse the Palestinians.
I'd also like to note the saddest element of the entire wars. Not even our highest ranking commanding officers have any idea who is who in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran.